FA4UA From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 812 posts, RR: 21
Reply 2, posted (10 years 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 3870 times:
unless someone is bleeding, lost conciousness, having a heart attack or your passing out $100 bills, never touch the FA Service Button! If you want something get your butt out of the seat and ask politely in person.
The debate continues... Starwood or Hyatt... which is better
OPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3773 times:
In addition to those already mentioned, I always try to...
1/ Pay attention to the F/A's safety briefing, even though I've personally heard it a couple of gazillion times. If others see me put down my magazine and pay attention to the F/A's info, maybe some of those other (non-employee) folks will too.
2/ Volunteer for any seat at an emergency exit. When an F/A asks (just to makes sure) that anyone sitting there knows the exit/procedures, etc., I let them know I'm an employee.
3/ Be available to be re-seated (if I'm not on an exit) in the event that parties traveling together are separated, and my switching seats will allow them to sit together.
4/ When offered a meal/snack, always asking (even if I've listed) if they have enough for all the revenue pax.
5/ Spend one-on-one time with any fearful flyers, explaining stuff (in the most general of terms) that they may be freaking out about.
6/ Keep an eye out (especially since 9/11) for anything suspious, like other pax lighting fuses in their shoes....
Capicuuu From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2001, 53 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3697 times:
I wish my friend would follow your last point His wife works for Delta but he is not shy of letting others know about his way of getting in. I am fortunate to be in his good graces and will be flying non-rev to Madrid tomorrow, just making sure I have the slacks and dress shirt and hopefully I will have no problem to be up front.
DeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 3681 times:
No problem It usually works best, in any circumstance for that matter, when you don't seem advantaged to someone else. I sometimes tell the casual person sitting next to me if they seem interested and wouldn't mind, but to the top-notch business man who looks like he paid 3 grand for his seat, I wouldn't dare mention it.
Wear a tie..and perhaps a sport coat...does the charm all the time!
Usdcaguy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 852 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (10 years 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3649 times:
I find it best to smile and be pleasant to the gate agent. Also, actually ASKING for a seat assignment before your name is called is amazingly effective as many a gate agent can forget to clear the standby list until five minutes out, especially at smaller airports. Dressing well is also important; I always dress in slacks and dress shirt regardless of whether I'm flying coach or first class. If the cabin has at least a few people wearing good clothes, it can really class up the plane.
Blueskies31 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 13 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3609 times:
As a F/A, whenever a non-rev identifies him/herself to me during a meal service (which is most certainly the exception, not the rule) I go out of my way to 'reward' them...free drinks, extra goodies, whatever. They are doing the flight crew a service in case of a meal shortage (providing there is a meal these days) and in turn identifying themselves without being obnoxious. I'll never forget several years ago having an offline employee non-revving on a flight of mine intra-alaska. She ordered two gin and tonics, and as she was ordering she was twirliing her employee ID that was hanging around her neck as if to say, "um...I hope you're paying attention to my get-drink-free card". Felt like charging her double.
a young boy on a farm looks up at a jet flying overhead, and dreams of far away places...a businessman on the jet looks
Embqa From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9363 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (10 years 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3609 times:
As for your #1... Spot on...!! Just cuz' you've flown on a Delta MD-80 a zillion times, doesn't mean its set up the same as this airlines MD-80.........using this as just as an example.
The one thing I learned, along with using everything mentioned above, when the Gate Agent would say....."Well, things are kind of tight....No promises on 1st Class". I would always just say....."As long as I get home, I don't care where you put me." Guess where I was sitting............. Be kind, Be courteous, Be Polite, Don't be demanding......they owe you nothing.
AND.....as has been said above, REMEMBER who pays the bills....!! The people around you..!! They came FIRST.
[Edited 2004-02-25 03:40:50]
"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
DeltaAgent1 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 104 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (10 years 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 3583 times:
And also. Fellow Airline Colleagues deserve respect from their fellow airline colleagues. Because someone lists on a flight as a non-rev, whether they be from your own carrier or a competing carrier with a pass agreement, they deserve your utmost respect. They are not trying to get somethign for nothing. Remember---we all work very hard for these benefits. How many times have we worked Christmas Day, or any holiday for that matter. Stayed extremely late to meet an inbound flight, rebooked what seems like never ending lines of people when weather shuts us down, and the story goes on & on.
KKMolokai From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 760 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (10 years 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3550 times:
I think the number one rule should be, that each employee make themselves, and their guest travelers fully aware of the basic rules of non-rev travel. This will help ensure a seamless travel experience.
The best non-rev traveler is the one who goes unnoticed.
We are the people of American Airlines. And we know why you fly.
AirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (10 years 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3479 times:
One thing that is so important: Dont be rude to the gate agents or swear at the gate agents if you are bumped off of a flight. Ive seen that too many times, expecially with CO employees flying non-rev on AS in SEA. You are liable to lose your pass privilages if you do that.
ALSO......the one MOST IMPORTANT rule: DO NOT FLY ON YOUR SICK DAY! You can get fired for that!! I learned this the hard way but luckly I didnt lose my job at the time, but I should have been fired for that. Just be careful, if you have any questions about the rules of non-revving on your airline, check with your pass bureau. There are alot of rules, expecially with DL.
A Safe Flight Begins With Quality Maintenance On The Ground.
LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12825 posts, RR: 13
Reply 18, posted (10 years 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3464 times:
Question: can airline mechanics fly non-rev or reduced rev in recent years, and can they be asked to assist with repairs on a plane riding on?
I recall a story of a woman I worked with in the early 1990's (as a fellow legal assistant) who used to work with PanAm in NYC (JFK?) in a mechanics job (yes a woman!). From my recall of her story: she was on a PanAm flight in Karachi, Pakistan, the a/c had a hydraulic problem and not able to leave until it was checked/repaired; one of the f/a's came to her, told her of the problem; she then left her seat, brought outside the plane to check out the problem, it was then ok'd or she repaired the problem, then got back into her seat and the plane took off. Apparently hydraulics were her area of speciality. I always thought this was a cool story. She had a number of relatives whom worked for Pan Am and she went to NYC's Aviation HS. I believe she was working for Pan Am while going to college.
AirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 25
Reply 19, posted (10 years 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 3438 times:
It varies from airline to airline. But typically in this case non-revs are not allowed to perform duties while NOT on the clock. They are not in uniform first of all. But still how would this lady mechanic perform the work needed in order to get the plane off the ground without her tools and maintenance manuals? Was she an A&P "LICENSED" mechanic? Was the maintenance checked by an LICENSED A&P inspector? Did she have an 'return to service' authority? I have trouble buying that story, leaves me scratching my head. I think these questions are for a different topic.
But to anwser your question to the current topic, I say again: It varies from airline to airline. But typically in this case non-revs are not allowed to perform duties while NOT on the clock.
A Safe Flight Begins With Quality Maintenance On The Ground.
Mckennasmall From Canada, joined Dec 2003, 249 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (10 years 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 3387 times:
Well this is sorta a rule everytime I get upgraded when seats are not over sold I usually get them a little something and put it in their mallbox. i.e. Chocalotes , Tim Horton's Coffer Mug. You will not imagine how many times I have been upgraded. Just think about it.
Also always over to move around for other passengers.
AznCsa4qf744er From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 688 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (10 years 2 weeks 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 3288 times:
1. Have respect for that airlines do not wear Jean or sneakers. You're not going shopping or relaxing at home. Slack, buttons shirt and proper shoes is what you should be wearing regardless of what class you'll end up with.
2. After checking-in take off your ID and all possible items that expose yourself as an employee (ie. Crew tags, ID's etc.)
3. Do not bother the agent at the gate. They'll call you when its time.
4. You do as you're told by ground agents or F/A. The word No is no longer in your vocabulary (ie. You're bags too big, you need to moved seat a party of 3 not seating together, etc.)
5. Always say Please and Thank you.
6. Only used the F/A call button if it's 100% necessary. (Asking for a refill is not one of them and etc.)
7. You don't make a sense of any types. Do as you're told.
8. If seating in First class or Business class and notice a passengers from the back coach/economy class happen to join you. Please let the F/A know ASAP.
Have a great flight.
: #1 If you can't get away, have a backup plan - validate-able ticket, ID ticket on another carrier, or be prepared (ie. have enough clothes, toiletries
: I am a paying passenger but have a couple... I once sat next to a f/a in uniform on UA who was dead heading from LAX to HNL. I was in F on a three-cla
: I have never had a problem as a non-rev. I frequently get free upgrades, from my station manager. The flight attendants are very pleasant and helpful
: When I travel Non-Rev either D1 or D2 99.9% of the time is in first class so that means that basically the FAs are friendlier than in coach. Sometimes
: LTBEWR & AirframeAS, I don't mean to get off the subject but I wanted to share one of my personal experiences, Last August I was vacationing in BZE. I
: Heres the rules that I ussually go by: - Dress decently. - Be polite. - Dont ask for too much. - Dont crowd the area right by the gate. - Try not to a
: 1. Indentify yourself to the gate agent, ie. "Hi, I'm Natalie Smith and I'm standing by for your flight. I'll be right over here." Then go sit down an
: Ditto to a lot of the great points made above by everyone. I'll add one that no one has mentioned, and it may vary on a policy basis airline to airlin
: You know, some of you are making hte GA sounds like the anti-christ. You are all fellow employees. I am sure that if you treat them as you would want
: LTBEWR & AirframeAS & Airmech56, My Dad while a pilot for COex flew a EWR-BGR flight that he was origionally going to be non-reving on. Dont know what
: One rule I always pride myself is always dress in a tie and shirt. Even On Regional flights because it shows respect to the airline you are flying wit
: Buddy Pass NonRevs are usually more difficult to deal with than most, especially if the employee they got their buddy pass from did not inform them of
: I think the biggest thing in the Non-Rev world is just anticipate the worst. If you are dressed appropriately then you stand the better chance of gett
: Best tip I can give is: Tell the gate agent you are present at the gate, sit down and SHUT UP until she should happen to call you. Patience is usualy
: A good rule of mine for Buddy pass riders and especially eligible companions is you should fly along with the buddy pass or companion on their first N
: Have a contingency plan. Know what your options are and have a back-up plan and as FutureFO stated, plan for the worst. When I nonrev and a flight loo
: During Non-Rev travel, NEVER think of the advantages you would have had with a paid ticket!
: I always bring a snack or some food for the FLT attendants and crew when I get a chance on my way to or from work..You meet some great people commutin
: Like some said, don't act as if us ground agents all have this "God complex" whereby you must bow down to whatever we say. Personally, I prefer staff
: I always really enjoyed nonrev travel in the US (on the few occasions I did) - the gate staff would ALWAYS try and get you away, wherever there was a
: 1. Were you crew member badge 2. Say please and thank you 3. Inform asap the captain that you are onboard. I don't see why you are against the ID badg
: Totally agree with lh432. We are not sub-human
: ...here are a few more I can think of... 1) Get on last. 2) Get off last. 3) Be as discreet as possible. Other pax don't need to know you're flying fo
: I don't wear my badge outside when I non-rev, I tuck it in, but I have to have it - that's your way out of employee parking here in Denver. I am alway
: I think that we are talking about a non problem thing. When I travel to Italy or to visit my parents in EDI I travel as all the other passengers. I ha