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Midwest Express How Long More Will They Be Around?  
User currently offlineAkjetblue From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 790 posts, RR: 5
Posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 4979 times:

What are the odds on this one surviving?


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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 4910 times:

Midwest Express is gone, airline has been renamed Midwest Airlines.

User currently offlineCaptcjmac From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 86 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 4834 times:

FOREVER!!!!

LONG LIVE MIDWEST AIRLINES!


User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4373 posts, RR: 27
Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4734 times:

http://www.midwestairlines.com

Maybe you should find out a thing or two about them yourself before you question their demise.



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4652 times:

Maybe you should find out a thing or two about them yourself before you question their demise.

Considering this airline has one of (if not THE) highest operating expenses in the country.... this post isnt exactly a stretch


User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 49
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4636 times:

I will say I have always wanted to fly them tho the connections offered from my home airport either means a long lay over on the outbound or the return, no good connections I can take. And since 9-11, and from what I have read, other than the more generous seating layout, just what does "Midwest" offer over the majors? Or for that matter the LCC's that give me PTV's, leather seats and do not charge for snacks.

[Edited 2004-03-01 02:34:35]


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User currently offlineRockyRacoon From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 958 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4628 times:

Hopefully forever! Although I've never flown them, they sound like a great airline. Plus they fly the 717, how can't you like that?


peace


User currently offlineJpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4373 posts, RR: 27
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4588 times:

ConcordeBoy-
I know as well as anyone that YX is not in the greatest financial state, but I do think they will continue to be around for some time (even though things wont be what they once were). Saver service seems to be doing well in florida winter markets, and LAS has been beefed up to 2 or 3 daily. For a luxurious product, you really cant beat the new 717 interiors. However, the true nature of my first post was mostly to have the thread starter find out a thing or two about them, and maybe bring a question with some real topic or information.

So, let a hard core YX discussion begin..

[Edited 2004-03-01 03:04:46]


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User currently offlinePHXMKEflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 291 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4549 times:

They will be around for longer than most of you probably think. Although they will never be a "major" they serve a niche market and have taken the brunt of the industry downturn. They were the most attractive to business travelers, but the dip in business travelers hit them hard and are now focusing on leisure travelers as can be seen with the introduction of saver service to leisure markets.

The fleet renovation is also a move in the right direction with the 717's

Also the state of Wisconsin has alot invested in them and is likely going to give Midwest as much assistance as they can.


User currently offlineMikey711MN From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1396 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 4523 times:

As a sidebar, when are the Embraers due to come online for Midwest Connect?!? I know that there's a mix of 135's, 140's, and 145's coming, but are there also any 145ER's? (just curious on that one...a bit off-topic, I know)


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User currently offlineRockyRacoon From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 958 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4447 times:

Mikey:

Would embraers coexist with the Dojets? Or are they thinking about dumping them? I would assume the Beech 1900s would be on their way out.

peace


User currently offlineUNITED777300 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 131 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4401 times:

The current plan only calls for ERJ145's; which won't come until after the inital batch of 717's has arrived. YX stated this at the time of the first 717 delivery. The 328's will replace the B1900's while the ERJ's will take the routes flown before by the 328's. Also, does anyoen know if YX has any plans for the MD80's?


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User currently offlinePilot727aa From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4357 times:

I flew on them in December and had a great trip from DFW-MSP. The FAs were the best. They were talking to me about the airline and sounded like they had all the confidence they would be around for a long time. Seems like they have a pretty good following in Milwaukee.
-Brady


User currently offlineMCIB757 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 280 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4295 times:

I love this airline, and fly on them as often as possible and hope to see them around for a long time. I think there doing ok, and things will get better.

Tom



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User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8502 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4219 times:

They may have higher costs than the majors, but they also have better revenue potential. I tried to fly on them once from Nashville through Milwaukee to Connecticut just for fun (and get on the 328JET), but it just didn't work. Too long of a layover!

Ticket was only $400. Not bad compared to a $200 Delta ticket with far inferior accomodations and service.


User currently offline717fan From Switzerland, joined Nov 2001, 2017 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4201 times:

YX is said to be one of the airlines interested at the 717-300X as a MD-80 replacement..

User currently offlineSegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 4199 times:

I've heard that Midwest Saver is doing really well for YX. Most of the converted routes are actually flying a higher load factor than before the conversion from 118 to 146.

On a side note, I've flown Saver twice, and do your best to avoid rows 26 and higher.. the seat width was cut by 1/2 inch....

-nate


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24971 posts, RR: 85
Reply 17, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4166 times:
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The Feds have issued some load factor stats for November. Remember that November is a slow-ish month.

Midwest appears to be holding its own at MKE. They have strong competition from NWA.

NWA: MKE/LAS = 83.8%, MKE/LAX = 46.6%, MKE/MCO = 66.9%. MKE/BOS = 34.9%, MKE/LGA = 36.4% and MKE/DCA was 32.4%.

Modwest: MKE/LAS = 88.5%, MKE/LAX = 76.5%, MKE/MCO = 78.8%. MKE/BOS = 62.9%, MKE/LGA = 68.8% and MKE/DCA = 62.9%.

Midwest is doing well, mostly, but it looks as if NWA is losing it's shirt on most of its routes out of MKE.

However, except for three routes, Midwest is not doing quite so well out of MCI:

MCI/SFO: 75.3% - excellent, especially for November.

MCI/LGA: 68.3% - very good.

MCI/DCA: 63.1% - good, but (as with MKE/DCA above) probably three or four points below break even.

After that it goes downhill, such as:

MCI/SAT: 57.3% - not good.

MCI/DSM: 37.5% - really not good.

Even though MCI/DSM is bad, DSM/DCA does better with 63.1% (OMA/DCA is 60.2%).

It's only one month, but the November l/fs followed a similar pattern to October.

On the MKE/DEN run, for example, Frontier's loads were consistently about 10 or 11 points higher than Midwest.

cheers

mariner



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User currently offlineSegmentKing From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4082 times:

YX only has 1 flight to DEN, mainly grabbing Midwest region & east coast traffic, where F9 has 3 flights in the market connecting west & south.

Out of FLL to MKE, Midwest is averaging about 92% load factors on Saver, and I'm hearing 90-numbers out of Tampa, Ft. Myers, and Orlando.

-n


User currently offlineBoingGoingGone From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4066 times:

Once they recoupe the flight crew training costs of $1200 an hour which they are currently incurring for the 717, they'll be making a killing. Right now crew costs are $1841 an hour. This training cost should be reduced to $500 this month and fall to $0 by August. A lot of upgrades.

Direct costs for them are $.1172 per available seat mile right now for the 717. This will fall to $.9013 when this cost goes away.


User currently offlineMariner From New Zealand, joined Nov 2001, 24971 posts, RR: 85
Reply 20, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3959 times:
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SegmentKing:

Small thing: F9 has 2 x daily DEN/MKE/DEN, not 3.

Midwest: I'm not surprised by those Florida loads. Those routes are a gold mine in the winter, as shown by the November numbers.

Even before "season" began, Midwest was getting close to 80% MKE/MCO.

cheers

mariner



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User currently offlineBoingGoingGone From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 3947 times:

Typo Correction... 11.7 cents per ASM to 9.013 cents per ASM.


User currently offlineSlider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6774 posts, RR: 35
Reply 22, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 3840 times:

I think YX is the finest full service carrier in the U.S., bar none.

While they had historically been able to keep labor costs low, that began to creep up. Also, the fleet age, mx costs, etc, all began to rear their ugly head, hence the fleet renewal plan. The great thing about YX was when Kimberly-Clark divested them entirely, their balance sheet was wiped clean of long-term debt. They started with a clean slate, a great advantage.

I hope YX doesn't hedge from the premium quality that got them to this point. For spending far more on meals, etc than other carriers, they ought to be able to reclaim some revenue premium in turn. The structural problem with that is that I don't see that premium revenue coming back entirely: they're going to have to adjust the costs of premium service and really deal with the cost side more aggressively.

Long term, they can remain a viable niche carrier. They're well managed, they have a devoted following among fliers, solid local base, esp in MKE, and I think they'll be OK.


User currently offlineYxskip From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 18 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3775 times:

MIDWEST will be around for a very long time. We offer great service (on the ground and in the air), comfortable seats...and respect our passengers--something many of the BIG airlines can't say.
We may not be the biggest, but we reamain at or very close to the top a lot of the airline ranking lists in travel publications,
The new 717's are an excellent aircraft and way more fuel efficent than the DC9's.
Saver service is very popular.
And we have employees that are enthusiastic and care about the future of the airline.

[Edited 2004-03-02 00:14:44]

User currently offlineMD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8502 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (10 years 4 months 2 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 3758 times:

Why are the seats narrower towards the rear, Segment King?

25 Yxskip : Seats in that area of the particular aircraft are near the galley. The Galley on that aircraft is wider, thus the seats in that area suffer a 1/2 inch
26 OttoPylit : I would hope they are around for a long time. I have always thought they were a nice little airline, even though they are smaller than most and don't
27 LambertMan : Mariner, if you could direct me in the way of where I could find those stats I would appreciate it. Those NW LF's are downright nasty. Looks like NW's
28 Mikey711MN : IIRC, that MCI-DSM leg continues on to DCA, the slot for which was given to YX once Access Air went under.
29 Post contains images LambertMan : Mariner...you've left me checking back and forth between homework and this board....link please. Bump.
30 Post contains images N276AASTT : I wish them well. I always hate to see/hear an airline is going out of business. They offer a great product. True that they have some of the highest e
31 Post contains links Mariner : LambertMan: Sorry, I've been off deck for a while. I don't collect the numbers anymore, because it takes a bit of work. They are collected by a poster
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