Singapore_Air From United Kingdom, joined Nov 2000, 13756 posts, RR: 18 Posted (12 years 3 months 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 8352 times:
South African Airways has chosen Star Alliance - The Airline Network For Earth - as its foreign global partner.
Confirmed by SAA sources, it aims to join in 2004 with the approval of Star Alliance airlines seen as a formality.
" "But the pros vastly outweigh the cons. Chief among these would be access to global corporate accounts and Star's company contracts.
A spokesman for Star alliance, the biggest in the world, admitted in an interview with Business Times last year that the alliance was actively wooing SAA, not least of all because of its overwhelming presence in Africa, where Star has less influence than its competitor Sky Team. Sky Team members include KLM and Air France, both active in Africa." "
Star Alliance comprises 14 members - of which Singapore Airlines Limited is one of them.
Cjuniel From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 146 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (12 years 3 months 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 7853 times:
It will be interesting to see how this plays out as far as O'Hare or Dulles. I would probably give Dulles the upper hand as they have been aggressively pursuing foreign flag carriers as of late. Further that allows United and SAA to maximize the number of passengers on the flight since Dulles is on the east coast. While SAA does also have a flight from JFK, there is enough O&D traffic for that flight to operate as a standalone.
Rojo From Spain, joined Sep 2000, 2519 posts, RR: 8
Reply 14, posted (12 years 3 months 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 7794 times:
Hope SA does well on Star, but I also think that Star is indeed getting crowded. There are some overlapping of destinations and two airlines are competing in the same region (TG and SQ for example)... I can say that SA will fill a gap in Star, so I don't think they will face problems of cross competition within the alliance, but I would have expected SA to stay out of alliances and benefit from bilateral agreements with airlines in different alliances (LH and DL in this case). I do think that choosing the best airlines in each market to codeshare is the way to go for some airlines, since not every airline in one alliance is strong in the places you need them to be strong. MX is the biggest example of an airline where the alliance didn't give them the expected benefits... the result, they are the first airline to drop an alliance without going bankrupt of being merged.
I know that MX was not getting the revenue they expected from UA's codeshare. UA is so weak in the Mexican market (a huge market for a Mexican airline) that it doesn't matter how strong the other Star partners are, it was not worth staying as a Star member... better to close a deal with LH and AC to stay as a partner and work with stronger partners (AA).
Anxebla From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (12 years 3 months 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 7724 times:
I think SA is making a mistake for join to Star.Like people say here,Star have many airlines members.For this way,half IATA will be Star Alliance.
BTW,hahahaha Have you read The Sunday Times of SouthAfrica about this issue? ....
"...SAA will have to relinquish partnerships it has with carriers that are members of competing alliances,for instance DL in the US,a member of the FRENCH alliance Sky Team" hahahaha.... SkyTeam is French What's your opinion,Rojo?
Other VERY GOOD
"Sky Team members include KLM and Air France"
AH! Journalists...They always keep inform to the world's peoples.
Lfutia From Netherlands, joined Dec 2002, 3407 posts, RR: 30
Reply 18, posted (12 years 3 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 7645 times:
w00t! It would be nice to see South African in SA - Illinois">ORD! Although its a helluva ride from SA - Illinois">ORD-CPT/JNB or they will stop over in Ilha do Sal or something. SA - Virginia">IAD -- yes they do need more foreign carriers and it is closer to CPT/JNB. Maybe SA will get 5th freedom and be able to op SA - Illinois">ORD-SA - California">SFO?
I would love to see what will unfold during the year about this.
Leo/ORD -- Groetjes uit de VS! -- Heeft u laatst nog met KLM gevlogen?
ZASpringboks From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (12 years 3 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 7584 times:
This is depressing news. I've come to appreciate and love the South African passengers we encounter when they choose to fly Delta Airlines. It will be very sad news when I learn that my pass benefits on SAA will be taken away.
What is going on with Delta these days? Where is the strength? What does Skyteam have to look forward too? Aeroflot? Great! Grand! Wonderful!
Eddieho From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 231 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (12 years 3 months 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 7499 times:
It really shows you on how the economy works - people don't care about others and they only work towards benefitting themselves.
Come to think of it, SAA isn't really benefitting that much from Cathay Pacific. Yes, SAA should still fly direct to HKG, but with Singapore Airlines they can serve all across Asia. Don't forget that Cathay Pacific are rivals with SAA in some ways (Australian flights) etc. And when SAA starts going into China then it becomes even more interesting.
Bicoastal From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (12 years 3 months 2 days ago) and read 7366 times:
What's this about Star being crowded? As someone who actually flies on a number of the members each year, I have no complaints. Asia is a huge market and there's plenty of business for Thai, Singapore, ANA and Asiana. If you think Star is crowded in that area, you've never been there and seen the dense population, thriving business climate and tons of demand for air travel. And in Europe, the many Star members are making their schedules mesh and complement each other to the BENEFIT of frequent travelers. Those of you who think it's crowded in STAR likely don't fly much.
And for those of you who don't think a "crowded" alliance is efficient. Sorry, but again, as someone who actually uses a number of the carriers each year, STAR is extremely efficient. Baggage, frequent flyer recognition, schedules, airline clubs....all are handled extremely well by STAR members to the great benefit of users like me.
Great to have SAA on board and there's plenty of business for it. Can't wait until they start flying to Dulles or Chicago!
[Edited 2004-03-01 01:28:21]
: They can also kiss good bye to their code share agreements with QF out of SYD and PER. Do they code share with BA from flights to/fro LHR and within A