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Star Alliance To Buy 7E7.  
User currently offlineMotorhussy From New Zealand, joined Mar 2000, 3113 posts, RR: 9
Posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 10 hours ago) and read 6654 times:

Read a small article in this morning's paper about the Star Alliance Group being in negotiations with Boeing for a joint purchase of the 7E7.

Has anyone read anything further on this or know any more about how far down the line they are etc? Which particular airlines? What numbers we're talking?

As far as I can make out Air New Zealand, ANA, Asiana, LOT, Mexicana, Singapore, United and Varig could all do with them, perhaps even some of the others that are already operating the A332.

Thoughts? Insights?
Regards
MH


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User currently offlineCaravelle From Norway, joined Aug 2000, 666 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 6553 times:

Interestingly, as we are on opposite sides of the globe: Similar story in the papers here in Norway, too. But the story seems very vague and inconclusive. I bet the 7E7 will be a strong contender, though!

- caravelle



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User currently offlineANA From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 294 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6362 times:

I think Lufthansa will be the launch customer.

Anders


User currently offlineKa From Switzerland, joined Apr 2000, 660 posts, RR: 10
Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6342 times:

Hopefully not.

KA.



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User currently offlineFlying-Tiger From Germany, joined Aug 1999, 4160 posts, RR: 36
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6335 times:

Well, if you post the news do it properly, please. The consideredd joint purchase will likely be for a wide-body requirement and might include the A330, A340 and B7E7 - nothing that STAR wil lfor sure buy the B7E7, even though the chances are not small.

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User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4692 posts, RR: 43
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6311 times:

@KA
Why "hopefully not"?



Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
User currently offlineLMP737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5941 times:

Ka:

Here's how the airline business works. If an airline can get a good deal on an airplane that will fit their needs they will buy it.


User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3286 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5912 times:

What paper is this in? Do you have a link to the article?

User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4692 posts, RR: 43
Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5892 times:

LMP737,

Not according to a.net armchair CEO's. According to them, airlines will buy the "best looking " plane (whatever that means), repaint their fleet every two weeks and conduct a complete fleet rollover every year or so. Big grin



Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
User currently offlineGEG2RAP From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 848 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 5783 times:

LMP737,
don't forget nwa they will never do any of the above  Smile


User currently offlineHighliner2 From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 696 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5534 times:

i believe Singapore will be the launch customer for the 7e7, they've already ordered some...


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User currently offlineUshermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2963 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5461 times:

Mexicana is not a member of Star Alliance any longer.
Also saying "hopefully not" does not state a decision by an armchair CEO but a personal opinion.



Where have all the tri-jets gone...
User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7558 posts, RR: 43
Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 5419 times:

MX is on its way out of Star Alliance, so it is probably not involved in any joint negotiation with the other members for the purchase of aircraft. It would be really cool, though, if they eventually bought some 7E7s.


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User currently offlineManni From South Korea, joined Nov 2001, 4221 posts, RR: 23
Reply 13, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5300 times:

Highliner2,

Does Singapore Airlines know already that they ordered the 7E7?  Laugh out loud



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 14, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5254 times:

i believe Singapore will be the launch customer for the 7e7, they've already ordered some...

Can you substantiate that?

I think Lufthansa will be the launch customer.

LH has stated plainly that they're not interested, but would be more so if it had a sidestick option.

N


User currently offlineYUL332LX From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 820 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5214 times:

Highliner2,

Boeing has no hard signature for the 7E7 yet.



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User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 849 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5119 times:

Dont think Airbus sitting n waiting for 7E7 to get customers without a fight!!
They´ll come up with something......soon, very soon  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Michael//SE  Big thumbs up
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User currently offlineKalakaua From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1516 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5016 times:

Oh grow up... What is up with all of you!? Quit being a loser, and give us facts that compliment your ridiculous opinions. Seems like any kid under 13 can join these intellectual conversations, nowadays...  Yeah sure


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User currently offlineOrd From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4915 times:

From an industry brief dated yesterday...

"The Star Alliance is reportedly developing joint specifications for new long-haul aircraft that its member carriers expect to buy from Boeing and Airbus. The long-haul standards currently being discussed with the alliance's 15 airlines would encompass aircraft such as Boeing's new 7E7 aircraft and Airbus models such as the A330 and A340."

As an aside, the title of this thread is very misleading. By stating "Star Alliance to buy 7E7" it sounds like a purchase has been made, which is far from true.


User currently offlineBmacleod From Canada, joined Aug 2001, 2231 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4874 times:

The 7E7 is a Boeing aircraft, which is US therefore, the launch customer should be UA, CO, AA, DLor NW. UA was launch for the 777, AA for the 767. Only Lufthansa was the foreign launch customer (for the 737).


[Edited 2004-02-24 19:58:28]


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User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4867 times:

I think Lufthansa will be the launch customer.

And US$ 100 say that LH will not install PTV's in Economy Class  Big thumbs up.

Patrick


User currently offlineTriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4692 posts, RR: 43
Reply 21, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4787 times:

Patrick, I am sure that LH will install PTV's on their new 7E7 ASAP, because Mr. Mayrhofer is certainly reading all the "expert comments" here on a.net. Big grin


Homer: Facts are meaningless. You could use facts to prove anything that's even remotely true!
User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4741 times:

Of course Jens, I am sure that many airlines already cut staff in certain departments like fleet management etc., the executive committee is simply reading some topics on a.net, than they know what aircraft type they have to order Big grin.

By the way, the name of the new LH guy is Myerhuber.

Patrick


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17286 posts, RR: 46
Reply 23, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4659 times:

"The 7E7 is a Boeing aircraft, which is US therefore, the launch customer should be UA, CO, AA, DLor NW. UA was launch for the 777, AA for the 767. Only Lufthansa was the foreign launch customer (for the 737)."

Nonsense! Why?





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User currently offlineOrd From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 1381 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 4581 times:

"UA was launch for the 777, AA for the 767."

This is incorrect. UA was the launch customer for both the 777 and 767.


25 Post contains images TriStar500 : Patrick, Lets compromise on "Mayrhuber". BTW I have heard that AB will cut certain staff in crew scheduling in order to finance the introduction of PT
26 Post contains images Ba319-131 : And BA was the joint launch customer with EA for the 757
27 Post contains links and images Sabena332 : Lets compromise on "Mayrhuber". These Austrians sure have difficult names . BTW I have heard that AB will cut certain staff in crew scheduling in orde
28 DIA : UA was the launch customer for both the 777 and 767. If my memory serves. . .UA based their "needs" for a 767-type off of their DEN-ORD and DEN-BOS ro
29 Motorhussy : Flying-Tiger Well, if you post the news do it properly, please. Did you mean to sound so arrogant with your post? I merely asked some pertinent questi
30 Ord : "Some if not many members of the Start Alliance will purchase the 7E7, so it is not misleading Ord." I don't mean to get into semantics, but "will pur
31 Motorhussy : Thanks Ord - sorry, should have read Star Alliance. Also, it appears that more accurate (media) reports have applied the article to an RFP to both maj
32 Ramprat74 : I have a feeling that ANA or JAL will be the first to order it. They have alot of 767's in the JDM fleet.
33 AA787 : Lets look at the alliance- AC-Airbus, Airbus, Airbus Widebody Fleet-330/340/744 NZ-A definite possibility 7E7 and 773 Widebody Fleet-763/744 ANA-Anoth
34 Gigneil : OZ-Another Boeing lover Widebody Fleet-763, 744 OZ plans an extensive A330 fleet, as well as using Airbus narrowbodies. TG operates the 330 as well. R
35 AA787 : I heard RG was getting more 777s? anyone confirm, AA787
36 Post contains links Flying-Tiger : If you think it was arrogant, okay, think so. But before putting such a "definite header" in place you should rather check if your info is 100% correc
37 Yulguy : I've looked on the Boeing website and checked out the 7E7. My first impressions were that it did not seem very modern looking on the outside and I'm a
38 Post contains images AA787 : YULguy-Alot of the enhancements are on the inside. Better fuel efficency. Better environmentally, and better passenger comfort. Your right, the 7E7 st
39 Johnnybgoode : yeah, let´s get back to the topic. as AA787 has pointed out, the 7E7, according to current stats, is a very "enhanced" aircraft design. pretty light,
40 BoingGoingGone : SkyTeam is a more likely candidate.
41 Post contains images ConcordeBoy : RG also operates the M11 and the 777 doesn't seem like it'll stay long. Guess that's why they're getting more of them...
42 Post contains images BCAInfoSys : AA787 - Just a quick point, you forgot that Asiana ( OZ ) also operates the 777 in it's widebody fleet.
43 Trent900 : Looking at the financial situation of LH I don't think they'll be looking at the 7e7 in the near future, by which time Airbus will have an A300/310 re
44 Wingman : I hate to disappoint the LH/Boeing hopefuls out there but as I've said many times, LH will not order new Boeing aircraft for pax travel in our lifetim
45 Gigneil : according to Boeing, the stretched derivative (the third one out of the currently considered derivatives) will be about the same size as the A340-300
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