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The End Of Mrtc On AA Is Coming Soon  
User currently offlineFliboyz From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 201 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 7466 times:

Heard through the grapevine and a pretty good source that MRTC on AA will be coming to an end in the near future.

I wonder what the impact would be from this? For example losing customers because of MRTC. When AA first did this tons and tons of positive responses came from first time flyers and frequent flyers.

And don't ask me from what source I got it from because of course I CANNOT disclose that information.

Any thoughts on what impact this will take on AA.



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User currently offlineTekelberry From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1459 posts, RR: 4
Reply 1, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 7425 times:

NO. What you probably heard was what was announced by AA months ago. No more MRTC on 757s and A300s only.

[Edited 2004-02-24 06:13:30]

User currently offlineKKMolokai From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 760 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 7417 times:

Rumors!

I have a meeting in the morning with management, I'll confirm.



We are the people of American Airlines. And we know why you fly.
User currently offlineFliboyz From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 201 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 7402 times:

Tekelberry-

NO. I know about the 757s and the A300s.

To clarify, I meant the ENTIRE FLEET to have seats put back.



User currently offlineFliboyz From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 201 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 7370 times:

KKMolokai-

They may not be in any position to answer that question now. Do you think? And if they answer with a no, you think it's true. It's been floating around AA for awhile that seats are going to eventually be put back.

What do you think? I hope they don't. That's one advantage for AA to distinguish from the other carriers.


User currently offlineKKMolokai From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 760 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 7333 times:

If you listen to the 4th quarter financial results on AMRcorp.com, Arpey addressed this question. If I remember correctly, he said while anything is possible, that AA has (had) no immediate plans to retire MRTC on the rest of the fleet.



We are the people of American Airlines. And we know why you fly.
User currently offlineFliboyz From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 201 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 7286 times:

Also not to discredit your area of expertise.  Wink/being sarcastic

Well we'll just have to wait and see what happens huh.

Good Night


User currently offlineBCAInfoSys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 7218 times:

I have no source that I can point to, but I have heard the same thing as Fliboyz, I'm with him on this. I think he's right, AA will indeed end MRTC soon.

Luckily for me, it's not soon enough. Mwahahahaha, I get to cross the Atlantic with not only MRTC, but MRTC in an emergency exit row! Schweet! lol!  Big thumbs up


User currently offlineSccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5490 posts, RR: 28
Reply 8, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 13 hours ago) and read 7198 times:

Having already been scammed by the new LRTC program, I am very disappointed that AA will end MRTC. It was the sole point of difference justifying selection of AA on several recent trips, and ending it will be the point of difference in selecting competing carriers in futuro.

Unfortunately, it does appear that AA's contempt for the traveling public, most notably those whose travel options are severely limited (for example, those who reside in North Texas), continues without abatement.

Very disappointing.



...three miles from BRONS, clear for the ILS one five approach...
User currently offlineJfernandez From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 304 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 7146 times:

It's quite a funny problem actually. MRTC got more people in the planes, which caused the AA brass to lament about how you had full flights, and now they want to cram more seats in. D'oh.

User currently offlineTekelberry From United States of America, joined May 2003, 1459 posts, RR: 4
Reply 10, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 12 hours ago) and read 7075 times:

Having already been scammed by the new LRTC program, I am very disappointed that AA will end MRTC. It was the sole point of difference justifying selection of AA on several recent trips, and ending it will be the point of difference in selecting competing carriers in futuro.

Unfortunately, it does appear that AA's contempt for the traveling public, most notably those whose travel options are severely limited (for example, those who reside in North Texas), continues without abatement.

Very disappointing.


You wrote that entire thing based on a rumor spread by someone who has a "top secret" AA source?


User currently offlineKKMolokai From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 760 posts, RR: 2
Reply 11, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 6954 times:

Exactly Tekelberry! I was thinking the same thing.

My meeting with HDQ is in a few hours, and you can bet MRTC will be one of the questions I have for them, along with possible A300 replacement aircraft, since it was stated in my last meeting that AA is planning to start retiring the A300s beginning in 2008. Will keep you all posted.



We are the people of American Airlines. And we know why you fly.
User currently offlinePlaaneboy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 50 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 6857 times:

Fliboyz-

It was just reviewed and the decision was not to expand SRTC for now. What you heard is pure speculation from someone who doesn't know what he's talking about.


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 13, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 6852 times:

Well I would hate to see it go, tho to be honest I will not be surprised if they do go back. AA is doing everything to shore up the bottom line and the ability to sell a few more seats on each and every flight, well you do the math.


You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineB752fanatic From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 918 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 6782 times:

I'll say, I flew the A300 in coach last week MIA-SDQ, I felt so uncomfortable that I repeated my self saying that I wont fly in AA anymore.

The bad thing is that the first leg was on a 777, and I loved it, since it was a urgent equp. change, the second leg was on the original scheduled aircraft the A300.

Next time I will try to avoid the A300, and go for the 738.






"Truth is more of a stranger than fiction." Mark Twain
User currently offlineRichardw From United Kingdom, joined May 2001, 3746 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 6707 times:

Why is an AA A300 so bad, I am booked on one JFK-MIA.

User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3288 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 3 hours ago) and read 6692 times:

Because it has the new MRTC...

"More rows throughout coach"


User currently offlineAA717driver From United States of America, joined Feb 2002, 1566 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 6595 times:

AA has reached the point that they can now declare MRTC was not 'producing the desired results' or some such B.S. the PR flacks come up with to try to make management not look so bad.

Look, TWA tried it and found they hemorrhaged revenue. Had AA management not refused to learn from history they might have avoided this problem.

Sorry to rain on those who really like the extra legroom(who doesn't?) and it may cause people to book away(we booked away from USAir because of their excessively narrow seats on the 737's in the early '90's). But the airline HAS to start generating more revenue and they need it now!TC



FL450, M.85
User currently offlineN777UA From United States of America, joined Mar 2010, 0 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 6471 times:

Didn't TWA hemmorage money regardless of whether or not they had more room in coach?

User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 19, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 6474 times:

Having already been scammed by the new LRTC program, I am very disappointed that AA will end MRTC. It was the sole point of difference justifying selection of AA on several recent trips, and ending it will be the point of difference in selecting competing carriers in futuro.

Unfortunately, it does appear that AA's contempt for the traveling public, most notably those whose travel options are severely limited (for example, those who reside in North Texas), continues without abatement.


Your contempt for AA is astonishing.

First of all, you base your opinion on a rumor. And your profile says you are a lawyer. Didn't they teach you not to jump to conclusions in law school?

More astonishing, however, is how you say that AA "limits" the travel options of people in North Texas. What the hell are you smoking? Here is an abridged list of destinations that North Texans wouldn't have if it weren't for AA:

ZRH
CDG
ACA
GRU
LIM
CCS
SCL
EZE
HNL
YUL
YYC
YVR
SJU
AA), Japan">NRT

AA has its problems, sure, but overall it is a great asset to the Dallas-Ft. Worth area. And as far as MRTC is concerned, if it does in fact disappear, at least AA had the guts to give it a shot. If they end up getting rid of it, blame the traveling public that cares more about price than legroom -- not the airline.



"Lose" is not spelled with two o's!!!!
User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3288 posts, RR: 4
Reply 20, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 6446 times:

If AA can't sell all the seats they produce now at a return that they are happy with, what makes them think that ADDING seats is the answer? Wouldn't that mean MORE seats that they can't seel at a level they are happy wtih?

User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 21, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 6411 times:

TOLtommy

The problem as I see it with airlines as well as other service industries is the revenue management get involved and start to find ways to save pennies at the expense of customers. The saying is "penny wise and dollar foolish"

And you are right, right now they probably not filling all the seats, so why have even more to fill? Because some pencil necks in revenue management have decided that by having 12 extra seats per aircraft might generate xx dollars per flight, times xx number of flights per day, times xx numbers of flight per month, times xx number of flights per year.



You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3288 posts, RR: 4
Reply 22, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 6368 times:

A more realistic fare structure, like Alaska Air just implemented, combined with MRTC, might be the way to go IMO. Bring the bottom fare up slightly, cap the walk up fares, make FC affordable so that your business pax might just purchase it, rather than buy the lowest fare and then upgrade, and eliminate the round trip and Saturday stay requirements.

Like him or not, Crandall and AA drove a lot of change in this industry after deregulation. AA could be the first "Big 6" carrier to adapt to the new reality, and gain a valuable head start on their rivals. It worked when they introduced SuperSavers and AAdvantage....


User currently offlineVC745D From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 214 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week ago) and read 6268 times:

Not a surprising development. The "AAdvantage" program ceased to command my strict loyalty to AA once I realized that I usually accrue more monthly mileage with non-flying expenditure. "Mrtc" took its place as the most important factor in my choosing AA whenever available. Now it seems that AA will just be a somewhat cleaner DL. Not good.

User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2686 posts, RR: 6
Reply 24, posted (10 years 5 months 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6174 times:

Doesn't CO also provide service via SkyWest for the small cities in North Texas thru IAH? If for some reason they all ditched AA, they could experience the 31" pitch of CO instead.

25 Ssides : Cory6188-- SkyWest operates as Continental Connection to the following Texas cities: ABI (Abilene) SJT (San Angelo) ACT (Waco) ILE (Killeen) TYR (Tyle
26 RiverVisualNYC : Funny that they still have the MRTC info prominently featured on aa.com, including some that implies that it's on all AA flights and only mentiones th
27 AirMatt : I am like most and hope that they don't remove MRTC. Being 6'4" makes a 32" seat tough... However, if they do, I'm not changing my loyalties from AA t
28 AA777MIA : RiverVisualNYC, the A300 and B757 do not make up a LARGE portion of AA's fleet, quite the opposite...
29 TWAL1011 : What you call "LRTC" is just industry average pitch 30-31". The same as you find on any of the other major network carriers. MRTC has shown that it do
30 Ssides : why not remove 15 percent of the seats and fly at 95 percent capacity? I may be in left field on this but it seams to be sensible to me.... Sorry, and
31 Ckfred : What's interesting is that a lot of people who don't live at AA hubs or other major cities haven't heard of MRTC. I got the feeling that AA never did
32 Tekelberry : MRTC was added by former CEO Don Carty in 2000 when attracting high-yield business travellers was part of the business plan. Attracting business trave
33 Sccutler : Sorry I have missed this thread's development. Working and all that... Ssides wrote: Your contempt for AA is astonishing. First of all, you base your
34 AirxLiban : you know what, i don't even think MRTC is that much of a big deal. I recently flew LAX-MIA on a 777 and MIA-LAX back on a 757. When I got in the 777,
35 777boy : I've always liked MRTC, and I think it should be on all AA's flights. However, to my experiences, AA has done a very good job of using the 757s to low
36 EALSYS1 : "They are removing the MRTC on the 757s and A300s. These aircraft are almost always exclusively used on leisure routes and NOT the business routes. He
37 AApilot2b : One of the big reasons I am so loyal to AA is the MRTC program. I am tall and willing to pay a little extra for that added leg room on a longer fligh
38 Thrust : I hope this doesn't mean the end of MRTC on AA's 777s. I loved it. Enjoyed two of my most comfortable flights ever on an AA 777. How much longer shoul
39 Baw2198 : Sorry for asking but.. What is MRTC?
40 AirxLiban : BAW, More Room Throughout Coach. The seats are spaced a little bit further apart from each other than usual, this is a key advertising point that Amer
41 Ha763 : What's interesting is that a lot of people who don't live at AA hubs or other major cities haven't heard of MRTC. I got the feeling that AA never did
42 Baw2198 : AirxLiban Thanks Baw2198
43 AirMatt : Ssides, My only point on this was not to say reduce seats to 10 in order to fly at 100% capacity. And I do realize that with more seats, obviously you
44 AA717driver : 777UA--Yes, TWA did hemmorhage cash. That's because they had a massive debt load and all the assets were leveraged. Kind of like UAL right now... Ckfr
45 Ssides : Matt -- The point is that reducing the number of seats reduces the potential revenue that the plane can generate. In a high-demand time or market, you
46 AirMatt : It makes sense Ssides..... Maximizing during peak hours/times and markets is definitely a good thing!
47 Post contains images Mattnrsa : You could always fly with UA, offering Economy Plus sections on all flights (ex-Shuttle reconfiguration will be completed soon)! UA found removing onl
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