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BAA Expects LHR To Get Plenty Of A380 Flight  
User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7370 posts, RR: 14
Posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5588 times:
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Reported in today's Daily Telegraph at the end of an article about the new RR Trent engine for the A380 was a one-line snippet that LHR is expecting 160 A380 flights per day by 2016 (which undoubtedly means 90 aircraft).

Anyone else think that this figure means that they are anticipating BA to order some as well?

David

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User currently offlineCHRISBA777ER From UK - England, joined Mar 2001, 5964 posts, RR: 62
Reply 1, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 5491 times:

Thai, Emirates, Malaysian, Virgin, Singapore, Qatar, Qantas, Korean, and probably Cathay Pacific to use them on the dailies - i'd say that equates to 30 aircraft per day - so yes i'd say they were looking at BA getting some. Even then, i doubt they will get 90 aircraft a day - they dont get that in 777's today - and the A380, wonderful as it is, wont be as numerous as that aircraft, for obvious reasons.

Have to assume that ANA, JAL, BA, EL-AL, Sri Lankan, Asiana, Air India, and possibly Air Canada and Eva Air of the existing long-haul operators out of LHR will buy them eventually, if they meet spec. But we are talking decades here.



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User currently offlineGBOAF From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 156 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5391 times:

At the moment, there seems little sign of prepatation work to accomodate the A380 at LHR.

Apart from the development work in Terminal 3 at the moment.. i.e. the demolition and re-building of the old Hotel/Juliet pier, you have to wonder where they will find enough stands to put a/c on!



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User currently offlineMhodgson From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2002, 5047 posts, RR: 25
Reply 3, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5336 times:

When passing through LHR on Friday evening, I did see work on a few taxiways - though whether this was A380 relevant or just general maintenance I don't know.


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User currently offlinePW100 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2002, 2434 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5313 times:

. . . LHR is expecting 160 A380 flights per day by 2016 (which undoubtedly means 90 aircraft) . . .
Uhm, 80 aircraft perhaps?


At the moment, there seems little sign of prepatation work to accomodate the A380 at LHR . . .

Look out of the blue . . . it's called Terminal 5, and its the largest airport construction site ever on British soil.

How many daily 747 flights does LHR has at the moment, how will that translate into 2016 [will there be another SE runway except at STN???].
Althoug 80 may seem a lot, if [log-haul] traffic continues to grow at 3-5% pace per year until 2016, 80 may be a bit on the low side if there is no additional runway at LHR or LGW.


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User currently offlineGBOAF From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 156 posts, RR: 3
Reply 5, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5278 times:

PW100......

Sorry mate, but Terminal 5 is planned exclusively for BA use.....

BA have no plans fot the A380!!!!!



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User currently offlineDavid_itl From United Kingdom, joined Jun 2001, 7370 posts, RR: 14
Reply 6, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5224 times:
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Beg my pardon for the poor maths - my brain wasn't quite functioning properly after reading how many flights are anticipated.

If push comes to shove and LHR is opened up for US airlines and they have to relinquish slots, then I daresay that BA will consider them (especially if no extra LHR runway is built).

David


User currently offlineJsnww81 From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2026 posts, RR: 15
Reply 7, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5165 times:

I'm sure BAA have big plans to renovate T1, T2 and T3 to accommodate the A380. In fact, they've probably devised a three-part plan:

They'll start by demolishing all the boarding lounges and replacing them with more World Duty Free shops, Bally of Switzerland boutiques and Pret A Manger outlets.

Then they'll find the one remaining window at LHR that looks out on the apron and put a Sunglass Hut in front of it.

Finally, any remaining wall space will be covered up with the HSBC logo.

Then - and only then - will BAA dust off their hands and declare LHR "ready for the A380."  Smile



User currently offlineLeezyjet From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 4041 posts, RR: 53
Reply 8, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5089 times:

There are already about 4-6 stands that are A380 compatible in T3 and that work Mhodgson spoke about was more than likely due to the A380 too as they have already begun work on strengthening/widening the taxiways on some parts of the airfield. One stand even has A380 dual level jetties already !!.

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User currently offlineThrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2688 posts, RR: 10
Reply 9, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4968 times:

I would definently expect NRT and HKG to also have a strong A380 presence.


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User currently offlineSydscott From Australia, joined Oct 2003, 2972 posts, RR: 20
Reply 10, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 4870 times:


"Sorry mate, but Terminal 5 is planned exclusively for BA use"

I thought QF would continue to share the BA terminal at LHR when the move to T5 happens. If thats the case then T5 will definitely have A380 action from Qantas.


User currently offlineRichard28 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 1616 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4772 times:

As Leezyjet says, LHR has already commenced A380 renovations to taxi-ways - so yes they are putting money where thir mouth is.

Will be interesting to see whether BA opt for the A380 in the future.


User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4905 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4645 times:

Hmmm, have we taken into account that a large number carriers would operate the A380 into LHR based on one reason and ONE REASON ONLY!!!!

SLOT RESTRICTIONS!!!

Cheers  Smile/happy/getting dizzy



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User currently offlineThrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2688 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (10 years 6 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4570 times:

Is it possible that maybe Lufthansa would consider purchasing the A380? What about Iberia, or Air Canada? Air France? Alitalia?


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User currently offlineEK413 From Australia, joined Nov 2003, 4905 posts, RR: 4
Reply 14, posted (10 years 6 months 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 4515 times:

Thrust

Is it possible that maybe Lufthansa would consider purchasing the A380?

Umm,I think Lufthansa already placed an Order for the A380!  Wink/being sarcastic





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User currently offlineMotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3186 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (10 years 6 months 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 4440 times:

It's probable that NZ will upgrade their daily 744 from AKL via LAX to the A380. They'd need three to do this plus two for the daily non-stop to NRT. We're talking before 2016, but 2010 would be the earliest I'd have thought.


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User currently offlineAerorobnz From Rwanda, joined Feb 2001, 7184 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (10 years 6 months 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4405 times:

Considering that SQ I believe has a 4th daily flight into LHR being negotiated it seems probable that if they continue they will progress to A380s eventually. I don't know about 160 flights. I would suggest probably more like 160 movements per day would be more in order. I think NRT will have more daily by that time though.

User currently offlineRayChuang From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 8002 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (10 years 6 months 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4277 times:

Folks,

I think in the end, LHR's Terminal 5 will get a good amount of A380-800 operations. I believe that T5 will become the main OneWorld international terminal at LHR, and that means we'll see QF A388's and possibly CX A388's (leased through ILFC) operating in and out of this new terminal. I wouldn't be surprised that within the next year or so we'll see a number of Terminal 4 gates rebuilt with dual-level air bridges so they could accommodate SQ, EK and VS A388's starting in 2006.


User currently offlineGLA MD11 From France, joined Mar 2000, 277 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 6 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4217 times:

AF also has ordered the A380

User currently offlineUshermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2965 posts, RR: 16
Reply 19, posted (10 years 6 months 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4170 times:

I can see some of the AF's A380s operating CDG-AMS-LHR...
 Smile/happy/getting dizzy

For real, if there is no change in the slot politics at LHR it will be inevitable to see A LOT of A380s there. Which I think is good.



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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 6 months 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 4139 times:

Jsnnw81 - you read my mind ! You missed a step.

In order to "improve customer service" BAA will remove any double jetways remaining on T3 gates and reduce the amount of air conditioning as well - that way, so many people waiting in line to board their A380's will die of suffocation or damp-induce pneumonia before reaching the jetway, that the aircraft will be able to depart on time.


User currently offlinePW100 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2002, 2434 posts, RR: 12
Reply 21, posted (10 years 6 months 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 4064 times:

. . . but Terminal 5 is planned exclusively for BA use.....
BA have no plans fot the A380!!!!!


I'm sure some of BA's partners will fly in A380 into T5.

The main thing is that I would be very surprised if BA would not be flying large numbers of 380s by 2016, even possible as soon as 2010. Just look at the design of T5, it has A380 written all over it. I wonder if BA can stay competative with [aging-] 744s and 777 only after 2010, when most of their competitors will steal lots of traffic with their own A380 flights.

PW100



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User currently offlineJsnww81 From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2026 posts, RR: 15
Reply 22, posted (10 years 6 months 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4005 times:

To continue with my tongue-in-cheek analysis of BAA and LHR:

In their A380 readiness study, BAA realized that the check-in 'aisles' at T3 are far too wide. They'll eliminate two of them - after all, American, United and Virgin Atlantic don't REALLY need their own check-in areas) and narrow the rest of them by about ten feet.

Look for the ceiling in the T2 ground floor check-in area to be lowered by about six feet. Also, those bizarre inclined ramps connecting the ground and first floors of T2 will become the LHR standard.

Over at T1, look for lots of plywood walls and signs promising a complete reconstruction.

All in fun, folks - those quirks are what make LHR one of my favorite airports in the world.  Smile


User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 23, posted (10 years 6 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3938 times:
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Terminal 5 will surely be a stunner, a project that Britain can be proud of, but i wonder how many shops BAA will decide to cram into the terminal?  Big grin



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User currently offlineGBOAF From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 156 posts, RR: 3
Reply 24, posted (10 years 6 months 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 3912 times:

Jsnww81....

Try working there...

We all see the funny side at LHR....

Can't wait for terminal "Bluewater"..esp if anything like T3!



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25 Post contains images Leezyjet : "I wouldn't be surprised that within the next year or so we'll see a number of Terminal 4 gates rebuilt with dual-level air bridges so they could acco
26 JGPH1A : On the subject of A380's, it would seem to me that the T1 Europier is the one structure at LHR designed with double-decker loading in mind - how much
27 Post contains images Leezyjet : JGPH1A, No modifications would need to be made, they are already dual a/c size stands anyway. It would just mean boarding via one jetbridge on the low
28 Eg777er : They are also studying plans to make one large departure area for ALL destinations rather than have seperate Dom and Int lounges and use facial recogn
29 Post contains images Leezyjet : I know what your saying, I thought it sounded a bit hi-tech for LHR, but it is only a proposal at the moment and it is still 7 years away so that tech
30 Rjpieces : All of those airlines serving LHR with 747s now will not necessarily translate into A380s. The 747 will still be around for quite some time to come. K
31 PW100 : By then, the 7E7 will be around and hopefully a newer 747, and the Airbus response to the 7E7. So it really is imposible to predict how many movements
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