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If American Ever Buys Airbus Planes Again...  
User currently offlineAmerican 767 From United States of America, joined May 1999, 3735 posts, RR: 12
Posted (10 years 5 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4865 times:
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I would love that. I know it's very unlikely but it's not impossible, the probability that American ever orders from Airbus again is tiny but not zero. We all know that American's only Airbus product in its 70 year history is the A300-600, but if they ever add a new Airbus which do you think it could be? I think it could be the A340-500, not the 600, because it's a very long haul aircraft medium sized capacity wise. American would need such an aircraft if they add new routes in the Pacific Ocean or if they add a nonstop flight from MIA to CPT like SAA used to have.
American has 777ER's in its long haul sector but, unlike most poeple here may think, they could choose the A340-500 over the 777-300ER for three reasons:
-no ETOPS restrictions
-the 777-300ER is offered with only GE engines and the A340-500 is offered with RR engines which power the 777 at American.
-a 2-4-2 seat layout better than a 2-5-2 seat layout, no seat is more than one seat away from an aisle. It's not fun to have a middle seat in a set of 5 seats on a long flight.
Then the choice is, either choose the Boeing and keep airframe commonality but not engine commonality or vice versa, choose the Airbus and keep the engine commonality but no airframe commonality. American doesn't seem to be interested in the 777-300ER and they don't need to add a new "queen of the sky" right now, but if they ever go shopping for a new "flagship" long haul, then Airbus may negociate a good deal with American. Wouldn't the A340-500 in American Airlines colours look great? And do you think they would be wholly painted in gray like the A300's were? That I don't think so because the A300's are wearing a bare metal scheme like all other aircrafts.

Folks, this post is not a Boeing versus Airbus war. It's just a thought that I have in mind now. I said in another post that if American adds a new type it would be the 7E7, but I would not exclude the A340-500.

Ben Soriano
Brussels Belgium


Ben Soriano
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User currently offlineVSLover From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1897 posts, RR: 22
Reply 1, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4804 times:

why are there no ETOPS restrictions on the A345?

Thanks!


User currently offlinePropjock04 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 76 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4794 times:

VSLover,

Because it has more than two engines.


User currently offlineWarren747sp From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4781 times:

I think the A340-500 maybe to small in load for their transpacific flights.
I believe the A300 maybe inherited from a carrier they purchased many years ago?



747SP
User currently offlineSpaceman From United States of America, joined exactly 14 years ago today! , 534 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4771 times:

How about ordering some 777LR first.

User currently offlineTexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4273 posts, RR: 52
Reply 5, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4732 times:

Warren: AA actually bought the planes from Airbus, but received a special deal as they were the North American launch customer for the series, or some deal like that. It was an attempt by Airbus to have AA purchase more aircraft from them, but AA ended up sticking with Boeing and MD for the most part. They do provide terrific cargo capacity, though, which is a major reason for their use on the Caribbean routes.

Texan



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User currently offlineVSLover From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1897 posts, RR: 22
Reply 6, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 4667 times:

Propjock04-

Ha. For some reason, I thought it applied to all jets. My bad.

Thanks!


User currently offlineThrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2688 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4647 times:

AA is Boeing-loyal. I suspect that AA will continue to be that way for a long time. But if Airbus presents to them an aircraft that seems to extend Boeing's ability to reach their needs, I am sure AA will chose the Airbus aircraft. If they didn't, that would simply be poor business management. Putting myself in the shoes of AA's owner, though certainly angry with them for the Airbus accident (just because he was), I would not bypass the better product, Airbus, Boeing, or whoever. Believe me, it may last awhile, but if Airbus is able to suit AA the best, I would put aside my own hate for Airbus in order to keep my airline up and running as efficiently as possible. Need I say more?


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User currently offlineAA787 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 610 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4587 times:

Amen to Thrust for the most part.

AA thinks first- Boeing, Boeing, Boeing
THEN-Commonality,Commonality,Commonality

They both point against Airbus,

AA787



ET In NYC
User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 850 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4542 times:

Isnt DL the only major UScarrier that doesnt have any Airbus in their fleet??
Anyone else? Major UScarrier....

Hejdå  Big thumbs up

Michael//SE
www.moveon.org



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User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4521 times:

Is that AA still thinking about buy with new planes by Boeing or Airbus? Either way that can be choose with those new airplanes of Airbus or Boeing. Exactly I am not sure which one of them.

User currently offlineAmwest25 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4499 times:

"Isnt DL the only major UScarrier that doesnt have any Airbus in their fleet??"

AS doesn't.
WN doesn't
CO doesn't



User currently offlinePropjock04 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 76 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4477 times:

Solnabo,

Both Continental and Southwest (obviously) don't have any airbus planes in their fleets.


User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16819 posts, RR: 51
Reply 13, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4402 times:

I think the reaction from Airbus after AA flight #587 crash has solidified the fact that AA is not buying Airbus, Airbus blamed AA's Maintenance practices, and pilot training for the accident.

Playing the blame game with the World's Largest Airline is not the best way to win orders, AA will order Boeing.



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User currently offlineFlyinround731 From United States of America, joined Jun 2000, 241 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 4370 times:

Continental did have some Airbus A300s in their fleets in the late 80's and early 90's, I remember seeing them fly over Beltway 8 after departing 15L (now 14L) at IAH and making that turn when I was a little boy from the Greenspoint Mall parking lot.

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User currently offlineTexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4273 posts, RR: 52
Reply 15, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4210 times:

DL also had A310s in their fleet which they acquired with some of Pan Am's other assets. If the question is which major US carriers, in operation today, have never had Airbii in their fleet, WN and AS are the only ones, I believe. Also, TWA had ordered A330s, but Icahn reneged on the deal costing TWA more money. Otherwise, TWA could have been added to the list of US airlines who had at one time or another used Airbus aircraft. But that's a little off topic, so that'll be it.

Texan



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User currently offlineRjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4101 times:

Besides the whole argument over the A300 crash, Airbus just doesn't have any model right now that AA needs. The 7E7 is the most likely aircraft to enter their fleet in the coming years as it could replace their 767s, A300s, and some of their 757s.

Back when Boeing was first getting started with the 777NGs, AA wanted them to have it with an RR engine option but Boeing needed to get going on the project. AA was very angry with them and even asked Airbus for prices on the A345, however that was most likely just to anger/scare Boeing. Bottom line, I think there is little to no chance of AA ordering a brand new expensive plane that could only be operated in a handful of markets which AA isn't in.


User currently offlineTommy767 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 6584 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 4023 times:

If american decided to purchase airbus, my vote would go to the A330, for the A300 replacement. The A330 would be ideal for cargo and passenger needs on leasure routes, and caribbean routes. "Plane" and simple. Just my 2 Cents.


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User currently offline9V-SVC From Singapore, joined Oct 2001, 1797 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days ago) and read 3970 times:

A330 is the perfect replacement of the A300s but I am doubt that they will purchase Airbus planes . More likely they will either buy more 767s or go with the 7E7.


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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 19, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days ago) and read 3963 times:

More used GE A300-600's.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineOzzie From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days ago) and read 3949 times:

I doubt American will ever buy any more Airbus planes.

I will go crazy if they do.  Smile


User currently offlineDc10hound From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 463 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days ago) and read 3948 times:

I think the reaction from Airbus after AA flight #587 crash has solidified the fact that AA is not buying Airbus, Airbus blamed AA's Maintenance practices, and pilot training for the accident.

And what part of my maintenance practices did they blame? Could you please site a reference or quote? What was it about the vertical stabilizer mounts that we were supposed to "maintain"? Does anybody routinely remove the tails to inspect them?



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User currently onlineSTT757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 16819 posts, RR: 51
Reply 22, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days ago) and read 3935 times:

AA is in the process of reducing their fleet types, the A300 will be gone by 2008.

AA's future fleet will be..

777s
737-800s (replace M80s)
757/767s transitioning to the 7E7

Three types = more $avings



Eastern Air lines flt # 701, EWR-MCO Boeing 757
User currently offlineSllevin From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 3376 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days ago) and read 3900 times:

A330 is the perfect replacement of the A300s

I would disagree. The A330-200 weighs 70,000 pounds more than the A300. Sure, it's got a lot more range, but AA isn't flying the A300's to the max right now.

Steve


User currently offlineRjpieces From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 5 months 4 days ago) and read 3864 times:

Plus doesn't the 330 carry less cargo than the 300?

I agree with STT. They might get some other 737NGs, other than the -800.


25 Ckfred : When AA signed its Boeing contract in 1997 or 1998, it got the right to 600+ production slots over 20 years. I think AA has taken delivery of about 20
26 Flyingbronco05 : If AA wants a plane that Boeing doesn't have, you can bet that Boeing will build it. FB05
27 Post contains images AA777223ER : STT757: AA has told us employees that they have no plans of retiring the A300 in the foreseeable future. I personally wish it were gone already, but I
28 Post contains links STT757 : Apparently some of your "co-workers" have been told different, as seen in another thread on the topic. http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_av
29 Post contains images AA777223ER : STT757: Thanks for the direction to that thread. I'm new here and had not seen it. I guess us frontline employees aren't as privy to this info even wh
30 TradewindL1011 : The chances of American buying Airbus again are as likely as the chances of TAP, RJ, BMI, or AerLingus buying Boeing again. -Trent
31 747-451 : "I think the reaction from Airbus after AA flight #587 crash has solidified the fact that AA is not buying Airbus, Airbus blamed AA's Maintenance prac
32 Gigneil : DL ordered new A310-300s, not just the Pan Am ones. AA was so furious with Boeing over the selection of the GE-90 over the Trent for the longer range
33 Stefandotde : "AA787: AA thinks first: Boeing - Boeing - Boeing " Is that the reason why AA is under Chapter 11?
34 Gigneil : They aren't. dot dot dot N
35 NWA742 : Is that the reason why AA is under Chapter 11? Are you saying that it would be different if they had an Airbus fleet? They're not under Chapter 11 any
36 ConcordeBoy : American has 777ER's in its long haul sector but, unlike most poeple here may think, they could choose the A340-500 over the 777-300ER for three reaso
37 Contrails : I don't think AA will buy from Airbus again any time soon. The relationship between the two companies is strained, to say the least. As for A340's, I
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