Metsfan1 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 139 posts, RR: 0 Posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 5490 times:
I happened to have been on this evening's 7pm departure from Ord to Lga. The flight was on an AA M80. Overall the flight was pretty good and we were even going to come in a few minutes early to LGA. However about a mile out from the airport, after feeling the gear go down, we roared back up into the air. I thought it was just a simple go-around. I fly regularly so I don't get worried about many things. However what happened after what I thought was a go around really did scare me.
The pilot got on the PA and said that the right main landing gear light wasn't turning on. They thought it was an indicator malfunction but since they could not be sure it was possible that the gear wasn't down. We circled around New York for about 15 minutes. At which point the F/O made his way back to the cabin around where I was sitting in row 24 and proceeded to rip up the carpet in the aisle, open a latch and start to turn things in it. He sat there with what looked like an M80 technical manual and a flashlight. When he returned to the cockpit the pilot announced that they still could not fix the problem and would have to assume that the gear was not coming down. He notified us that we were diverting to JFK due to the longer runway and that there would be emergency vehicles awaiting our landing. We flew into the pattern for JFK, and came down on the runway on the side of the Delta Terminal (I forget the numbering). The whole time I was sitting waiting to feel the wheels hit the runway to assure that they were there. I was really sitting there praying it was just the indicator light. We came in a bit hard, and a little on our left side because the pilot wasn't sure if the right landing gear was deployed. Sure enough it turned out to be an indicator light and the wheels were down. He used mostly reverse thrust to stop the aircraft, and we used a good deal of that long runway. When the plane slowed down everyone in the cabin clapped and was just happy to be on the ground.
We ended up sitting on the runway for 20 minutes because the gear doors were still open due to the emergency. We had to wait until they were closed by maintenance's in order to taxi to the gate. I have to admit that I was pretty scared for a while. I wasn't sure how it was going to play out. I must give a lot of credit to the Captain, F/O and the crew for handling the situation in a calm and professional manner. They really performed their jobs well tonight. I shook the Captain's hand and thanked him for getting us down. He smiled but he did look a little frazzled. I don't think this will make the news, but it was still a pretty scary event to me.
Trvlr From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 4430 posts, RR: 24 Reply 3, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5324 times:
I wonder why they didn't just do a fly-by of the control tower at LGA? Traffic concerns, probably. That, and the the pilots still wouldn't know if the gear was locked or not. At any rate, still an amazing story! Good to hear everything was fine.
Boeing Nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5221 times:
99 times out of 100 it's a faulty light. We see planty of landing gear problem precautionary landings at STL. The only recent one where there was a landing gear failure was a TWA 717 a while back. No nose gear. Went to Scott Air Force base. Landed just fine. No injuries.
FA4UA From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 812 posts, RR: 22 Reply 5, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5121 times:
Glad everything ended up OK!
I'm suprised they didn't prep the cabin for an evacuation... that's kinda weird. If the captain assumed that the gear wasn't down, then logically, they also have to assume that there might be a fire upon landing thereby needing to evacuate the plane. Wonder what the conversation in the cockpit was like and with the FA's???
The debate continues... Starwood or Hyatt... which is better
Tjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2297 posts, RR: 3 Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 4864 times:
"I wonder why they didn't just do a fly-by of the control tower at LGA? Traffic concerns, probably. That, and the the pilots still wouldn't know if the gear was locked or not. At any rate, still an amazing story! Good to hear everything was fine."
Like Zak said- down doesn't necessarily mean locked, and it was a 7pm departure from ORD to LGA- would have been quite dark at LGA. Someone would have to use a big spotlight to see the gear position and then risk blinding the flight crew......
Direct KNOBS, maintain 2700' until established on the localizer, cleared ILS runway 26 left approach.
Flyingbronco05 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3838 posts, RR: 3 Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 4459 times:
I must give a lot of credit to the Captain, F/O and the crew for handling the situation in a calm and professional manner. They really performed their jobs well tonight. I shook the Captain's hand and thanked him for getting us down. He smiled but he did look a little frazzled. I don't think this will make the news, but it was still a pretty scary event to me.
They are trained for stuff like that so you didn't need to worry. I'm sure the captain was a lil frazzled, but once again, he knew what he was doing.
JFKviaPHX From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 194 posts, RR: 0 Reply 11, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 4316 times:
I saw you land. I was wondering what was going on with all the emergency vehicles outside. You came to a roaring stop in front of the PA police building. I was surprised how long it took for the flight to leave the runway. It's good to hear everything was alright on your end.
I remember seeing the whole approach and landing of B6 in 2002 when it landed with it's nose gear sideways. They did a fly by and the emergency vehicles were chasing it around the airport.
Lindy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 4206 times:
How did they land with the nose gear sideways???
Metrojet had problems on their 732s with nose gear. They were parked at the gate and nose gear would turn itself sideways.
It was funny because even there was safety pin inserted you could turn the wheel sideways with your hands.
UAL mechanics whould come and play with it for about an hour.
I saw the manifest with the price for it and it was $720 for the part and $450 for 1hr labor.
United made lots of money on contract work with MetroJet It was happening daily.
JFKviaPHX From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 194 posts, RR: 0 Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 5 days ago) and read 4129 times:
The B6 came in for BUF like that. I guess they knew of the problem right away and decided they had enough fuel to make it home to JFK. They touched down keeping the nose off the ground as long as they could then when it landed the front tires exploded and caught fire. When it finally stopped the fire went out. BTW The plane was back in service a few days later. The pilots did a fantastic job on that flight, no one I believe was hurt.
Metsfan1 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 139 posts, RR: 0 Reply 14, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 3924 times:
Sorry it took me so long to reply, I have been busy all morning. With regard to the F/A's preparing the cabin, they did sit and give people at the emergency exits a detailed description of how to operate should we need to evacuate.
To JFKviaPHX, interesting that you saw us land. I am actually curious what it looked like from the outside. Did anything seem odd about the landing. I know from the inside it felt like we touched down more on one side than on the other. It also felt like we came in a bit fast. I thought we used a lot of runway to stop. Was I just imagining this or did the airplane really take a long time to stop. I also find it interesting that you said we came to a 'roaring stop' as it did feel and sound like he hit the thrust reversers a little harder than normal. If you could give me any description of what it looked like from the outside it would be appreciated.
JFKviaPHX From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 194 posts, RR: 0 Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 3413 times:
You came in fast and very loud. It seemed like the Captain just wanted to stop. The one thing that struck me as odd was how long it took for the plane to leave the runway. The emergency vehicles were slow to approach the MD-80. From my vantage point, about 300 feet or so away, I couldn't tell what the problem was. Usually you can make a good guess.
Metsfan1 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 139 posts, RR: 0 Reply 19, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3330 times:
Well it did feel like we came in a bit fast. When the Captain hit the reversers it sounded like a rocket. I've never heard the reversers so loud. Maybe due to the nature of the problem, which was with a wheel, he avoided using the wheel breaks as much as possible and tried to use the reversers more. As for sitting on the runway. The gear doors were down due to the emergency landing, and the captain said we would have to wait until maintenance came and closed the doors manually in order to move to the gate. Once the gear doors were tied up we taxied to the gate under engine power.
Metsfan1 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 139 posts, RR: 0 Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 3 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 3203 times:
Yes you did misunderstand. I am sorry that I wasn't more clear. He had in his hand what looked like some sort of manual for the M80. He then ripped up the carpet and unhinged a small latch and was looking in it with a flashlight. Some people said he was twisting things. I could not see what he was doing because the carpet was lifted towards me. I thought he was manually checking if the wheel had gone down. Since I am not a pilot or mechanic I don't really know what he was doing. I do know that when the crew leaves the cockpit to try to fix something in the back manually, there is some sort of problem. It is at that point where I got worried.