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World's Smallest Bizjet!?  
User currently offlineRiverVisualNYC From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 930 posts, RR: 3
Posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 4217 times:

This company, the Aviation Technology Group in Denver, is apparently developing what must be the world's smallest multiengine bizjet, with 2 seats, called the Javelin. Does anyone here have any personal knowledge of this company or the aircraft, which as yet is apparently a paper airplane? I know alot of people are trying to build a small, inexpensive bizjet, and would be curious to know how this co's efforts stack up...

http://www.avtechgroup.com/index.htm


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User currently offlineLH477 From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 584 posts, RR: 5
Reply 1, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4124 times:

Honda has a created a proto with 2 jet engines for 4+2 or 5+1.
Preety cool. Love Honda, would love for them to enter the aviation industry.



Come on you gunners......!!!!!
User currently offlineSocalatc From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 528 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4086 times:

If Im not mistaken, that Javelin has flown and has several orders to it. It looks very similar to an F-18 with 2 seats, a nice size area for bags and I believe it is supposed to cruise somewhere in the area of the CitX. Looks like a wonderful airplane, and I think it will do very well.

As for the Honda jet. I think its the best looking small jet out there, I hope they decide to put it into production.

I would not say the new Javelin is the smallest jet, the former military trainer the Paris Jet is out there and it used for private transportation. It is a 2 person side by side jet, loud as hell!


User currently offlineFlyf15 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4074 times:

The smallest biz jet I know of....

Chicester-Miles Leopard (MTOW 4000lbs)


User currently offlineBongo From Colombia, joined Oct 2003, 1863 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3994 times:

Aprox. prices for one of those ? I'm still dreaming  Innocent


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User currently offlineWingnutMN From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 644 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3949 times:

How does the Eclipse jet figure into this idea of small bizjets. Last I heard they still were having problems with the engines? I love the design of the engine mounts on the new honda jet. VERY NICE!!!!

WingnutMN



Any landing you can walk away from is a good landing! It's a bonus if you can fly the plane again!!
User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4491 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3926 times:

I've seen several examples of the Aero L-39 Albatros used for private transportation (not exactly the definition of luxury...but it'll get you there..uhh...rather quickly)

I'll put that on my "If I win the lottery..." list  Big grin



I got my head checked--by a jumbo jet
User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29802 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3904 times:

What's his name, the guy that founded Atlas Air got himself killed in an L-39


OBAMA-WORST PRESIDENT EVER....Even SKOORB would be better.
User currently offlineBoeing nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3882 times:

Pfft. Jets are overrated.  Laugh out loud I'll save money and get myself a Lancair IV-P Propjet. Zoom!!  Big thumbs up

http://www.lancair-kits.com/Lancair_PropJet.html


User currently offlinePlanemaker From Tuvalu, joined Aug 2003, 6201 posts, RR: 35
Reply 9, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3842 times:

Honda and GE just signed a 50/50 JV to certify and market the Honda turbofan, no mention if Honda is going to build a jet. Related, is another JV with Continental to certify and build a piston aircraft engine. They had a prototype of it at Oshkosh.

Eclipse does not now have problems with their choce of jets - they did but not now. They chose the PWC 600 series, the same series that are going to power the Cessna Mustang.

There are several "personal" jets that are pipe dreams - the Javellin and Leopard fall into this category because they do not have the funds to be certified. There is another company in Florida that has a 4 place "kit" jet that uses re-conditioned GE turbojets that Bob Hoover has promoted. They too hope to obtain funds to certify their "little" poject with Willlliams turbofans.

The microjet field is littered with several multi-million attempts to get to market - Vantage, Century, Phoenix, BD-10, etc, etc. The cost of certification is a real project breaker, in the first instance!

The most realistic small jet project is the D-Jet from Diamond. It will be a single Willliams turbofan powered 5 seater that is due to fly this year.



Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind. - A. Einstein
User currently offlineRiverVisualNYC From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 930 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3726 times:

I think Planemaker's got it right, some of these people have more ideas than money, but I wonder, in that case why do they bother? It seems like underfunded entrepreneurs are starting small jet cos. the way they started internet companies in the mid '90s, and obviously very few if any will succeed longterm having to compete with the likes of Textron (Cessna) etc....Does anyone have any insight into the mentality behind all this?

User currently offlinePlanemaker From Tuvalu, joined Aug 2003, 6201 posts, RR: 35
Reply 11, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3623 times:

RiverVisualNYC:

I think that a big part of the mentality that drives the promoters/designers of these light jet projects is that they LOVE aviation. Another part is that they believe that they have designed a "better mousetrap" or that they are tapping into a market niche that hasn't been addressed - be it size, price, performance, etc. And, finally, jets are sexy.



Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind. - A. Einstein
User currently offlineRiverVisualNYC From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 930 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3619 times:

Can't argue with that last point, makes for great cocktail party conversation if nothing else! Do you think any of these guys think they can sell their design to a larger company that has the financial resources to build it? Has that happened before?

User currently offlineJetChaser From Canada, joined Dec 2003, 187 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3533 times:


Riv;

The Javelin looks a little too "military" for me but I wouldn't turn it down if it was part of my Price is Right Showcase Smile

L-188;

I think we're talking about Michael Chowdry who had a CL600, then a CL604 and finally a BBJ (N737MC) that I saw at PDK one year for the NBAA.

JetChaser


User currently offlinePlanemaker From Tuvalu, joined Aug 2003, 6201 posts, RR: 35
Reply 14, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3475 times:

RiverVisualNYC:

I don't think that any of these guys started out with the idea of selling their ideas to a larger company. However, when they did run out of money, a few did get bought out. More recently, Mooney almost bought Century jet, and Vantage has already burned through the cash of the second owner.

BTW, the Adams 700 (very well funded) will be the first "micro jet" on the market - first delivery is supposedly before the end of this year. They flew a prototype to Oshkosh last summer and sort of shocked the industry.



Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind. - A. Einstein
User currently offlineFlygMolinaFmly From Brazil, joined Jan 2004, 107 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3464 times:

Wasn't there something about the smallest jet in a James Bond movie? Can some recall what I'm trying to think about?

Gabe



"When once you have tasted flight, you will forever walk the earth with your eyes turned skyward, for there you have bee
User currently offlinePlanemaker From Tuvalu, joined Aug 2003, 6201 posts, RR: 35
Reply 16, posted (10 years 7 months 1 week 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 3441 times:

Yes, that was the BD-5Jet. It is a homebuilt design by Jim Bede that was originally powered by a 25 HP engine.



Nationalism is an infantile disease. It is the measles of mankind. - A. Einstein
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