B741 From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 716 posts, RR: 1 Posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 3486 times:
I think this post might raise a few heads. I read in Airliners magazine that TWA flew Constellation Jetstreams from California to Europe nonstop in the late 50s. The westbound return was 20+ hours nonstop. They flew with reduced power to conserve fuel. Kind of puts our modern long haul flights to shame in terms of duration!
RareBear From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 553 posts, RR: 0 Reply 2, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3327 times:
These non-stop flights of 20 hours or more were possible only with the L-1649 series Starliners. TWA called them the Jetstream. Only three airlines flew them originally. TWA, Lufthansa and Air France
The wings on these aircraft were an entirely new design from the L-1049 series, and had more than twice the fuel capacity. It was primarily the west-bound flights that were the longest, timewise, due to typically strong headwinds.
BA747400 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 428 posts, RR: 3 Reply 3, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3282 times:
This may be a silly question but why is SQ making such a big deal about their 18 hr flight? I was under the impression that it was the longest PAX flight of all time....but now I read others have had even longer. Hmmmm
RareBear From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 553 posts, RR: 0 Reply 4, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3232 times:
There's nothing to clear up. These flights by the L-1649 Starliners were fact. It appears that if SQ is indeed saying that their 18-hr flight are the longest of all time, then they obviously haven't done their homework.
Boeing nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 6, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 3135 times:
If I'm not mistaken, the aircraft of this area were configured with much more luxurious interiors. Beds for all passengers were a part of it. Flying in those days was more oriented for the wealthier group of people.
Timz From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 6630 posts, RR: 7 Reply 8, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 1 hour ago) and read 2372 times:
"You fools" is "inappropriate"? Ugh.
I doubt that the TW 1649s had "beds for all passengers", but I'll check.
I've always wondered whether they could've made the trip faster by flying at a higher power setting and stopping at Frobisher or Sondre Stromfjord. And we'd still like to know what percentage of the trips did make it nonstop (you recall the timetable noted that a fuel stop may be made).
WGW2707 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 1197 posts, RR: 37 Reply 9, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks ago) and read 2170 times:
The TWA L1649s were highly luxurious aircraft...I'm sure the seats were vastly superior to those you find on today's 777 and A330 aircraft working similiar flights...also the L1649 was much better looking!
However, what detracted from the added comfort was the extreme noise and vibration. While on the Starliner it wasn't nearly as bad as on earlier propliners I still imagine (although this is speculation because obviously I was born nearly 40 years after the heydey of these flights) that it was substantially less smooth and quiet as a flight on a jetliner. I imagine that stepping off of these L1649s at the end of a flight one would feel extremely fatigued and exhausted.
However...not nearly as exhausted as someone stepping off of the QANTAS "Double Sunrise" flight. 32 hours in an unpressurized demilitarized flying boat!!! Somewhat like a form of torture really...probably worse even than flying AOM ORY-LAX nonstop...
One other comment:
Your language is highly inappropriate in this forum. This is a rule violation.
I've seen much worse. Please remember to use the suggest deletion button if anything offends you. Though it's out of my league as far as I can tell it wasn't a rule violation anyway as it wasn't directed towards any user in particular...in the chat we would not take action if someone said that unless they did it repeatedly and in a manner that was disruptive and offensive to the other users.
RareBear From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 553 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 2114 times:
A reading of the rules, especially 1a and 6, would lead me to respectfully disagree with you. I think the phraseology in question meets the intent of the last sentence in Rule 1a. I see nowhere in the rules that the words are required to be addressed to a partiicular individual.
The fact that you have seen worse in no way detracts from this instance.
By the way, the "Suggest deletion" function was utilized.
5NEOO From Nigeria, joined Nov 2003, 210 posts, RR: 0 Reply 12, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 13 hours ago) and read 1708 times:
There seems to be some form of misunderstanding here. The SIN-LAX route operated by SQ is the longest scheduled flight in the form of distance flown. The flights operated by TWA and their Connies might have spent a lot more time up in the air, but they certainly didn't cover that much ground.
Admit it, you could care less about the continent Africa!
RareBear From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 553 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 1519 times:
The original topic of this post dealt with the 20-hour plus flight duration of the L-1649 Constellation. We were not discussing miles flown.
The production of the L-1649 Starliners was only 44 aircraft. Sadly, only 4 remain today. One is in a museum in South Africa, another is in the Fantasy of Flight Museum in Polk City, FL, and the other two are at the airport in Auburn, Maine. Three of the four are owned by one individual, Maurice Roundy, who has the two Starliners in his front yard in Maine. He also owns the one in Florida. Here are photos of two of the four remaining aircraft:
Thrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2686 posts, RR: 10 Reply 16, posted (9 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 1326 times:
TWA bought the ultimate Constellation for that route, the Lockheed 1649A Starliner, or Jetstreams, as TWA called them. They had a range unsurpassed by the Douglas DC-7C, 6,000 miles! That is longer range than the 764ER, and the early 747 miles. Amazing how long they could fly, given their inferior speed to the jets.