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AC//AC & JM Join Forces!  
User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Posted (10 years 5 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1930 times:

On April 5, 2004, concurrent with Air Jamaica's planned return to Toronto, JM & AC have entered into an expanded codesharing agreement between Canada and Jamaica.

JM will commence daily non-stop A321 service between YYZ & KIN. In addition, AC will offer twice-weekly A319 service (TU & FR), for a total of 9 weekly flights. A substantial increase over the previous 5 weekly flights operated solely by AC.

AC will offer daily non-stop A320 service between YYZ & MBJ.

Both carriers will codeshare on each others services, and to the respective destinations, and effective April 6th will welcome customers at Toronto T1New.

ROD

P.S. In essence AC is "freeing up" A 762/763 on the KIN route. Wonder where it will be reallocated to??

[Edited 2004-02-27 00:49:29]


Above and Beyond
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User currently offlineA330Jamaica From Canada, joined Dec 2003, 59 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 5 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1888 times:

This is not what I was hoping for. That means that fares will continue to be high given that the airlines are still in bed with each other. I expected true competition on the route.

User currently offlineAirCanadaMan From Canada, joined Feb 2000, 465 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 5 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1867 times:

Didn't this occur a ways back, (1996, 1997ish?) when the two used to codeshare? (Mind you, it could of been even earlier)

It fell through then, (Perhaps cause of the advent of Star etc.) yet they have decided to recommence codesharing, must of been some mighty good incentive concerning both parties.

Unless, of course, I'm mistaken.


User currently offlineBMIFlyer From UK - England, joined Feb 2004, 8810 posts, RR: 58
Reply 3, posted (10 years 5 months 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 1862 times:

Maybe this means that JM will be a future "Star" carrier??


Sometimes You Can't Make It On Your Own
User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (10 years 5 months 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 1837 times:

When JM pulled out of YYZ in 1991, they negotiated a close-ended codeshare with AC, meaning they purchased approximately 20-25 Y/C seats per flight to KIN and MBJ respectively.

JM's mandate is to serve cities with high Jamaican populations, which makes you wonder why/how they would have pulled the plug in the first place. I know that Canadians of Jamaican descent have been screaming for repatriated JM service for a decade.

I know from the AC end, they will be purchasing 30 Y/C seats on JM078/JM079(AC9830/AC9831), which will be operating an A321 with 12 Top Class and 176 economy seats. Must be a tight pitch as AC's 321's hold 166 total (24J/142Y).

Ironically, JM's inaguration will be on the last day of OldT1, April 5/2004.

A330JAMAICA - Still plenty of competition with the charters such as TS and SSV. Introductory fare I believe through the summer of $499.00 CAD, which is pretty decent.



Above and Beyond
User currently offlineYulguy From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 246 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 5 months 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 1801 times:

It's good to know that JM is returning to YYZ. Given that Toronto has the largest Jamaican population outside the Caribbean island, I guess it makes sense. I know that AC used to own a good portion of Air Jamaica; does anyone know when they sold their shares?


"Celui qui diffère de moi, loin de me léser, m'enrichit." - Saint-Exupéry
User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12
Reply 6, posted (10 years 5 months 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 1733 times:

Air Canada had a minority interest in Air Jamaica until the late 70's, at which time through the governement, JM acquired back the outstanding shares.

ROD



Above and Beyond
User currently offlineJm017 From Jamaica, joined Jun 2002, 1227 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (10 years 5 months 6 days 5 hours ago) and read 1689 times:

So AC will serve YYZ-MBJ primarily and JM will serve YYZ-KIN exclusively? I hope i am wrong, but it seems that, as A330Jamaica said, there isnt true competition. For me personally, I have never considered taking chartered aircraft when i travel anywhere.


"It's okay to cheat, if you just really don't like to lose."
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16245 posts, RR: 56
Reply 8, posted (10 years 5 months 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 1653 times:

Air Canada had a minority interest in Air Jamaica until the late 70's, at which time through the governement, JM acquired back the outstanding shares.

True. AC had a 40% share of JM when JM was set up in the early 70's. The early JM fleet was a DC-8-61 and 3 DC-9-30's which were common to the AC fleet. A DC-8-62 (which AC did not operate) was also added. All these aircraft were used on the YYZ service (yup, even the DC-9's). JM also ordered 1 L-1011 in 1972 which was cancelled before delivery. When AC ordered its first 722's in 1973, JM also ordered 4 722's. From about 1975 to 1980, the JM 722's operated into YYZ some via PHL with fifth freedoms. From 1980, the A300 was used on YYZ services until JM pulled out of YYZ.

In summer 88, JM contracted with Worldways to operate a daily DC-8 YYZ-MBJ-KIN-YYZ. One WG DC-8 had joint Worldways/Air Jamaica titles for a while.

Lkg fwd to seeing JM return to YYZ! Glad to see it's the 321 also!








Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineVonRichtofen From Canada, joined Nov 2000, 4627 posts, RR: 36
Reply 9, posted (10 years 5 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1625 times:

You'll get some more competition to Jamaica once WJ picks up some more planes provided that AC doesn't cry to the government every time WJ gets another gate.


Word
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32620 posts, RR: 72
Reply 10, posted (10 years 5 months 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 1613 times:

Maybe this means that JM will be a future "Star" carrier??

No, not at all.

airJamaica also has a codesharing deal with Delta that is extremely extensive.



a.
User currently offlineLymanm From Canada, joined Jan 2001, 1138 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (10 years 5 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 1592 times:

"You'll get some more competition to Jamaica once WJ picks up some more planes provided that AC doesn't cry to the government every time WJ gets another gate."

With all due respect, WJ hasn't even started their YYZ expansion, nor any US sked, let alone international flying beyond the odd charter. Cockiness in the context of this topic & situation is simply bewildering.



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