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Is Southwest Looking At IFP?  
User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4613 times:

Hi folks.....
Being a resident of IFP (Bullhead,AZ/Laughlin,NV) I've heard a rumor floating around town these past few days that WN is taking a semi-serious look at IFP for service in the future. Sun Country is already here, and is becoming a favorite among the locals and out-of-towners visiting the area/casinos. Allegiant is here as well, but not as visible as Sun Country. So, IF the rumor is true that WN was here looking around.....does anyone think WN can make a go at it here at IFP, being only 90 miles south of LAS & 200 miles northwest of PHX? All opinions & replies welcomed. Regards.


"Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." --Ben Franklin
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User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5632 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4581 times:

Seems too close to LAS. But then again, if there's one thing we should know about WN, it's that they have an ever-present ability to surprise.


"Let me think about it" = the coward's way of saying "no"
User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4517 times:

A couple of things I forgot to mention in the topic starter. IFP recently received approval for grants/funds to extend the current, and single runway, from 7500' to 9000'. Also the terminal is being reviewed for expansion & renovation. I thought that IF Southwest knew these plans were taking place, they MIGHT have been here having a looksee. Regards.


"Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." --Ben Franklin
User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 3, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4504 times:

Anything is possible, as whoever thought PHL would be part of the route map...


You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7760 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 4487 times:

Sure they maybe looking at IFP... but there are probably a few dozen cities infront of Laughlin/Bullhead City that are more probable for Southwest to serve.

Combined populations of both cities can't be much more than 100,000... plus the only thing going there is the handful of casinos. Doesn't seem to be a viable market for a major to enter.



Stop drop and roll will not save you in hell. --- seen on a church marque in rural Virginia
User currently offlineFlyboy7974 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1540 posts, RR: 2
Reply 5, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4366 times:

maybe they are looking at ifp for charter operations, i fly into ifp from prc weekly, and love seeing the allegiant and sun country jets there, but southwest i bet would offer charter service to some of their other destinations. they have a huge charter base in las, so maybe it's time to move to ifp and expand there, although, i don't see sw liking the terminal too much in ifp

User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 4281 times:

SWA looks at IFP every day, usually as we're cruising down J74 and other routes inbound to SoCal...  Big grin

Seriously though, I don't see IFP on any "short list" of future destinations...


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 20 hours ago) and read 4171 times:

FlagshipAZ,

We should have gotten together for a beer this winter, if you are interested let me know, I am here for one more week. I leave this Sunday to drive to the Grand Canyon then to Denver and then home.

As for WN coming to Laughlin, well I have to say the pax terminal would either have to be demolished and redone or expanded big time, it is so SMALL. SCY is not going to like them coming either because they will cut into their profits big time. I would be all for WN coming to Laughlin, would make my life a lot easier, I could fly from ISP-IFP which is a lot easier then going to LAS. WN could have non-stops from IFP-LAX which I would use at least twice a winter to catch some of Shaq daddy's massive dunks. Maybe non-stops to phoenix to visit my buddy. This could be great!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy


User currently offlineKevin752 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 726 posts, RR: 4
Reply 8, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 4131 times:

I think that IFP would be a great city for WN. WN is a growing airline so they may do something good with that city. SY does not do that much in IFP. They have on flight a day from IFP to MSP. There is no other airlines there and also is no flights from LAX and other cities to IFP.


"Keep Climbing"
User currently offlineSccutler From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 5490 posts, RR: 28
Reply 9, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 4116 times:

When pigs fly.

No chance of enough frequency to justify opening a station.



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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 4083 times:

Kevin752,

Sun Country has a busier schedule than you think, they don't fly into IFP every day but have many flights from MSP, Denver, the Portland area and Texas. Not to mention every flight in and out of IFP is always full. They would take a hit from WN if they came to IFP especially in the Texas market. I think Allegiant has made a mistake in this area, they have no commercial flights and only fly private charter into IFP. Laughlin has only continued to grow and I think IFP needs to expand to keep up.


User currently offlineSllevin From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 3376 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 4059 times:

I just don't see IFP having enough of a market to support WN's entry requirements. Heck, there's not even scheduled regional service of note. I can't see even 5 daily destinations that would support 737's -- much less than the 10 WN normally looks for a minimum.

Steve


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 19 hours ago) and read 4043 times:

I have to agree with Sllevin, 5 would be stretching it, if WN wants to come to Laughlin they will have to start a lot smaller. Who knows, I still think Allegiant could benefit here with some daily routes with their MD-80s. Only time will tell.

User currently offlineCloudy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 18 hours ago) and read 4039 times:


Not 10 destinations, 10 daily flights. For example, you could have 3 flights to one destination, 4 to another , and 3 to yet another.

Just about every place wants WN and so rumors get started easily. I doubt that airport is on the short list.





[Edited 2004-02-25 06:42:41]

User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 33
Reply 14, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 3912 times:

As a quick comparison, Gulfport/Biloxi has quite a number of top-notch casinos, and is located 77 air miles from MSY (a large WN destination), and GPT has no WN service.

IFP is located 72 air miles from LAS (a very large WN destination/hub), so I fail to see the need for WN to drop scheduled a/c into IFP when such a large operation exists so close by.

Tom at MSY



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User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 15, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 3884 times:

Tom in NO I believe has hit the nail on the head, so to say.


You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3411 posts, RR: 17
Reply 16, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 6 hours ago) and read 3867 times:

Look for WN to grow more east of the Mississippi. My best guesses are CLT or GSP. RSW (when the new midfield terminal opens). Does anyone know much about MCN - Macon, Georgia? (runway length, terminal facilities, etc.), it's only 30-35 miles outside ATL. If the airport could support WN, I'd add them to my list...

User currently offlineSllevin From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 3376 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 3810 times:

Not 10 destinations, 10 daily flights.

Understood -- but I was trying to find the easiest requirement (multiple destinations means more disperse O&D) and still showing IFP doesn't make it.

Truth is that HII would make more sense -- even though it doesn't have the casinos, it's got a larger snowbird population, gets more tourists, and can more easily pull from the Kingman area as well. And HII manages to support 1(2?)x B1900 service already.

Steve


User currently offlineSierraAir From United States of America, joined May 1999, 202 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 3772 times:

Southwest had their chance to serve IFP back in the mid-90s when they bought Morris Air. Morris Air had a very limited service from IFP, serving SJC, OAK, and SLC. The flights usually arrived early evening and left around 10 pm to arrive in their respective cities around midnight. Three flights a day to three cities does not seem to fit the Southwest plan, even if they have been known to surprise.

Brian


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 3716 times:

So true, I do believe IFP needs a lot more service. WN may not fit, but I wish SCY would add some flights to LAX and PHX. I mean if Allegiant started a shuttle to LAS from IFP say maybe two flights a week they would do good with it. I would use it a lot. As for WN their business plan goes against IFP which is huge turnover and a lot of flights. I kind of like SCY a lot, I think their service is great, they have new 738s and they are pretty reasonable with fares. I think IFP is their baby and they should expand it.

User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 5 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 3720 times:

Does anyone know much about MCN - Macon, Georgia? (runway length, terminal facilities, etc.), it's only 30-35 miles outside ATL

Macon is actually around 80 miles from Atlanta. MCN could handle a 737 no problem, as HP sends their Airbuses down to MCN from ATL for MX work by TIMCO. And MCN even sees widebodies IIRC. If any city in Georgia was to be the first to see WN service, I'd put money on either Savannah (SAV) or Augusta (AGS) before Macon.


User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3411 posts, RR: 17
Reply 21, posted (10 years 5 months 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 3632 times:

Thanks for the info srbmod. My stupid Skyguide lists MCN-ATL as 34 miles so I thought it would be a great way for WN to grab some of the ATL market without going to Hartsfield...

User currently offlineIMisspiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6280 posts, RR: 34
Reply 22, posted (10 years 5 months 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 3562 times:

How many airlines have failed trying to serve Bullhead City/Laughlin while flying 19 seat turboprops? I can think of 4 or 5. Allegiant and Sun Country and the odd others, are charters and subsidized by the casinos.

Southwest will serve Bullhead on the same day I win the lottery. And I don't buy lottery tickets.



Quit calling an airport ramp "Tarmac" and a taxiway "runway".
User currently offlineFlagshipAZ From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3419 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (10 years 5 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 3495 times:

Southwest will serve Bullhead the same day Piedmont is resurrected. And no one is missing Piedmont.
After all it's just a rumor.  Wink/being sarcastic


[Edited 2004-02-26 16:03:29]


"Beer is living proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy." --Ben Franklin
User currently offlineIMisspiedmont From United States of America, joined May 2001, 6280 posts, RR: 34
Reply 24, posted (10 years 5 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 3416 times:

But, the Piedmont name flies the skies today, just not the same though.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

If Bullhead City could produce 2000 daily O&D passengers, you might see WN there. And I do not mean the junket passengers.



Quit calling an airport ramp "Tarmac" and a taxiway "runway".
25 NIKV69 : WN is not coming to IFP anytime soon. I think IFP's first concern should be the terminal. To be honest it needs to be destroyed and a new one built. T
26 Post contains images FlagshipAZ : Yes I agree...the existing terminal needs replacing. Seems as the rental car companies & the cafe is taking up valuable space...not that I'm knocking
27 Post contains images NIKV69 : FlagshipAZ, I agree that is a weird spot for The Home Depot and now with Carl's Jr and that taco place in the front as well. I think Home Depot would
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