Lhr001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 5643 times:
American Airlines will be offering 3 daily DFW-LGW services in 2004!
AA 80 (New)
AA 81 (New)
This is excellent news for passengers on the West Coast and in the state of Texas... it would appear as if American Airlines is truly on the path to recovery and the British market will again be it’s strong point!
LambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2087 posts, RR: 34
Reply 5, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 5478 times:
Blink, I've actually heard the same on the board and if I remember correctly last summer. Something like BWI, DFW, and DTW are having problems with revenue, not completely sure though.
3rd daily.....sheesh....the rich get richer.
Ssides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 20
Reply 6, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 5435 times:
Well, the flight is not quite daily, it's a little sporadic -- but it has been expanded; it's definitely enough to say that there are officially three AA DFW-LGW flights.
Blink and Lambertman --
I've heard the same thing regarding BA at DFW. I've flown DFW-LGW several times in the past year on AA, and those flights are much fuller than they have been in previous years.
There are many factors that have affected BA's service. First, AA is looking to its international routes in order to restore profitability, primarily because the travellers are higher-yield and there is no LCC competition to speak of. After the de facto closing of the STL hub, they surely didn't want to completely get rid of the STL-LGW flight. Second, given the regulatory environment out there, any hint of collusion between AA and BA at DFW would probably raise significant eyebrows in the antitrust community. Third, there is not much real difference in the products offered by BA and AA. Both are oneworld members, and both are flying to LGW. If BA were able to fly to LHR, I think it would get more passengers.
I think that BA will hold out at DFW, however, and see how things develop. When the new International Terminal D is complete in early 2005, there may be more opportunities for oneworld connections. Also, if AA and BA can get approval to expand there codeshare, these opportunities will hopefully grow. However, with the market saturated with three 777s and one 767, it may be hard for BA to make money. I doubt that BA would ever leave DFW; I don't think the airport would ever allow that to happen, but I do hope that things get better for them.
N276AASTT From US Virgin Islands, joined Jan 2004, 620 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5284 times:
I have worked for AA @ DFW for years now, and I've wondered why BA uses a gate at the B Terminal? I thought with their Oneworld connection with AA that they would take full advantage of it by using one of AA's gates at the A Terminal, ticket agents and ground crews. AA gave those services to LACSA, TACA (still), Canadian, and Sabena when they served DFW. I think that if they co-ordinated that, BA's load factors would go up. But, I realize they wouldn't want to loose the landing slot that used to be the STL-LGW route.
FlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2160 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 5218 times:
Maybe BA's fortunes will pick up on LGW-DFW with the fact that it is able to codeshare beyond DFW with AA. I agree that it would probably love to get that service to LHR, but not going to happen for a while.
From what has been said on other threads PHX is another BA US city with low yield - supposedly the 6x weekly 744 this summer is to try and improve that (With LH having dropped PHX).
Separately, anyone know how LGW-ATL does for BA given DL is operating so many LGW-ATL flights?
Bartond From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 792 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 4486 times:
SES - What kind of a post is that? Someone's just mentioning expanded service from DFW and the ramifications it will/might have. Noone said anything about Atlanta...if you want to talk about that airport, start up a thread. It cracks me up how people get personal about their airports on this website - if something good happens for a "competing" airport, people get all worked up over it.
ConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 4365 times:
Barton... pot, kettle, black
Unless I'm mistaken, all SES was trying to say is that if the world's largest hub can support 4+1 daily flights to LGW.... then it's not that much of a stretch to think that the world's second largest hub can support 3+1. That's all
SESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3523 posts, RR: 9
Reply 24, posted (11 years 5 months 1 week 22 hours ago) and read 4229 times:
Thank you ConcordeBoy for explaining my rationale. Bartond, for your information I don't even live in Atlanta, I'm from Minneapolis, I wasn't pumping up ATL, I was just stating a fact. AA and AA Eagle have over 780 daily flights from DFW and the city is also one of the 10 largest O&D cities in the country, so I was just saying that that makes sense to have 3 daily flights. I just love it when people think that they can ridicule someone else over a post when they don't even know what they're talking about.
: Okay, okay my bad Jeremy I misinterpreted what you meant by it. Dammit I hate being wrong. I hope the third flight will work but I've been checking th
: AA may not have an extra 777 for the newer DFW-LGW route. The STL-LGW route was a 763, so that is definitely a factor. I would hope that one day it co
: True, SSides, I'm not sure there's enough total traffic to fill 4 772s on that route. But you raised a good question earlier - how is BA doing on thei
: DFW hasn't done a very good job of maintaining efficiency with its tram system for connections from flights like the BA LGW flight It's even worse no
: If DFW could get LHR slots Not without an ammendment to Bermuda II... the traffic is definitely there to warrant a switch, but so are two airlines.
: Yeah you're right about the Bermuda issue, Concorde, I had forgotten about that. I still don't quite understand what relevance that has and how they c
: I still don't quite understand what relevance that has and how they choose what cities get LHR service. What are the restrictions? The 12 cities which
: Thank you for the clarification. Something I've always wondered about. Maybe things will change at some point when your southern cities start to eclip
: What happened/will happen to the SAN slot at LHR? The slot is apparently being used elsewhere. As for the route authority... dunno. I'm still not sure
: Speakin of threads that need to be resurrected, I believe there's one about rumours of new international service to DFW that needs revitalizing. Anyon
: Anyone heard anything? nothing that hasnt been said ten times before