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AA To Operate 3 Daily DFW-LGW!  
User currently offlineLhr001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5095 times:

American Airlines will be offering 3 daily DFW-LGW services in 2004!

DFW-LGW

AA 80 (New)
300p-615a
767-300

AA 50
505p-800a
777-200

AA 78
710p-1005a
777-200

LGW-DFW

AA 51
1025a-220p
777-200

AA 81 (New)
1200n-420p
767-300

AA 79
230p-625p
777-200


This is excellent news for passengers on the West Coast and in the state of Texas... it would appear as if American Airlines is truly on the path to recovery and the British market will again be it’s strong point!


LHR001

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User currently offlineCoa764 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 328 posts, RR: 3
Reply 1, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5049 times:

Disregard...
Just came off a stretch of 12 hr shifts w/little sleep.... TKS for the correction

[Edited 2004-02-29 07:25:02]

[Edited 2004-02-29 07:25:51]


Please oh please Mr Moderator Nazi, dont delete my thread.
User currently offlineLhr001 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5036 times:

Coa764.....


Know the feeling...


Have a good one!



LHR001

[Edited 2004-02-29 07:28:53]

User currently offlineBlink182 From Azerbaijan, joined Oct 1999, 5480 posts, RR: 15
Reply 3, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4990 times:

Good news, but from a spotter's perspective, it would have been nice if BA added a second flight rather than AA.

Does anyone know how BA is doing out of DFW? I've heard that they don't make much money flying LGW-DFW, even with AA connections in DFW.

blink



Give me a break, I created this username when I was a kid...
User currently offlineLegacyins From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2054 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4948 times:

"This is excellent news for passengers on the West Coast"

I do not see why it would concern those individuals on the West Coast. There are ample non-stops on various carriers from the West Coast into LHR.



John@SFO
User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2070 posts, RR: 36
Reply 5, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4930 times:

Blink, I've actually heard the same on the board and if I remember correctly last summer. Something like BWI, DFW, and DTW are having problems with revenue, not completely sure though.
3rd daily.....sheesh....the rich get richer. Big grin


User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 6, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4887 times:

Well, the flight is not quite daily, it's a little sporadic -- but it has been expanded; it's definitely enough to say that there are officially three AA DFW-LGW flights.

Blink and Lambertman --

I've heard the same thing regarding BA at DFW. I've flown DFW-LGW several times in the past year on AA, and those flights are much fuller than they have been in previous years.

There are many factors that have affected BA's service. First, AA is looking to its international routes in order to restore profitability, primarily because the travellers are higher-yield and there is no LCC competition to speak of. After the de facto closing of the STL hub, they surely didn't want to completely get rid of the STL-LGW flight. Second, given the regulatory environment out there, any hint of collusion between AA and BA at DFW would probably raise significant eyebrows in the antitrust community. Third, there is not much real difference in the products offered by BA and AA. Both are oneworld members, and both are flying to LGW. If BA were able to fly to LHR, I think it would get more passengers.

I think that BA will hold out at DFW, however, and see how things develop. When the new International Terminal D is complete in early 2005, there may be more opportunities for oneworld connections. Also, if AA and BA can get approval to expand there codeshare, these opportunities will hopefully grow. However, with the market saturated with three 777s and one 767, it may be hard for BA to make money. I doubt that BA would ever leave DFW; I don't think the airport would ever allow that to happen, but I do hope that things get better for them.



"Lose" is not spelled with two o's!!!!
User currently offlineAA787 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 610 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4763 times:

The 3rd flight was added in order to make up for the discontinued 763 out of STL.

If someone wanted to go from the west coast to London, they would either fly direct or not go out of their way to DFW and instead go to ORD or JFK.

AA787



ET In NYC
User currently offlineN276AASTT From US Virgin Islands, joined Jan 2004, 620 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 10 hours ago) and read 4736 times:

I have worked for AA @ DFW for years now, and I've wondered why BA uses a gate at the B Terminal? I thought with their Oneworld connection with AA that they would take full advantage of it by using one of AA's gates at the A Terminal, ticket agents and ground crews. AA gave those services to LACSA, TACA (still), Canadian, and Sabena when they served DFW. I think that if they co-ordinated that, BA's load factors would go up. But, I realize they wouldn't want to loose the landing slot that used to be the STL-LGW route.


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User currently offlineFlyCaledonian From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2072 posts, RR: 3
Reply 9, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4670 times:

Maybe BA's fortunes will pick up on LGW-DFW with the fact that it is able to codeshare beyond DFW with AA. I agree that it would probably love to get that service to LHR, but not going to happen for a while.

From what has been said on other threads PHX is another BA US city with low yield - supposedly the 6x weekly 744 this summer is to try and improve that (With LH having dropped PHX).

Separately, anyone know how LGW-ATL does for BA given DL is operating so many LGW-ATL flights?



Let's Go British Caledonian!
User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 10, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4602 times:

There goes, teh news for any STL-LGW. Maybe BA will pikc up the slot for the STL-LGW-STL route?? Congrats to DFW for getting the new routes NOW FOCUS ON STL AA!!

Alex



Good things come to those who wait, better things come to those who go AFTER it!
User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4588 times:

Great news for AA and make did recovery on their flight from DFW-LGW flight. It would be fine for them into their flight.

User currently offlineAa777flyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 9 hours ago) and read 4574 times:

This flight operated last year (AA80) after the STL cuts. It will be an additional seasonal service from DFW.

User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 13, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4448 times:

There goes, teh news for any STL-LGW. Maybe BA will pikc up the slot for the STL-LGW-STL route?? Congrats to DFW for getting the new routes NOW FOCUS ON STL AA!!

The STL-LGW slot is what made the third DFW-LGW flight possible -- AA just transferred the rights from STL to DFW, so now there is no STL-LGW slot.

This flight operated last year (AA80) after the STL cuts. It will be an additional seasonal service from DFW.


I just looked at AA's timetable, and now it's more than "seasonal." Looks like it is scheduled to operate about 4-5 times per week throughout the year, depending on the time of year.



"Lose" is not spelled with two o's!!!!
User currently offlineBCAInfoSys From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4430 times:

When I first read the thread, my mind thought LGA instead of LGW. I was thinking, "3x daily from Dallas to New York with 763s and 772s?!?! Is there really that much demand to NY?"

LOL.. funny how the mind works, eh?  Big grin


User currently offlineChris78cpr From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 2819 posts, RR: 51
Reply 15, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4406 times:

Good, i look forward to seeing something other than an AA772 at LGW!!!

Anyone know when the new flight will come into effect???

Chris



5D2/7D/1D2(soon to be a 1Dx) 17-40L/24-105L/70-200F2.8L/100-400L/24F1.4LII/50F1.2L/85F1.2LII
User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 16, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 6 hours ago) and read 4381 times:

Chris, it's been there for a while. The 763 arrives early in the morning and leaves at noon. It's the first flight in, but the second flight out.


"Lose" is not spelled with two o's!!!!
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32620 posts, RR: 72
Reply 17, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4249 times:

This flight has been operating since December or so. The expanded service was announced in October:

http://www.amrcorp.com/news/october03/31_dfw.htm



a.
User currently offlineAA787 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 610 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 4 hours ago) and read 4230 times:

BCA-They probably could operate 10 777s from DFW-LGA!!

Of course after landing they would go off the end of the 7000ft runway into the water!

AA787



ET In NYC
User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 19, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4138 times:

ssides- are you telling me that STL no longer has a LGW slot? So we will never get it back?

Alex



Good things come to those who wait, better things come to those who go AFTER it!
User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days 2 hours ago) and read 4124 times:

The STL-LGW slot is what made the third DFW-LGW flight possible -- AA just transferred the rights from STL to DFW, so now there is no STL-LGW slot.

ssides- are you telling me that STL no longer has a LGW slot? So we will never get it back?



The above is another case of confusing available slots with route authority


STL is still currently a Bermuda II approved city for LGW.

AA did however utilize the slot at LGW which the defunct STL flight once used, to operate another DFW flight.


User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3466 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (10 years 5 months 3 days ago) and read 4052 times:

This summer DL will operate 4 daily ATL-LGW flights, so I don't see why 3 daily flights from the world's second largest hub is such a big deal.

Jeremy


User currently offlineBartond From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 789 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (10 years 5 months 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 3938 times:

SES - What kind of a post is that? Someone's just mentioning expanded service from DFW and the ramifications it will/might have. Noone said anything about Atlanta...if you want to talk about that airport, start up a thread. It cracks me up how people get personal about their airports on this website - if something good happens for a "competing" airport, people get all worked up over it.

User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 5 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 3817 times:

Barton... pot, kettle, black  Big grin

Unless I'm mistaken, all SES was trying to say is that if the world's largest hub can support 4+1 daily flights to LGW.... then it's not that much of a stretch to think that the world's second largest hub can support 3+1. That's all  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

[Edited 2004-03-01 18:42:19]

User currently offlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3466 posts, RR: 10
Reply 24, posted (10 years 5 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 3681 times:

Thank you ConcordeBoy for explaining my rationale. Bartond, for your information I don't even live in Atlanta, I'm from Minneapolis, I wasn't pumping up ATL, I was just stating a fact. AA and AA Eagle have over 780 daily flights from DFW and the city is also one of the 10 largest O&D cities in the country, so I was just saying that that makes sense to have 3 daily flights. I just love it when people think that they can ridicule someone else over a post when they don't even know what they're talking about. Big grin

Jeremy


25 Bartond : Okay, okay my bad Jeremy I misinterpreted what you meant by it. Dammit I hate being wrong. I hope the third flight will work but I've been checking th
26 Ssides : AA may not have an extra 777 for the newer DFW-LGW route. The STL-LGW route was a 763, so that is definitely a factor. I would hope that one day it co
27 Bartond : True, SSides, I'm not sure there's enough total traffic to fill 4 772s on that route. But you raised a good question earlier - how is BA doing on thei
28 Post contains links Ssides : DFW hasn't done a very good job of maintaining efficiency with its tram system for connections from flights like the BA LGW flight It's even worse no
29 ConcordeBoy : If DFW could get LHR slots Not without an ammendment to Bermuda II... the traffic is definitely there to warrant a switch, but so are two airlines.
30 Bartond : Yeah you're right about the Bermuda issue, Concorde, I had forgotten about that. I still don't quite understand what relevance that has and how they c
31 ConcordeBoy : I still don't quite understand what relevance that has and how they choose what cities get LHR service. What are the restrictions? The 12 cities which
32 Bartond : Thank you for the clarification. Something I've always wondered about. Maybe things will change at some point when your southern cities start to eclip
33 Post contains links and images ConcordeBoy : What happened/will happen to the SAN slot at LHR? The slot is apparently being used elsewhere. As for the route authority... dunno. I'm still not sure
34 Bartond : Speakin of threads that need to be resurrected, I believe there's one about rumours of new international service to DFW that needs revitalizing. Anyon
35 ConcordeBoy : Anyone heard anything? nothing that hasnt been said ten times before
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