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Bermuda II, Virgin Atlantic Vs BMI  
User currently offlineLUV4JFK From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 462 posts, RR: 0
Posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 3067 times:

As dumb as the Bermuda II is, which only allows 2 airlines from the UK & the US to fly from Heathrow to the US, I've always wanted to know why did Virgin Atlantic get the rights to fly to the US over BMI? I know that BMI was not offering trans Atlantic flights for many years and recently re-instated trans Atlantic service from Manchester to the US, but it would seem to make more sense if BMI was able to fly trans Atlantic. After all, they are the 2nd most dominate airline at LHR and would provide MUCH better connections than Virgin Atlantic throughout Europe. What are your opinions about it?

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User currently offlineNorthStarDC4M From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 3192 posts, RR: 34
Reply 1, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 3019 times:

Virgin filed for the rights when they were available, British Midland didnt... nuff said.

Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
User currently offlineFlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2296 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 3016 times:

It wasn't until the late 80s (Possibly early 90s?) that even VS was able to operate from LHR to the USA. British Caledonian was fighting for most of the 1980s to get access to LHR, both for its US and other longhaul flights. When BA took them over in 1988 it only left a fledging VS as the UK's longhaul competition. At the time they were granted LHR access, including transatlantic rights, British Midland wasn't interested in longhaul - it was developing in its role of providing competetion to BA from LHR on domestic and European routes. It is only in recent years that BD's attention has switched to providing its own longhaul services, something which can only be good for the UK market. Just remains a question of how to you grant BD transatlantic rights from LHR, and get CO, NW, US and DL into there without stripping BA of hundreds of slots!

Let's Go British Caledonian!
User currently offlineRichard28 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 1743 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 2999 times:

Its all a question of timing, in the summer of 1987 when BA took over B-Cal, there was then only one british long-haul airline flying Bermuda routes.

VS stepped in and became this second carrier, British Midland could have stepped in, but I guess they missed their opportunity.

It would be nice for Bermuda 2 to be ditched, however given slot issues I doubt this could happen until the third runway is in place, and of course it is politically correct to do it - unless the EU forces the UK's hand.

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 2986 times:

nor did BD have sufficient fleet.

I'm still rather amused at how BD is so insistent upon the depressed N.American market... an A332 can go to most major destinations pretty much anywhere ex-LHR, nonstop.

User currently offlineCrewrest From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 93 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2834 times:

Anyone heard about BMI and VS being back at the table re. negotiations?

User currently offlineFlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2296 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (12 years 3 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2715 times:

Crewrest, this one is now largely in the hands of the EU who are wanting to negotiate an EU-US deal. They argue that by negotiating on behalf of the 25 member states (Come May) they should be able to get a better deal. LHR though is, and will remain, the big sticking point concerning the UK.

Let's Go British Caledonian!
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