Luv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12341 posts, RR: 44
Reply 5, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5319 times:
I will say I have always wanted to fly them tho the connections offered from my home airport either means a long lay over on the outbound or the return, no good connections I can take. And since 9-11, and from what I have read, other than the more generous seating layout, just what does "Midwest" offer over the majors? Or for that matter the LCC's that give me PTV's, leather seats and do not charge for snacks.
JpetekYXMD80 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 4600 posts, RR: 24
Reply 7, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5271 times:
I know as well as anyone that YX is not in the greatest financial state, but I do think they will continue to be around for some time (even though things wont be what they once were). Saver service seems to be doing well in florida winter markets, and LAS has been beefed up to 2 or 3 daily. For a luxurious product, you really cant beat the new 717 interiors. However, the true nature of my first post was mostly to have the thread starter find out a thing or two about them, and maybe bring a question with some real topic or information.
PHXMKEflyer From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 293 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5232 times:
They will be around for longer than most of you probably think. Although they will never be a "major" they serve a niche market and have taken the brunt of the industry downturn. They were the most attractive to business travelers, but the dip in business travelers hit them hard and are now focusing on leisure travelers as can be seen with the introduction of saver service to leisure markets.
The fleet renovation is also a move in the right direction with the 717's
Also the state of Wisconsin has alot invested in them and is likely going to give Midwest as much assistance as they can.
Mikey711MN From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1425 posts, RR: 8
Reply 9, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 5206 times:
As a sidebar, when are the Embraers due to come online for Midwest Connect?!? I know that there's a mix of 135's, 140's, and 145's coming, but are there also any 145ER's? (just curious on that one...a bit off-topic, I know)
UNITED777300 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 131 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5084 times:
The current plan only calls for ERJ145's; which won't come until after the inital batch of 717's has arrived. YX stated this at the time of the first 717 delivery. The 328's will replace the B1900's while the ERJ's will take the routes flown before by the 328's. Also, does anyoen know if YX has any plans for the MD80's?
Pilot727aa From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 136 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 5040 times:
I flew on them in December and had a great trip from DFW-MSP. The FAs were the best. They were talking to me about the airline and sounded like they had all the confidence they would be around for a long time. Seems like they have a pretty good following in Milwaukee.
MD-90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 8526 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 4902 times:
They may have higher costs than the majors, but they also have better revenue potential. I tried to fly on them once from Nashville through Milwaukee to Connecticut just for fun (and get on the 328JET), but it just didn't work. Too long of a layover!
Ticket was only $400. Not bad compared to a $200 Delta ticket with far inferior accomodations and service.
BoingGoingGone From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 4749 times:
Once they recoupe the flight crew training costs of $1200 an hour which they are currently incurring for the 717, they'll be making a killing. Right now crew costs are $1841 an hour. This training cost should be reduced to $500 this month and fall to $0 by August. A lot of upgrades.
Direct costs for them are $.1172 per available seat mile right now for the 717. This will fall to $.9013 when this cost goes away.
Slider From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 7209 posts, RR: 33
Reply 22, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 4523 times:
I think YX is the finest full service carrier in the U.S., bar none.
While they had historically been able to keep labor costs low, that began to creep up. Also, the fleet age, mx costs, etc, all began to rear their ugly head, hence the fleet renewal plan. The great thing about YX was when Kimberly-Clark divested them entirely, their balance sheet was wiped clean of long-term debt. They started with a clean slate, a great advantage.
I hope YX doesn't hedge from the premium quality that got them to this point. For spending far more on meals, etc than other carriers, they ought to be able to reclaim some revenue premium in turn. The structural problem with that is that I don't see that premium revenue coming back entirely: they're going to have to adjust the costs of premium service and really deal with the cost side more aggressively.
Long term, they can remain a viable niche carrier. They're well managed, they have a devoted following among fliers, solid local base, esp in MKE, and I think they'll be OK.
Yxskip From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 18 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (11 years 11 months 2 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4458 times:
MIDWEST will be around for a very long time. We offer great service (on the ground and in the air), comfortable seats...and respect our passengers--something many of the BIG airlines can't say.
We may not be the biggest, but we reamain at or very close to the top a lot of the airline ranking lists in travel publications,
The new 717's are an excellent aircraft and way more fuel efficent than the DC9's.
Saver service is very popular.
And we have employees that are enthusiastic and care about the future of the airline.