Sponsor Message:
Civil Aviation Forum
My Starred Topics | Profile | New Topic | Forum Index | Help | Search 
Bermuda II, Virgin Atlantic Vs BMI  
User currently offlineLUV4JFK From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 462 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2493 times:

As dumb as the Bermuda II is, which only allows 2 airlines from the UK & the US to fly from Heathrow to the US, I've always wanted to know why did Virgin Atlantic get the rights to fly to the US over BMI? I know that BMI was not offering trans Atlantic flights for many years and recently re-instated trans Atlantic service from Manchester to the US, but it would seem to make more sense if BMI was able to fly trans Atlantic. After all, they are the 2nd most dominate airline at LHR and would provide MUCH better connections than Virgin Atlantic throughout Europe. What are your opinions about it?

LUV4JFK
 Big thumbs up


John F. Kennedy International Airport: Where America Greets The World.
6 replies: All unread, jump to last
 
User currently offlineNorthStarDC4M From Canada, joined Apr 2000, 2995 posts, RR: 37
Reply 1, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2445 times:
AIRLINERS.NET CREW
CHAT OPERATOR

Virgin filed for the rights when they were available, British Midland didnt... nuff said.


Those who would give up Essential Liberty to purchase a little Temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety.
User currently offlineFlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2072 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2442 times:

It wasn't until the late 80s (Possibly early 90s?) that even VS was able to operate from LHR to the USA. British Caledonian was fighting for most of the 1980s to get access to LHR, both for its US and other longhaul flights. When BA took them over in 1988 it only left a fledging VS as the UK's longhaul competition. At the time they were granted LHR access, including transatlantic rights, British Midland wasn't interested in longhaul - it was developing in its role of providing competetion to BA from LHR on domestic and European routes. It is only in recent years that BD's attention has switched to providing its own longhaul services, something which can only be good for the UK market. Just remains a question of how to you grant BD transatlantic rights from LHR, and get CO, NW, US and DL into there without stripping BA of hundreds of slots!


Let's Go British Caledonian!
User currently offlineRichard28 From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 1605 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2425 times:

Its all a question of timing, in the summer of 1987 when BA took over B-Cal, there was then only one british long-haul airline flying Bermuda routes.

VS stepped in and became this second carrier, British Midland could have stepped in, but I guess they missed their opportunity.

It would be nice for Bermuda 2 to be ditched, however given slot issues I doubt this could happen until the third runway is in place, and of course it is politically correct to do it - unless the EU forces the UK's hand.


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 4 days 8 hours ago) and read 2412 times:

nor did BD have sufficient fleet.


I'm still rather amused at how BD is so insistent upon the depressed N.American market... an A332 can go to most major destinations pretty much anywhere ex-LHR, nonstop.


User currently offlineCrewrest From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2001, 93 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2260 times:

Anyone heard about BMI and VS being back at the table re. negotiations?

User currently offlineFlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2072 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 2141 times:

Crewrest, this one is now largely in the hands of the EU who are wanting to negotiate an EU-US deal. They argue that by negotiating on behalf of the 25 member states (Come May) they should be able to get a better deal. LHR though is, and will remain, the big sticking point concerning the UK.


Let's Go British Caledonian!
Top Of Page
Forum Index

This topic is archived and can not be replied to any more.

Printer friendly format

Similar topics:More similar topics...
Virgin Atlantic VS 601/602 posted Wed Feb 25 2004 21:40:26 by PlaneMad
Virgin Atlantic vs. Antonov (sorry) posted Sat Feb 27 1999 14:02:05 by Antonov (THE re
2 Cars Vs. Virgin Atlantic 744 Very Cool! (Video) posted Sun Jan 22 2006 22:28:47 by KPDX
VS/Virgin Atlantic Fan Site/Forum posted Sun Feb 27 2005 19:00:26 by Airgeek12
Virgin Atlantic / BMI Codeshare To BRU Question posted Thu Jul 24 2003 08:40:45 by Sabena 690
British Airways VS Virgin Atlantic posted Tue Feb 27 2001 01:39:40 by United Airline
What New Routes To Expect From Virgin Atlantic? posted Fri Dec 15 2006 19:31:49 by 8herveg
Virgin Atlantic To Serve Nairobi From Jun07 posted Fri Dec 15 2006 16:47:00 by Sevenheavy
Virgin Atlantic Plan To Save Fuel. posted Tue Dec 5 2006 07:48:53 by Mig21UMD
Bermuda II Treaty posted Mon Dec 4 2006 01:16:16 by Iloveboeing