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Air France And A340-600.Why Not?  
User currently offlineAnxebla From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6836 times:

Why do AF buy the B777-300?
Really do they a new plane into his fleet?With a great fleet for long-haul flights (A-330/340,B-747/772) and being a next customer of A-380...is there need for a new type in AF's fleet?I can't understand it.
If so...why didn't choose A340-600?
BTW...How many US-carriers have "wides" Airbus with the exception of US Airways?


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User currently offlineThaigold From Australia, joined Sep 2003, 315 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6794 times:

BTW...How many US-carriers have "wides" Airbus with the exception of US Airways?

NW's got a few 330's and will probably get quite a few more widebody from Airbus when they eventually start to retire 747's...



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User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4511 posts, RR: 53
Reply 2, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6792 times:

American and Northwest spring to mind.

AA: A300
NW: A330

old Pan Am: A310s

and then those were transferred to DL who are no longer flying them.



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User currently offlineUTA_FLYINGHIGH From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 50
Reply 3, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6784 times:

NW also flies the A330, AA flies the A300 and Hooters Air recently ordered the A340-600.
AF refuses to go all-Airbus or all-Boeing, preferring not to put their eggs in the same basket.
This way thet have a negotiating edge when purchasing new aircraft, also, if a problem arises with either one of the manufacturers and aircraft are grounder, they are less affected than if they were running an all-A or B fleet.

UTA



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User currently offlineMir From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 21571 posts, RR: 55
Reply 4, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 6766 times:

BTW...How many US-carriers have "wides" Airbus with the exception of US Airways?

American has A300-600s for caribbean routes
Northwest has A330-300s, and will be getting -200s soon.

I'm not entirely sure why AF decided to go with the 777-300ER, but I think it has something to do with replacing their 744s, which are getting kind of old. I guess the plan is to reduce capacity on some 744 routes with the 773ER, and increase capacity on others with the 380. As for why it wasn't the 346, I think it was mostly because they were happy with how their 772s were doing. It also might have had something to do with the 346s being powered solely by Rolls-Royce. AF has always had something for GE.

They are adding a new type, but at least it can be flown by the 772 pilots, and maintenance will probably be close to the 772s. It's not like before when AF had the 742,744,310,767 and 340, with each having its own pilot group and maintenance. Now they'll have the 332, 343, 772,773, 744 and 380. That's four pilot groups, but it'll go down to three when the 744s are gone.



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User currently offlineAnxebla From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 6720 times:

Sorry!
My 2º question is...Really do they NEED a new plane into his fleet?I think,the right answer is not at all.


User currently offlinePaddy From Taiwan, joined Jul 2003, 390 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 6699 times:

Hooters Air recently ordered the A340-600.

 Wow!




User currently offlineUTA_FLYINGHIGH From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 6495 posts, RR: 50
Reply 7, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 6691 times:

The 773 is replacing the 747 Classics in AF's fleet, not the 744's.
BTW, took 2 posts to notice the Hooters Air thingy  Smile

UTA



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User currently offlineAnxebla From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 6651 times:

UTA:
Yes,I know AA flies A300 (I did a journey SDQ-MIA ten years ago) But, my question is nowdays, not in 1990.Your are right....I've forgotten to mention NW.


User currently offlineHoons90 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 3011 posts, RR: 52
Reply 9, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 6647 times:
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Could it be also because of engine commonality? AF mostly uses GE engines, and the A346 is RR.. Maybe AF wants engine commonality with it's existing 772ERs ?


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User currently offlineAnxebla From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 6616 times:

Only RR for the A-346? and what about CFM??

User currently offlineHoons90 From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 3011 posts, RR: 52
Reply 11, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 6569 times:
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Only available engines for the A340-500 and 600 are Rolls Royce Trent 500s.
CFM-56 engines are on A340-200 and 300.



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User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4774 posts, RR: 43
Reply 12, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 6511 times:

When did Hooters Air order the A 340-600???

User currently offlineND From Belgium, joined Feb 2004, 280 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 6468 times:

My reaction is just the same as everybody else's about the Hooters A346... my jaw dropped...

How will the F/A's dress?



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User currently offlineDeltaMD11 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 1701 posts, RR: 34
Reply 14, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 6367 times:

ND,
I'd prefer if the Hooters' gals didn't even bother to dress. In a world where everything is about cost savings/effectiveness, all Hooters would have to do is set them up with some tassles and they're all set Big grin

In response to the question of the poster---the 772 has been a huge success for AF. With the 773ER, they're going to have that same great aircraft that the 772 is, except it's going to be able to carry more people and cargo---and go further. As a few people mentioned above, I think that the engine choices had a lot to do with this. Why add another engine type to the fleet which will be an oddball when they can stick with the GE's? You still have parts/crew commonality on the 773 as you do the 772. I don't think the question should be about WHY they added them to the fleet, I think that should be WHY NOT?

Just my $.02



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User currently offlineWarren747sp From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 6193 times:

they put the 777-200 on premium routes and the A340 on secondary routes.
most premium passengers prefer the former anyway?



747SP
User currently offlineStefandotde From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 6160 times:

Warren, could you please explain what you mean? lol

User currently offlineSafetyDude From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 3795 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 6147 times:

I'm more curious why they have both the 777 and 340...perhaps they are trying to solve Airbus v. Boeing once and for all? (No side taken.)

 Smile
-Will



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User currently offlineWarren747sp From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1160 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 hours ago) and read 6108 times:

AF flies 777 CDG to JFK and A340 CDG to EWR. Given to chocie I would suspect most busienss traveler would take the 777 becasue it gets to your destination faster in a wider plane.
777 used on high yield premium routs and A340 used on thin routes which is a commom strategy.



747SP
User currently offlineLalone From Spain, joined Jan 2004, 45 posts, RR: 1
Reply 19, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 hours ago) and read 6012 times:

AF is very well managed, and its fleet purchase decicisons are made on technical aspects and not political. Unlike IB they have decided to purchase the best product depending on their needs, so they will stick to Airbus for the short/ medium range (A320 family). On the long haul they have decided to buy from both mnf (wise decision). The A340 was mainly a political compromise (they had to buy something from Airbus) but they clearly favour the 777 on heavy routes, as well as the 7474. Now they are adding A330. Here´s a link for you guys with an excellent coment on AF fleet. www.airtransportbiz.com. I am sorry Anxebla the 777 is outselling the A340....don´t ever ride in a 777, you won´t find the french plastic that you like so much

User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8005 posts, RR: 5
Reply 20, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 5946 times:

I think there were two reasons why AF bought the 777-200ER first and now the 777-300ER: 1) they offered more space for premium class seating and 2) the planes used GE90 engines, which are 50% assembled by SNECMA (France's primary jet engine company). Indeed, that's the reason why AF's A380-800's will be powered by Engine Alliance GP7270 engines.  Smile

User currently offlineBWIA 772 From Barbados, joined May 2002, 2200 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks ago) and read 5828 times:

even the french realise the 777 is the better aircraft

Yes about the hooters thing where will they fly with teh 346??



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User currently offline767-332ER From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2030 posts, RR: 10
Reply 22, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks ago) and read 5789 times:


Hooters Air will fly their A340-600's from ATL-Myrtle Beach...hehe

Anyways, about IB buying from both manufacturers, well...Airbus seems to be the only manufacturer they are purchasing a/c from and that's all folks.

Regards



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User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17450 posts, RR: 46
Reply 23, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks ago) and read 5774 times:

Hooters and the 346????

Can you all say gullible????



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User currently offlineFLYSSC From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 7411 posts, RR: 57
Reply 24, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks ago) and read 5705 times:

AF bought the 777-300ER because it's the best plane for its network !!! And AF is already very very happy with the B772ER.

The B773ER will replace the B744, while the B744 will replace the remaining B742 & B743.

The B744, A343, A332 are now being reconfigured in a 2 class layout only : Business and Economy, while the B772ER and B773ER will remain configured with 3 Classes First/Business/Economy. AF is currently operating 25 B772ER and will operate 16 B773ER, this plane family becoming AF's workhorse, on its "Golden routes".

AF is currently operating 22 A343 and 13 A332.

In a medium term, AF plans to get rid of its A343 and order more A332 & B772ER to to operate a long-haul fleet of : A380 / A332 & B744 / B772ER / B773ER


PS : The A380 will also be configured with First/Business/Economy.


25 Rjpieces : AF loves their 777-200ERs while the A343s were a political compromise, not that they were bad for AF as AF found a great balance between aircraft sele
26 AirxLiban : personally i am a little bit sad that the 773ER will be replacing the 744. Not from a technical standpoint, the 773ER of course has the merit but ther
27 Rjpieces : I don't think AFs 747s are going anywhere anyime soon.....
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