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Aircraft Off The End At STL  
User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 7 months 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4195 times:

Jungle drums are reporting that a F-15 landing on runway 24 at STL has overrun the end and is in the mud. The runway (24) is closed as they check for debris, but 12R/30L and 12L/30R are unaffected.

Get your cameras out...

(Placed in this forum vs. the military forum since it happened at a major CIVIL airport...)

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User currently offlineInnocuousFox From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2805 posts, RR: 14
Reply 1, posted (10 years 7 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4014 times:

How the heck does THAT happen? I can see going off the side or something... but off the end?


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User currently offlineFLYtoEGCC From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 947 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (10 years 7 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3992 times:

Could be any one of a number of reasons... I'm no expert but my guess would be that it's a mechanical fault - wheel brake failure, stuck throttle, etc... or perhaps the pilot came in too high and touched down anyway thinking he could get away with it because it was a large runway at a major airport.

I'm sure some well-informed A.net member will let us know the real reason soon enough!

Just my £0.02  Smile



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User currently offlineDia77 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 705 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (10 years 7 months 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 3978 times:

I landed at STL this morning and saw F-15's in the air. Must have happened later in the morning.

User currently offlineMaiznblu_757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 50
Reply 4, posted (10 years 7 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3925 times:

Username: Dia77
From United States, joined Jan 2000, 399 posts, RR: 12
Reply: 3
Posted Mon Mar 1 2004 23:42:15 UTC+1 and read 44 times:
I landed at STL this morning and saw F-15's in the air. Must have happened later in the morning.


Since when would they scrub other flights for something such as this? I can understand if a mainmount separated from the aircraft or a wing fell off, they would probably ground the aircraft until they figured out what went wrong. Doubt they would ground the rest of the fighters for one going off the end of the runway though.






User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 7 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3892 times:

It didn't happen this morning--it was about 10 minutes before I made my first post in mid-afternoon....(which is why I think I posted in the first place...)  Big grin

User currently offlineBHMNONREV From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1375 posts, RR: 4
Reply 6, posted (10 years 7 months 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 3794 times:

6/24 at STL is less than 7000' IIRC, could be any number of reasons he ran long. Inop speed brake, hot brakes, long touchdown.

Air1727 or Pilotpip could give us the poop....


User currently offlinePilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3150 posts, RR: 11
Reply 7, posted (10 years 7 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3697 times:

"Jets involved in near collision at Lambert
By Ken Leiser
Of the Post-Dispatch
03/01/2004


An F-15 fighter jet belonging to the Missouri National Guard skidded off the end of a runway at Lambert Field today, coming within a short distance of a corporate plane that was taxiing on a separate runway.

No injuries were reported in the incident, which occurred shortly before 3 p.m.

Elizabeth Isham Cory, a spokeswoman for the Federal Aviation Administration, said the jet skidded off the end of runway 30 right, Lambert's northernmost runway. It had taken off from Lambert earlier and was returning to the airport.

Cory said the jet was landing and could not stop, crossed over runway 24, which runs diagonally to 30 right, and came close to the Jetstream corporate jet that was taxiing nearby. The corporate jet was able to stop in time before colliding with the military jet.

It was not immediately clear who owns the corporate jet.

The FAA's investigation into the incident is continuing.

For more on this story, check back with STLtoday.com or read Tuesday's Post-Dispatch."


This thread was the first I've heard of it. I made a quick call to work to find out what was up. My coworkers said that it was a flight of two guard aircraft, nothing unusual. The first one landed normal, they often keep the nose of the ground as long as possible to scrub off speed. The second one touched down, did the same, and then the nose slammed on the ground. It slid to the end, ended up in the mud from construction. The way they say it slid across 24 and the fact that my coworkers said it was over by Boeing would lead me to believe that it was a landing on 30R, they usually use the south side because it's right by the base.

Without seeing it, I would guess that it was a gear collapse as well. If they had a hydraulic failure they would put the power back in, and go around. The airport has arresting gear on a couple runways and it happens more often than you would think. Second, I've never heard of a "jetstream corporate jet" my guess, Corporate Express Airlines or Trans States. Gotta love the media.

It's windy as all get out here today, I elected not to go flying as a result. But I wouldn't rule that out as a contributing factor. I hope this is the poop folks were looking for, I'll try and dig some stuff up as it becomes available.



DMI
User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 7 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3605 times:

Here's the NOTAM in effect: STL 03/005 STL 6/24 CLSD DISABLED ACFT

Only other NOTAMs on the D-ATIS are that taxiways A and D are closed west of taxiway M.

Here's an airport diagram for STL:
http://www.naco.faa.gov/content/naco/online/airportdiagrams/00360AD.pdf

Original word I heard was that he was "off the end of 24" and 30R (or 30L) were never mentioned.

Anybody local in STL who can eyeball it with reference to the above airport chart?


User currently offlinePilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3150 posts, RR: 11
Reply 9, posted (10 years 7 months 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 3532 times:

Just saw the news report on the local news. The aircraft was part of the 131 FW of the Missouri ANG. Based at Lambert. It is an F-15A, one of the oldest in the USAF inventory. Most made from 1976-78. The guard confimrmed that it was a gear collapse.

Based on the pictures they showed, and the info from my friends who are working tonight, the aircraft is sitting basically where "Elv 528" is noted for the threshold of 12L. The buildings to the north of that location are the Boeing plant, where that plane was made back in the day and where it's predesessors come from today. I work on the General aviation ramp that is to the east of there with the fire station on it. We have a pretty good view of the area where the aircraft ran off. It sounds like they have it out of the mud and on a taxiway now, maybe Foxtrot or Mike.




DMI
User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 10, posted (10 years 7 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3465 times:

Thanks for the clarification, pip....

It would appear that the original word was flawed, in that he went off the "side" of 24, and not the "end", and that 24 is (maybe "was" by now) closed for debris and ARFF vehicle access. It's a good thing they're landing 30L/R, and not on 12L/R.


User currently offlineMaiznblu_757 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 5112 posts, RR: 50
Reply 11, posted (10 years 7 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3395 times:

Can someone explain to me what a Jetstream corporate jet looks like? I heard of a Gulfstream, but, not a Jetstream.

Or do they mean Jetstream as in Jetstream turboprop?


User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 12, posted (10 years 7 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3345 times:

Glad to hear everything is allright, talking wiht my man pilotpip and he seems everyhtign si clear so great to hear thats one STL TOPIC I DONT wanna hear about.

Alex



Good things come to those who wait, better things come to those who go AFTER it!
User currently offlineThrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2690 posts, RR: 10
Reply 13, posted (10 years 7 months 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 3303 times:

I am also glad everything is all right, including the aircraft. I did not know about this incident until I saw the title of this discussion, and I am an STL citizen. Boy has my head been in the clouds locally.


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User currently offlinePilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3150 posts, RR: 11
Reply 14, posted (10 years 7 months 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 3285 times:

Maiznblu_757, You know how the media is, they don't get the facts, or just print what they think the facts are. As I said earlier, it had to be a Jetstream 32 or 41. Quite a few fly from STL for AA codeshares.

OPNLguy, very good that they weren't landing the other way. The pilot would more than likely have gotten hurt or hit a car on McDonnel after going through the fence. There's a pretty good hill there so I don't think I-170 would have become an issue. Taxiways Alpha and Delta have been closed for some time now. Over the past couple years they have been going through and repaving them one at a time.

If I hear anything else I'll let everybody know. I have to do some homework sometime.



DMI
User currently offlineBoeing nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 7 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3201 times:

Sounds like I missed all the fun!

Guys, I work at STL operations. I'll post details of what happened when I get into work tonight. Might be even able to get some pics posted.

Also, the Taxiway A & D closure is for construction and had nothing to do with the incident.


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 7 months 5 days 5 hours ago) and read 3145 times:

>>>Might be even able to get some pics posted.


That would be great....  Big grin


User currently offlineBoeing Nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 7 months 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 3035 times:

OK guys, here's the scoop so far.

The F-15 remains at the point of rest after skidding off runway 30R yesterday. It will remain there until later today after the Missouri Air National Guard concludes on site investigations. (measuring skidmarks)
There were no problems in flight and the landing was fine. The pilot encountered problems during rollout. At the end of 30R, the aircraft started skidding off towards the left continuing it's skid across runway 6/24 coming to rest off the west side of 6/24, south of taxiway F. Pilot claims brake failure. Strangely though, there are three skidmarks on 6/24 before the edge of the grass. It could be a couple weeks before the investigation is completed.

No pics available yet, but there are some on record.


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 7 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 2881 times:

Any idea how far off the 12L/30R extended centerline it is, and how far from the threshold 12L?

User currently offlineBoeing nut From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 7 months 4 days 12 hours ago) and read 2792 times:

Well, I could guess by giving you a couple hundred feet estimate. What I can tell you is it's close enough to the safety area for 12L that if STL were to deteriorate to CAT I conditions there would be delays. And if STL went to CAT II conditions it would close the airport.

Ooooff!!!  Wow!


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 7 months 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2672 times:

That's about what I suspected... Any idea when they'll have it removed?

User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 7 months 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2561 times:

Was just advised that the F-15 has been removed....

User currently offlinePilotpip From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3150 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (10 years 7 months 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2518 times:

OPNLguy,

I relinquish my title of "giver of the STL poop" to you.  Big thumbs up

Thanks for the updates.



DMI
User currently offlineAtrude777 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 5692 posts, RR: 52
Reply 23, posted (10 years 7 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2407 times:

[i]OPNLguy,

I relinquish my title of "giver of the STL poop" to you.  

Thanks for the updates.[/i]


heheh lol darn pilotpip id be HONORED to have that title lol

Alex



Good things come to those who wait, better things come to those who go AFTER it!
User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 7 months 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2338 times:

It wouldn't exactly be the first time that I'd been accused of giving someone a ration of it.....  Big grin (Probably wouldn't be the LAST, either...)



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