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User currently offlineKiwiair727tpa From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 33 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 6 months 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3321 times:

Anybody know what happend to there fleet. are any still in service? and does anyone know the complete story of why Kiwi Went under i heard several versions and would like to know the REAL version. I flew them on my first flight between TPA and MDW. they are my favorite airline. its to bad no one makes them in 1:400 Scale or a desktop model.


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User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 1, posted (10 years 6 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3288 times:

Well to be perfectly honest, I'm not sure if anyone here really knows the "full" story. But here is what I can tell you:

KIWI was formed in 1992 by a group of ex Pan Am and Eastern folks. They chose the name Kiwi to represent giving a flightless bird the ability to fly (Pan Am/Eastern just shut down...."flightless". Get it?).

KIWI was never much of a profit making airline. They never really seemed to have much direction or ambition (remember who the people running them came from). I remember they even hatched a plan to acquire about a dozen hushkitted BAC-111's to expand. That plan never came through.

Finally, the FAA caught up with them and yanked their operating certs due to repeated maintennance and records violations and were liquidated. I would imagine that most of the fleet was put into storage and/or cut up.

There is (or at least once was) a 1:200 scale 727 model made of KIWI by some Australian outfit. The name escapes me at the moment, but it was made. I have two of those models.

[Edited 2004-02-21 16:31:57]

User currently offlineFlynavy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 6 months 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3259 times:

Kiwi was the airline I flew on my first commercial plane ride, ATL-MCO. It was on a 727-200. I remember the cabin being all economy, and all-leather. It was years ago, now.

User currently offlineRj777 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 1799 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (10 years 6 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3218 times:

According to Jay Leno:

"I can't imagine why Kiwi isn't doing well. You think it's the name? You name your airline after a bird that can't fly? What's that. You just run down the runway?!"


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 6 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3187 times:

I remember they even hatched a plan to acquire about a dozen hushkitted BAC-111's to expand.

Actually they were interested in the Airstar 2500, which was to have been a RR Tay 650 powered updated version of the BAC/Rombac 1-11 and was to have been built in Romania. It never made it past the blueprint stage. Another airline that was rumored to be looking at it around that same time period was Valujet.


User currently offlineB757capt From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1374 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 6 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3071 times:

One or two of the 727's went to ATA I saw the n numbers before.

Does anyone remember the full meals you got. The mdw-atl and mdw-LGa routes were my fav!



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User currently offlineMotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3181 posts, RR: 9
Reply 6, posted (10 years 6 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3042 times:

It's funny because in New Zealand we had our first attempt at a leisure carrier called Kiwi Air. This too was named after our national bird, the flightless Kiwi.


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It obviously does not portend well to name your carrier after a bird that's lost its ability to soar. Kiwi Air also was grounded.


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User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13073 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (10 years 6 months 3 days 8 hours ago) and read 3016 times:

Kiwi (US version) was based at EWR, and we in New Jersey were damm proud of that! They operated from about 1992 to 1998?. Their main service was with hub at EWR and serving Florida (mainly PBI, FLL, TPA, Orlando), SJU and MDW. I believe they started off with 2 - 727 beaters with many hours on them, and later had a couple more 727's and some leased 757's. A number of the pilots and f/a's like the founding execs were ex-PA and Eastern. There were knida like JetBlue, Frontier today, offering one-class service, better food and seating than majors. Strictly an LLC in pricing, they were also hurt by price cutting by majors, especially on the Florida, SJU routes at off-peak days and times of year. MattD is correct that it was maintenance issues with the FAA that brought them down in the end. Most of their planes were grounded at one point, they got back in the air for a short while, with fewer flights and a/c, were under very strict watch by the FAA, then got into maintenance problems again, then died. It is interesting that at the same time of the USA Kiwi was an New Zealand one. In fact it created numerous problems and confusion in the airline/aircraft business when the USA one went bankrupt, and probably also hurt the NZ one.

User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 8, posted (10 years 6 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2973 times:

I apologize for the super crappy resolution. But hey, the "camera" came free with the phone.

Here are a couple of shots of the 1:200 scale KIWI model to prove that it does indeed exist.




User currently offlineWedgetail737 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5893 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (10 years 6 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2948 times:
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I have a coffee cup from Kiwi. I flew Kiwi in the early to mid 1990's from MCO-ATL-MCO on a picture taking trip and another from EWR to MCO after visiting a friend in NY.

User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 10, posted (10 years 6 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2930 times:

KIWI (the EWR one) never operated 757's.

In addition to the cities listed, they also served at various times LAS, ATL,
User currently offlineAirT85 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 6 months 3 days 7 hours ago) and read 2913 times:

Kiwi did indeed serve Boston. At their height they flew 15 B-727s. Atlanta was a large focus city for them at one point, but ValuJet always had the upper hand in ATL.

-Tony


User currently offlineKiwiair727tpa From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 33 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2791 times:

thanks for all the input. I flew several times the TPA-MDW route as an unescorted minor, i wish KIWI stil existed. I guess people did make models of the airline. i am still unfortanate to come across one, since it was my first airline i ever flew (and by myself at age 12)

User currently offlineScootertrash From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 569 posts, RR: 9
Reply 13, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 2734 times:

I know at least one of the airplanes is flying with Capital Air Cargo... I recognized it on the cargo ramp in CLT... I want to say it was N357KP. I am too lazy to check the database (yawn).

Scooter


User currently offlineFreshlove1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 6 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2663 times:

Didn't they also fly the 737 at one point? I have a OAG from back in the day here and it says that they flew from FLL to NAS 3 times a day using the 737

User currently offlineScootertrash From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 569 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (10 years 6 months 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 2591 times:

Kiwi never had 737s, but I seem to remember they contracted some over capacity flying out to Ryan International toward the end of their operations. That may explain the 737 entry in the OAG.

Scooter


User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 16, posted (10 years 6 months 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 2548 times:

Try looking on Ebay. Or even here. You might come across one of the models. If not, and you really, REALLY want one, like I said, I have two of them. I might be willing to sell you one.

User currently offlineGr8slvrflt From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1602 posts, RR: 10
Reply 17, posted (10 years 6 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2509 times:

I was a travel agent on the Arthur Andersen account at the time and always pushed Kiwi between ATL and MCO & TPA. I gave the client the choice between more legroom, a full-meal, better schedule and a lower fare on Kiwi or the center seat in the back of a Delta L-1011 full of screaming kids, no meal, less convenient time and triple the fare and they always picked Delta! "I want my Skymiles!" Well now Kiwi is gone, Arthur Andersen is gone and Delta is struggling. This is why I thought frequent flyer programs should have been outlawed because they stifled competition by creating an uneven playing field. Oh well.

User currently offlineLindy field From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 3116 posts, RR: 14
Reply 18, posted (10 years 6 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 2497 times:
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After seeing this thread, I added the cn to most of the Kiwi International photos in the database yesterday. A number of the planes did see service with other airlines after their tenure with Kiwi ended. More than one ended up with Capital Air Cargo and some others went to Express One. Have a look at the photos in the database again and click the hyperlinked cn numbers in the photo information.

User currently offlineKiwiair727tpa From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 33 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (10 years 6 months 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 2417 times:

matt d

i look every day on ebay. if you would sell one that would be awesome. you'd be a friend for life

steve in TPA


User currently offlineScootertrash From United States of America, joined Aug 2001, 569 posts, RR: 9
Reply 20, posted (10 years 6 months 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2392 times:

Steve;

You didn't happen to work the gates at MCO at all for KP, did you? There was a Steve I chatted up several times while I worked there briefly in 1996. He was a good guy and I always wondered what happened to him...

Scooter


User currently offlineMatt D From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 9502 posts, RR: 47
Reply 21, posted (10 years 6 months 21 hours ago) and read 2333 times:

Steve: I'll sell one to you. But because I'm going to be moving this week, I won't really have time to send it out for probably a couple of weeks-once I get settled in and buy a new PC, we can make the arrangements. Plus, they are already boxed up for the move. So check back in the middle of March or so, maybe with a new KIWI topic of some kind and when I see it, I'll cue you to contact me.

User currently offlineKiwiair727tpa From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 33 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 2247 times:

Ok matt, I appreciate it good luck on the move. you can contact me at navypiper69@hotmail.com

Scooter

sorry Never worked for them. I wish though

Steve


User currently offlineJFKviaPHX From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 194 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 2160 times:

I remember flying them with my school group in 1994. We flew from EWR to MCO. I'd have to say I really enjoyed the flight and the staff was great. Before that I only flew UA and AA and I liked Kiwi more. Ohh well.

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