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CO To Launch LTN-EWR And Reduce Capacity At LGW.  
User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2985 posts, RR: 2
Posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5307 times:

Hi Guys

I don't know if you can help me...

My friend works at LTN and rumours are rife around the airport that they have clinched a scheduled service with CO from LTN-EWR.

Has anyone else heard any news about this??? According to my mate CO are to launch the service during the summer month's and are going to reduce capacity on one of the LGW-EWR flights to a smaller aircraft and operate either a 752 or 762 from LTN to target the north London and home counties market.

If this is true it will be great for the airport, but I am however sceptical.


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User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2686 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5225 times:

Well, to start, its skeptical, not sceptical. But it's no big deal.

Anyway, rumors of CO from EWR to another UK airport such as CWF, Bristol, STN, or LTN have been floating around for a while, and I would not be surprised at all to see it happen, but I would think that they would have to announce something soon if they plan on starting it in the summer months.

I think that a 752 would be perfect for a route such as LTN, but once again, it's all rumors.


User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5185 times:

CO already flew from EWR to STN, so it can be possible that they now decided to serve LTN.

Patrick


User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2985 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5156 times:

I should have checked this before posting the news, but I have just checked BAA and Co's website for the timetable for flights from LGW-EWR and they are still quoting both of CO's twice daily flights are to be operated as 777's throughout the summer.

I was checking to see if one of the flights had been reduced to smaller aircraft like the 764 or 762.

No such luck!


User currently offlineJsnww81 From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 1991 posts, RR: 15
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5108 times:

Just to be a grammar pain-in-the-ass:  Smile

Common practice in the UK is to spell the word 'sceptical.' It's sort of like 'realise,' 'flavour' and 'centre'... little linguistic differences between British and American English. The More You Know... (cue nice music)

As for Continental serving LTN, I'd be mighty surprised to see it happen.


User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5044 times:

I'd be surprised too. I just don't see the market. I lived in London for six months last year, and everyone there seems to view Luton as out in the boonies. I think there are several UK airports that CO would be better suited for.


"Lose" is not spelled with two o's!!!!
User currently offlineCory6188 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2686 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5028 times:

Oh sorry - I didn't mean to be a pain. I had never realize that the Brits spell skeptical as sceptical. Apologies.  Innocent

User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5577 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5007 times:

I'd be surprised too. I just don't see the market. I lived in London for six months last year, and everyone there seems to view Luton as out in the boonies. I think there are several UK airports that CO would be better suited for.

There's something else. U2 has inexpensive flights out of LTN to a number of destinations that CO serves directly from the United States - CDG, AMS, MAD, GVA, ZRH, GLA, EDI, maybe one or two others. Budget-minded travelers heading to one of those places might find it cheaper to fly CO to LTN, and then take U2, rather than taking CO directly. That might be bad business for CO.



"Let me think about it" = the coward's way of saying "no"
User currently offlineIahcsr From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 3354 posts, RR: 42
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4937 times:
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While not out of the question, I would expect to see a return of EWRSTN before LTN. But only the folks down on Smith St. in Houston know for sure.


Working very hard to Fly Right....
User currently offlineTrident2e From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4936 times:

If this topic is a question, rather than a statement of fact, it should end with a question mark (one of these - ? - ). It's really irritating when threads are posted as fact when they're nothing more than idle speculation.

User currently offlineGilesdavies From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2985 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 4885 times:

I'd be surprised too. I just don't see the market. I lived in London for six months last year, and everyone there seems to view Luton as out in the boonies. I think there are several UK airports that CO would be better suited for.

LTN is closer to Central London that STN and similar distance as LGW. Also LTN boasts the M1 motorway on it's doorstep. (The main artery route from London to the Midlands, North of England and Scotland.)

Luton Airport Parkway railway station also boasts the only intercity raillinks of any of the London Airports to major centres like, Nottingham, Leicester, Derby, Sheffield, Leeds, Manchester, Liverpool, Glasgow, Milton Keynes and Birmingham. London is only 25mins away with upto 12 trains an hour.

I just had to clarify that as there are so many people always saying it's out of the way and knocking the airports location.

Luton may not boast the facilities of other major UK airports but does not have the financial might of BAA or UK tax payer behind it like other London Airport!


User currently offlineVC745D From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 214 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4783 times:

Oh sorry - I didn't mean to be a pain. I had never realize that the Brits spell skeptical as sceptical. Apologies.

Off topic, but related to skeptical/sceptical: has anyone noticed that Spell Check here often suggests US spellings be changed to British?


User currently offlineFlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2048 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4756 times:

VC745D, might that be because Mother knows best?  Wink/being sarcastic


Let's Go British Caledonian!
User currently offlineCoTXDFW777AA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 321 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 4699 times:

VC745- I think that has to do with how most people who are ESL learn a British form of English (colour/color) not American English. But, I could be wrong.

I really doubt CO starts LTN service, is there any chance CO could gain LHR slots. If US sold theirs could they be switched to EWR or IAH? Also, if they reduced capacity to LGW how would that effect the codeshare with EK.
(I'm not familiar with Bermuda ll)

-COTXDFW77AA



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User currently offlineArsenal@LHR From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2001, 7792 posts, RR: 20
Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4541 times:
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CO's LTN-EWR service has been mentioned in the local Lutonian newspapapers a few months ago. It would be a suprise move if CO did start it as i expected CO to return to Stansted before Luton.



In Arsene we trust!!
User currently offlineRiverVisualNYC From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 930 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4525 times:

CO would fly an ERJ transatlantic if it had the range!

User currently offlineHUYfan From United Kingdom, joined Oct 2001, 1401 posts, RR: 3
Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4532 times:

While we're on the subject of CO and it's European network, I think the UK has potential for expansion, what do you think about these possibilities?

EWR-LGW 772 1234567
EWR-LGW 772 1234567
EWR-STN 752 1234567
EWR-LTN 752 ---4567
EWR-BRS 752 1-3-567
EWR-BHX 764 1234567
EWR-MAN 772 1234567
EWR-BFS 752 ----567
EWR-NCL 752 1-3-567
EWR-EDI 752 1234567
EWR-GLA 764 1234567
IAH-LGW 772 1234567
IAH-LGW 772 1234567
IAH-MAN 762 1-3-567
CLE-LGW 762 1234567

Regards

Mike


User currently offlineAnt72LBA From United Kingdom, joined Jul 2003, 414 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4481 times:

Can't see it personally, I am no expert but it doesn't fit with their recent announcement of expanding the BHX operation which would compete with the SE Midlands/NW Home Counties market (M40 corridor?). LTNs advantage of rail connections means little; Manchester, Birmingham and Edinburgh have their own CO flights to EWR, Leeds, Sheffield and Liverpool are way too close to MAN to be worth considering as markets for LTN flights. Without knowing the precise economics of route planning I may be wrong but wouldn't more organic growth in the UK (short of LHR slots), i.e. larger planes/more flights from existing bases, make more sense?

User currently offlinePbb152 From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 608 posts, RR: 2
Reply 18, posted (10 years 1 month 3 weeks 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 4266 times:

RiverVisualNYC,

That joke was funny about five years ago. Pat yourself on the back pal! If you don't like CO's choice of aircraft then don't fly them. It's whiners like you who make it seem like CO is forcing people to fly these smaller aircraft. The fact is, these smaller planes are being used to open up new city-pairs and offer people the CHOICE of flying nonstop. People still have choices man. And ask yourself which of the big six is the most profitable. Maybe despite people like you who view transatlantic 757's and 2+ hour ERJ legs as torture there are plenty of others who are perfectly content with them. I guess the load factors will tell you.

Pete


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