Kiwiair727tpa From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 33 posts, RR: 0 Posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2934 times:
Anybody know what happend to there fleet. are any still in service? and does anyone know the complete story of why Kiwi Went under i heard several versions and would like to know the REAL version. I flew them on my first flight between TPA and MDW. they are my favorite airline. its to bad no one makes them in 1:400 Scale or a desktop model.
Matt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 50 Reply 1, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2901 times:
Well to be perfectly honest, I'm not sure if anyone here really knows the "full" story. But here is what I can tell you:
KIWI was formed in 1992 by a group of ex Pan Am and Eastern folks. They chose the name Kiwi to represent giving a flightless bird the ability to fly (Pan Am/Eastern just shut down...."flightless". Get it?).
KIWI was never much of a profit making airline. They never really seemed to have much direction or ambition (remember who the people running them came from). I remember they even hatched a plan to acquire about a dozen hushkitted BAC-111's to expand. That plan never came through.
Finally, the FAA caught up with them and yanked their operating certs due to repeated maintennance and records violations and were liquidated. I would imagine that most of the fleet was put into storage and/or cut up.
There is (or at least once was) a 1:200 scale 727 model made of KIWI by some Australian outfit. The name escapes me at the moment, but it was made. I have two of those models.
Srbmod From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 17288 posts, RR: 51 Reply 4, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 2800 times:
I remember they even hatched a plan to acquire about a dozen hushkitted BAC-111's to expand.
Actually they were interested in the Airstar 2500, which was to have been a RR Tay 650 powered updated version of the BAC/Rombac 1-11 and was to have been built in Romania. It never made it past the blueprint stage. Another airline that was rumored to be looking at it around that same time period was Valujet.
LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12680 posts, RR: 13 Reply 7, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 2629 times:
Kiwi (US version) was based at EWR, and we in New Jersey were damm proud of that! They operated from about 1992 to 1998?. Their main service was with hub at EWR and serving Florida (mainly PBI, FLL, TPA, Orlando), SJU and MDW. I believe they started off with 2 - 727 beaters with many hours on them, and later had a couple more 727's and some leased 757's. A number of the pilots and f/a's like the founding execs were ex-PA and Eastern. There were knida like JetBlue, Frontier today, offering one-class service, better food and seating than majors. Strictly an LLC in pricing, they were also hurt by price cutting by majors, especially on the Florida, SJU routes at off-peak days and times of year. MattD is correct that it was maintenance issues with the FAA that brought them down in the end. Most of their planes were grounded at one point, they got back in the air for a short while, with fewer flights and a/c, were under very strict watch by the FAA, then got into maintenance problems again, then died. It is interesting that at the same time of the USA Kiwi was an New Zealand one. In fact it created numerous problems and confusion in the airline/aircraft business when the USA one went bankrupt, and probably also hurt the NZ one.
Kiwiair727tpa From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 33 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 2404 times:
thanks for all the input. I flew several times the TPA-MDW route as an unescorted minor, i wish KIWI stil existed. I guess people did make models of the airline. i am still unfortanate to come across one, since it was my first airline i ever flew (and by myself at age 12)
Gr8slvrflt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1587 posts, RR: 11 Reply 17, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2122 times:
I was a travel agent on the Arthur Andersen account at the time and always pushed Kiwi between ATL and MCO & TPA. I gave the client the choice between more legroom, a full-meal, better schedule and a lower fare on Kiwi or the center seat in the back of a Delta L-1011 full of screaming kids, no meal, less convenient time and triple the fare and they always picked Delta! "I want my Skymiles!" Well now Kiwi is gone, Arthur Andersen is gone and Delta is struggling. This is why I thought frequent flyer programs should have been outlawed because they stifled competition by creating an uneven playing field. Oh well.
Lindy field From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 3087 posts, RR: 15 Reply 18, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2110 times:
After seeing this thread, I added the cn to most of the Kiwi International photos in the database yesterday. A number of the planes did see service with other airlines after their tenure with Kiwi ended. More than one ended up with Capital Air Cargo and some others went to Express One. Have a look at the photos in the database again and click the hyperlinked cn numbers in the photo information.
Scootertrash From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 569 posts, RR: 9 Reply 20, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 2005 times:
You didn't happen to work the gates at MCO at all for KP, did you? There was a Steve I chatted up several times while I worked there briefly in 1996. He was a good guy and I always wondered what happened to him...
Matt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 50 Reply 21, posted (9 years 9 months 3 weeks 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 1946 times:
Steve: I'll sell one to you. But because I'm going to be moving this week, I won't really have time to send it out for probably a couple of weeks-once I get settled in and buy a new PC, we can make the arrangements. Plus, they are already boxed up for the move. So check back in the middle of March or so, maybe with a new KIWI topic of some kind and when I see it, I'll cue you to contact me.
JFKviaPHX From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 194 posts, RR: 0 Reply 23, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1773 times:
I remember flying them with my school group in 1994. We flew from EWR to MCO. I'd have to say I really enjoyed the flight and the staff was great. Before that I only flew UA and AA and I liked Kiwi more. Ohh well.