ETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 7 Posted (11 years 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9007 times:
I have seen a number of late night flights to/from Las Vegas to/from Canadian cities over the years, including charters. Now HP is starting services into YVR as follows:
Las Vegas to Vancouver, Canada
Flight Departure Arrival Aircraft
6479 11:59 p.m. 2:49 a.m. CRJ-900**
Vancouver, Canada to Las Vegas
Flight Departure Arrival Aircraft
6047 8:00 p.m. 10:35 p.m. CRJ-900**
What I wonder is, is there really demand for such late night services? I know that gambling can be addictive et al, but do people really go to LAS, do whatever they do and come back home at around 3AM?
DesertJets From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 7828 posts, RR: 15
Reply 1, posted (11 years 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 8949 times:
America West's original hub design in the 80s and much of the flying that they do out of McCarran is centered around the night flight operation. The original reason that America West setup LAS like this was to improve their fleet utilization by running red-eyes. The airlines can do this because McCarran is open 24 hrs a day without any major noise restrictions and I suppose that the nature of Las Vegas travel supports a large number of flights arriving late in the evening and leaving as red-eyes.
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AirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 2, posted (11 years 3 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 8855 times:
My fiancee's aunt is an F/A for HP and she works alot of red-eyes out of LAS to the east coast cities expecially to BWI. Shes got pretty much 20 years plus seniority so she gets those good flights. The reason for HP flying red-eyes out of LAS is because....well ya know....Its LAS!!! Its a popular destination.
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Amwest25 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (11 years 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 8805 times:
The HP LAS flights are well usually pretty packed most of the time to most of the destinations. The fares tend to be lower so its mostly leisure travel but it sure beats having a plane sit overnight.
Example is ORD did not have a LAS red eye 1 extra plane would need to spend the night at ORD but with the red eye that plane can make some revenue and ORD still gets its aircraft for the early departure.
FlyPIJets From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 954 posts, RR: 3
Reply 4, posted (11 years 3 weeks 6 days 10 hours ago) and read 8783 times:
Red eyes are out of LAS are a good deal for pax and carrier alike.
Passengers get to spend extra time in sin city without paying for another hotel room. Most hotels will gladly store your bags until flight time, especially if they think you are going to be loosing more money in their casinos. Just ask the front desk. Red eyes are also the easiest to get a really cheap fare on.
Airlines like them for the reasons mentioned, the a/c generates revenue overnight, rather than be parked, and is ready for a morning departure.
FlyingNanook From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 830 posts, RR: 12
Reply 7, posted (11 years 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 8613 times:
I know that many people will fly into LAS on the first flight of the day, spend the day in Vegas gambling and doing Vegas things, then leave on the last flight of the day. It makes sense if the flight is cheap and the flight isn't too long.
Spinkid From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 1166 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (11 years 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 8597 times:
It seems like everyone runs late night flights out of Las Vegas. One important reason is that the city very much caters to a 24 hour lifestyle. I've arrived late at night into McCarran many times and within minutes I've got my bags and I'm at my hotel, at the very least I'll hit the coffee shop before going to bed, but I've also started gambling or gone out drinking. I think as far as tourism goes the airport is a great location for getting into and out of Las Vegas. Another post mentioned how people will foresake an extra night in a hotel to fly out of Vegas and yup that's another reason.
I think Las Vegas would be a great city to offer 4am departues. It's the perfect time to stay up late, make it to the airport and fall asleep on the plane. When your flight leaves at 6am or 7am, it's really pushing the limit on an all nighter.
SunValley From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (11 years 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 8578 times:
If PHilippine Airlines is operating an A340 out of LAS for SAN, they cannot carry any local passengers, so if you want that time of night, you have no choice. The CRJ will be your only choice.
Foreign carriers cannot carry local passengers unless they are connecting on to their outbound foreign flight at the connecting point.
Ckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5419 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (11 years 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 8572 times:
I have been on some AA flights out of ORD leaving for LAS after 9pm, and they are usually full, particularly if earlier flights were overbooked.
I've never taken a redeye back from LAS, but since it is in the Pacific time zone, the timing makes sense for arrivals into ORD, connecting with the first bank of departures for the east, as well as the first Eagle bank.
Lasbagman From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 367 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (11 years 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 8401 times:
I used to work for Canadi>n Holidays, the tour arm of Canadi>n Airlines. We had very late flights in and out of LAS from Western Canada, due to the availabilty of aircraft. they were doing the sked runs in Canada/ Transborder
and then were released to us for late night charter flights.
Threewests From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 56 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (11 years 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 8379 times:
When I worked for HP, I was told this: It works for HP to have a bunch of red eyes because at that time of night they basically have the airport to themselves. There is very little traffic from other airlines, so less congestion and delays. Also, at night it's much cooler so there is less weight problems and it also benefits their ground staff. I don't know if this was part of America Wests plans in Vegas, but it is what I was told.
Acidradio From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 1876 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (11 years 3 weeks 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8333 times:
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I used to take the NW LAS-MSP redeye home all the time. Almost always a handful of seats open (except the time that HP had a misconnect and dumped 20 pax on NW to get them home, stranding me in LAS)... Even at 1am it was mostly a full load on a 757. Considering that LAS is a lower-yield, high volume tourist city, it makes sense to utilize equipment as much as you can on that route to recoup some of your costs.
Tourists tend to be less picky about times than business travellers. Of course, the 1am departure gets you into MSP around 6am, which would be kind of nice for a business traveller to make it to the start of the business day in MSP if they were interested in that.
Jsnww81 From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2141 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (11 years 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 8271 times:
The redeye flights out of LAS are indeed very popular. I was there on vacation about a year ago, and left on a redeye LAS-ORD flight on America West. We departed LAS at midnight and arrived into ORD at about 5:30am.
It's definitely strange taxiing around at McCarran at 11:30pm and seeing so many aircraft on the runways and at the gates (and not just RON aircraft either.)
I lived in Las Vegas for a year in high school - our house was about eight miles west of McCarran (at Tropicana and Rainbow). I can recall lying in bed hearing one aircraft after another flying overhead, all around 11pm. That's a phenomenon you probably won't find anywhere else in the US!
ETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 7
Reply 21, posted (11 years 3 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 8177 times:
It'd be great to fly Philippine Airlines to Vegas from YVR. I remember when they had their stopover at YVR on their SFO fligths, and fares between YVR and SFO fell to less than $200CAD and matched by AC/UA. I wonder how much they will charge to LAS.
LV From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 2014 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (11 years 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 8125 times:
HP is cranking up a Friday LAS-ELP that leaves ELP at 8:45 in the evening, lands at LAS at like 10 (I dont have the times handy), counterpart on Sunday leaves LAS at like midnight and gets into ELP around 2:30 AM. Works out great for a weekend in vegas....a good friend of mine and her boyfriend are using these two flights in just a couple of weeks....perfect for them....he picks her up from the office around 7....they go straight to the airport...jump on the flight to vegas and start partying on friday night...party all weekend clear up till sunday night, hop the flight to ELP, sleep like an hour on the plane...if they don't check anything they will easily be home by 3:15, in bed by 3:30....she is at the office by 9:15 on Monday and he's a college student so it doesn't matter.....perfect for them....and hopefully Im going to vegas in a few months, I plan on using the same flights
Kurt From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 417 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (11 years 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 8052 times:
I flew LAS-ORD on UA once - what a miserable flight (but you could say this about most domestic red-eyes). It left at 11:59 p.m. and arrived in Chicago at 5:15 a.m. or so. It was packed! The worst part was that it was too short for any real sleep, and I wandered around O'Hare like a zombie until my connection to BWI. Saved me a night in a hotel, though.