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Lufthansa Cargo 747 D-ABYZ A Total Loss?  
User currently offlineSetjet From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1119 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 24193 times:

I just found this picture of Lufthansa Cargo's 747 D-ABYZ with serious hull damage due to some sort of maintenance mishap. Descritption says that the airplane will be written off.



Any more details on the mishap?

The aircraft in better days:


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User currently onlinePW100 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2002, 2456 posts, RR: 12
Reply 1, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 23951 times:

Yeah, saw those photo's yesterday. There are more, but I can not post them.
Apparently the aircraft was being lowered from its jacks, but they "forgot" to remove the tail support/jack.
I would assume that its Beyond Economical Repair [BER].

Quite appropriate, the Cargo WOW markings . . . .

PW100



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User currently offlineAV8AJET From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1344 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 23840 times:

Ouch what a mistake!!! Sad loss of another great B747! I hope LH Cargo ends up getting some 744F's in the future.


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User currently offlineBookin From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 23523 times:

The WOW mistake.

If this were a 744F therwould ther have been any attempt at a repair?




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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29795 posts, RR: 58
Reply 4, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 23273 times:

Yeah, that WOW sticker seems strangely appropriate.


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User currently offlineBookin From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 23203 times:

WOW!

How the $#*@! did they besome so stupid! What's the german word for moron??

Does anyone know if LH is planing on purchaisn a replacement? There are a lot of 742 & 743 sitting in the dessert just waiting to be converted!




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User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4693 posts, RR: 42
Reply 6, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 23101 times:

Bookin,
The LCAG is currently performing a fleet rollover, which will see the B742 fleet being flagged out to Air Atlanta Icelandic by next year. They will be operated on behalf of LH until 2006, when the standardization with MD-11's is complete. LCAG will have 19 MD-11 freighters by 2006.
So no, there will be no replacement by another B742 freighter.Except for maybe an interim lease.



Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
User currently offlineBookin From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 22957 times:


Why would LH do such a thin?

The 747 has more capacity, more range, etc.

MD-11's do only need 2 crewmembers. But why the change??
Were they going to get rid of beautiful D-ABYZ before the WOW incident??



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User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4693 posts, RR: 42
Reply 8, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 22940 times:

Well, it is all a matter of supply and demand. Since 2001, LCAG has experienced a strong decline of demand for cargo services. With many cheaper competitors around, their strategy is to focus on more profitable freight segments with lesser volume but higher yields.



Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
User currently offline9V-SPF From Germany, joined Sep 2001, 1375 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 22862 times:

The 747 has more capacity, more range, etc

According to LH´s website (see below), the MD-11F has a greater range than the 747-200F.

http://konzern.lufthansa.com/en/html/ueber_uns/flotte/index.html

Daniel


User currently offlineBookin From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 22824 times:

According to LH´s website (see below), the MD-11F has a greater range than the 747-200F.

Only when fully loaded

If you load a 742F with the same load as an MD-11, the 747 would still have greater range.

At max payload the 747 would have less range than the MD-11, but this max payload is way over the MD's.



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User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4693 posts, RR: 42
Reply 11, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 22775 times:

The max payload of the B742 is only 7 metric tons above the one of the MD-11F.



Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
User currently offlinePaulianer From Germany, joined Jul 2002, 875 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 22722 times:

Here are some more pics:









Greetings
Tobi

[Edited 2004-02-22 13:39:18]


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User currently offlineBookin From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 22685 times:

Thanx Tobi!

WOW AGAIN!

Any picture from the interior deck??



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User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4693 posts, RR: 42
Reply 14, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 22668 times:

Funny thing, but it is possible that this B742 will be worth more now when LH dismantles it and sells all useable parts than it would have been if it was sold as an entire aircraft if the accident would not have happened.




Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
User currently offlineSetjet From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 22614 times:

Well, if this would be true than it would make more sense to dismantle B747s than to fly them.

Just think about it:
Lufthansa could stop flying and start to dismantle all their planes and make big bucks!

One thing you are forgetting is labour cost, I think.


User currently offlineBookin From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 22584 times:

SetJet is right

Mechanics especially A&P's are expensive to feed!



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User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4693 posts, RR: 42
Reply 17, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 22575 times:

Setjet,

Granted this is just a thought. But haven't we seen a bunch of relatively youthful aircraft (e.g. some US B734's) being dismantled recently, because they were worth more as spare parts than as complete planes?

D-ABYZ was mfd in 1986 and is therefore 18 years old by now. Considering that LH is using their long haul equipment quite heavily, it will already have a lot of hours and cycles on the clock.

IMO one of the few points speaking against this idea is that LH's reputation for perfect maintenance also equates in a higher resale value of their aircraft. Also, freighters are probably more in demand right now than passenger aircraft.

You see, it is just a theory. I don't want to let it sound like it will certainly be like I said.  Smile


[Edited 2004-02-22 13:58:19]


Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
User currently offlineBookin From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 22556 times:

"TriStar500 said,
LH's reputation for perfect maintenance also equates in a higher resale value of their aircraft."
Not any more!!!!

Reputation for perfect stupidity in maintenance more likely.

D-ABYZ was in for maintenance on the stands and instead it looks got folded!
How good of a maintenance is that??






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User currently offlineSetjet From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 22497 times:

I guess the point is to let the dismantling be done by a specialist like Evergreen in Tucson. They have cheaper labour costs and know how to rip a B747 apart.

Germany might just be too expensive for this, especially if you have to use highly paid Lufthansa Technik specialist which are trained to fix airplanes, not take them apart.

Interesting question would be if this B747 could be flown at a lower altitude (FL100) unpressurised to a better specialist, granted that you would reinforce the structure of the hull before that flight.


User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4693 posts, RR: 42
Reply 20, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 22495 times:

Bookin,

Yeah well, the entire operation is unprofessional because of a handful of morons, who screw up big time once?  Yeah sure

Maybe if we should start another thread about the worst maintenance screwups, you'd be surprised how many reputable airlines managed to burn down and cripple perfectly good airframes during maintenance. It could become actually quite a funny thread!  Smile



[Edited 2004-02-22 14:07:40]


Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
User currently offlineSetjet From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 22458 times:

Would be a funny thread indeed!

TriStar500, you want to start it?


User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4693 posts, RR: 42
Reply 22, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 22443 times:

Nah, you go ahead.  Smile



Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
User currently offlineBookin From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 75 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 22426 times:

Can anyone tell me when the last 747 was totalled during routine everyday Mx??

I can't remember the last 747 to be totalled during MX, of course there's the Saudi 747 that taxied into a ditch, but that doesn't really count.




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User currently offlineSetjet From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 1119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 22408 times:

I am just about to start a different thread, should also be quite entertaining!  Big grin


25 GodBless : Reputation for perfect stupidity in maintenance more likely. Even they are not perfect... I guess taking your statement I can say that you have a repu
26 Bookin : No, I don't break many things at all. I fly them! And never have broken one , yet! Of course, to be human is to make mistakes! But a $$40+ million mis
27 Post contains links Setjet : Talking about human mistakes. I just started a new thread that might become entertaining: http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.m
28 N754pr : Has anyone confirmed a jack was left in place when they lowered the aircraft?
29 RareBear : If you look at the photos, the tail jack is still there.
30 Delboy : Setjet Trust me, this aircraft will NEVER fly again, not at 10,000 ft, not unpressurised, not ever. I'm amazed anyone would even ask this question!!!
31 Post contains images Setjet : Sorry for asking... An Air Namibia 747 was damaged by a loader in LHR a couple of years ago, the fuselage was punctured in the lower half, nevertheles
32 Spacepope : The airframe only had 80,000 hours on it, It could still have gone another 35,000 easily. The plane probably is worth more as parts now, especially wi
33 Buslover : Hey folks, cool it! Nobody made a mistake, it looks like the hydraulic equipment had a problem while jacking up the airplane. It will be fixed and ret
34 Spacepope : Just a question of statistics: When an airframe pressure hull has this sort of traumatic damage and is repaired, what is the likelyhood of a catastrop
35 Delboy : Hi Buslover I doubt it very much, it's one thing to repair punctured fuselages but this is major, major structural damage. YZ will not fly again.
36 Sk : An employee told me, that the aircraft is going to be repaired an will be in the air within some weeks again. We will see what's right or not.
37 Airlinelover : It looks to me like there was a rope or something around the top of that portion of the aircraft, and somehow it was pulled down a lot further then se
38 Delboy : Sk If your information is correct, I'll be so shocked. From the pictures, the damage looks terminal. Maybe YZ will fly again!!
39 MD11Engineer : Don´t rule out the possibility of LH Technik to repair the plane. For one, the plane is already in a facility equiped to repair heavy damage. The tri
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