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NWA Boeing 777-300ER Or Airbus A340-500/600?  
User currently offlineKEESJE From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 21203 times:

What will Northwest Airlines select if they start replacing all DC10/ older 747's (on top of 330-200/300), if they can start investing again ?

A340-500/600 ?


or

Boeing 777-200ER/300ER


New 747-400ER (adv) is possible too, however not many are sold lately.

Somewhere in the next 5 year they could make a decision, range / cargo capasity is important on their many Pacific routes ..


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User currently offlineEGFFbmi From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 21015 times:

I'm not to sure if they'll get either, maybe just increase the number of A332's and A333's... but if they did opt for a bigger aircraft I would guess it would be..

The A340-500/600

Reason

NWA is going for an all airbus fleet so this aircraft would allow any pilot trained on one of the other Airbus aircraft would be able to fly it... SIMPLE!

Regards,

Milo


User currently offlineBoeing nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 20942 times:

I agree. With the A330 already in the fleet, it just makes sense. One could argue that the 777 would have cockpit commonality with the 744, but there are slight differences between the two. The A345 would be an interesting addition for NW's pacific routes too.

P.S. I'd love to see someone put the red, black and gray stripped livery on the A345. That would look good IMO.


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 20734 times:

NWA is going for an all airbus fleet

...uh, no they arent.

Anderson has stated time and time again that they have no intention of going to a single supplier.


User currently offlineDesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7780 posts, RR: 16
Reply 4, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 20580 times:

As the current future of the 747-200 fleet is still in limbo NW can do many things. If demand for transpac and Asian regional traffic moves up I could see Northwest keeping the 747-200s longer. If demand is soft I can easily see them adding a few A330-200/300s to their current order to replace the DC-10s and 747-200s still flying. They could also pick up a few new or used 747-400s as well.

It seems that Northwest is VERY flexible in its fleet decisions and when they finally do decide to make a major order it will be because the aircraft fits the needed mission profile the best.



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User currently offlineYUL332LX From Canada, joined Feb 2004, 820 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 20545 times:

NWA has no need for the A345 but the 346 could easily replace the 742s if NWA ever decides to get rid of them.

They’ll have to replace them within 30 years or so (just like the DC9s)! Big grin



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User currently offlineSyncmaster From United States of America, joined Jul 2002, 2032 posts, RR: 10
Reply 6, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 20461 times:
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NW is NOT going to an All Airbus fleet, they just bought 753's that will be around for a while, as well as more 744's. They are going for whatever is cheaper in the long run, weather it be Airbus or Boeing.

User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 20361 times:

I hope they go for the B777 but I think it is more likely they will go for the A340 for the same reason EGFFbmi gave.


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User currently offlineAa787 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 610 posts, RR: 12
Reply 8, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 20171 times:

NWA will replace the 742's and the DC9's when most airlines retire their 7E7's  Big grin


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User currently offlineHeavierthanair From Switzerland, joined Oct 2000, 797 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 20112 times:

G'day

Would someone please alert the driver of that 345 that the center gear has not extended. The red bulb for the center gear may have burnt out - pardon me - that particular section of the display may not be working.

Cheers

Peter



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User currently offlineCoa764 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 328 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 20090 times:

For commonality and cost issues the A340 would be the wise choice


Please oh please Mr Moderator Nazi, dont delete my thread.
User currently offlineDelta767-400er From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 11 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 20025 times:

Whatever NWA chooses it will have to have a Pratt&Whitney engine for it. So far the only engine for the B777-300ER is the GE 90-115B and on the A340-500/600 is the Rolls-Royce Trent 553 and 556 series engines and NWA does not prefer either of them so P&W will have to make an engine for them.




Let's see what they decide


User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7410 posts, RR: 50
Reply 12, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 20022 times:
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The engine types offered are not compatible with what they want.


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User currently offlineJBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4491 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 19965 times:

NWA is going for an all airbus fleet

Source please.

Baseless comments such as these really detract from the usefulness of the forums and, quite frankly, make them a laughingstock among industry insiders.



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 19901 times:

NW stated in their release as to why they chose the A330 as their transatlantic ship that, should they choose a 300-350seater, PW engines would not be a limiting factor.

PW-powered 772s are looked upon unfavorably; and PW engines are not, nor will they ever be, an optin on the 777NGs.

Something of an advantage to Airbus is that they could theoretically offer the A340NGs with PW engines, should sufficient demand be proven.



User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 23
Reply 15, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 19859 times:

According to a news release by NW a couple of years ago, the 757-300 is replacing the DC10-40, what NW referred to as the domestic version. The A 330 will replace the Model 30, with NW referred to in the same newsrelease as the international version. Don't look for the 747-400 to be replaced for a while, with only one or two cycles a day, they may outlast the DC 9's.
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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 84
Reply 16, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 19854 times:

The 777-300ER/-200LR will never have any other engine than the one it has.

The 345/346 could easily get a Pratt engine, assuming Pratt had one.

I wouldn't expect 777s or 340s, just more 330 flying.

N


User currently offlineJwenting From Netherlands, joined Apr 2001, 10213 posts, RR: 18
Reply 17, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 19672 times:

hmm, given that KLM supposedly got A330s because NWA has them (real reason is more likely that AF wants them), the logical choice would be NWA getting 777s because KLM has them  Laugh out loud


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User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16281 posts, RR: 56
Reply 18, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 19572 times:

NW's long haul needs based on their current network can be satisfied by the 744, 332/333. Since most of their Asia services hub thru NRT, there is no need for an ultra-range aircraft.

If NW evers decides to operate Asia nonstops bypassing the NRT hub, then a small fleet of 345/772LR gauge aircraft would be needed, but it would remain unlikely that NW would add another type or subtype in only small numbers.




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineFrontiers4ever From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 173 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 19447 times:

Doesnt GE have a exclusive contract for the 300ER/200LR engines with Boeing?
I think i remember something like that but I am probably wrong.

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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 19414 times:

Doesnt GE have a exclusive contract for the 300ER/200LR engines with Boeing?

yep


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16281 posts, RR: 56
Reply 21, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 8 hours ago) and read 19110 times:

Doesnt GE have a exclusive contract for the 300ER/200LR engines with Boeing?

Yes, in theory. At least until a customer comes along with a prospective order for 20 772LR/773ER with RR or PW engines. Then, things will change.







Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineKorg747 From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 549 posts, RR: 5
Reply 22, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 19000 times:

"Yes, in theory. At least until a customer comes along with a prospective order for 20 772LR/773ER with RR or PW engines. Then, things will change."

I don't think so. GE is and will be the only engine available for the 773ER/772LR. GE and Boeing signed an exclusive agreement.




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User currently offlineBoeing nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 18999 times:

Doesnt GE have a exclusive contract for the 300ER/200LR engines with Boeing?

Yes, in theory. At least until a customer comes along with a prospective order for 20 772LR/773ER with RR or PW engines. Then, things will change.


Don't hold your breath. It'll take a bigger block order than 20-30 frames to override the GE exclusive deal. I'm not sure, but I think Boeing is legally obligated to offer GE's only.


User currently offlineNlink From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 313 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 18808 times:

I am sure there is a time period when that is up, doubt Boeing would sign something that would potentiality damage sales long term, so maybe 5 years they can offer another engine. That is just a theory, I haven't really researched it.

25 Baw2198 : NW would be smart if they went for the 777-300. Reason being is the versitility it would give NW. If the overseas market slows down (ie another sars c
26 Gigneil : You could at least go coast to coast with the 777 and not have it be a wasted resource. A 777-300 for any US carrier on domestic services would be a
27 Baw2198 : A 777-300 for any US carrier on domestic services would be a waste. Like using a 763/4 isn't? Ok, all-be-it that the 773ER/LR holds 80-90 pax more, if
28 Thales007 : I am sure there is a time period when that is up, doubt Boeing would sign something that would potentiality damage sales long term, so maybe 5 years t
29 Rjpieces : Baw1298, it is not that simple. Fleet planning is very complex and not as simple as "80 more pax, it can be done." Just to go on your example: To oper
30 N79969 : If NWA ever decides to get something between the 330 and 747, I think the B777 has a really good chance of being selected-. If a company like Air Fran
31 Maiznblu_757 : I hope NW goes with the A340. Besides it making sense, fitting in with their fleet plans, its a great looking plane.
32 Korg747 : You guys talk as if the Regular 773 will not do it for NW. It can have Pw engines and has some what a common cockpit with the 744s. Doesn't the 773 ha
33 ConcordeBoy : It can have Pw engines and has some what a common cockpit with the 744s. NW has already illustrated its frustration in the PW4090 powered 773; only on
34 Sv11 : I think NWA is going to operate the twin A330-200 over the Pacific. If that works well for them, they might order a bigger twin like the 777-300ER to
35 Baw2198 : Rjpieces I was meerly making the point to "Gigneil" that the 777-300ER/LR would NOT be a wasted resource as far as using them on the domestic side. M
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