Cmckeithen From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 617 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7466 times:
I just flew in last night and they enforced this by having one of the flight attendants simply ask the passanger to return to his/her seat and wait for the blue light to go off. If they refuse, they will be in interfearance of a flight. A federal offense.
Ssides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 7461 times:
I've flown AA dozens of times since 9/11, and they always mention this policy, but don't enforce it very much. It is generally more enforced for the forward lavs than the aft lavs, but still it's spotty. I was under the impression that this regulation has been in place for a while.
The purpose is to prevent a sudden mad rush for the cockpit. The theory, I assume, is that terrorists could coordinate "lining up" at the restroom, then all decide to rush the cockpit at the same time.
7574EVER From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 478 posts, RR: 4
Reply 7, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7387 times:
I posted this comment in a similar topic (Keeping your legs crossed for 14 hours).
"OK, OK. Here's what I don't understand. We can't form a "group" to wait to use the lav. Whoever has ever been on an airliner will know that their is no way to form a group in the aisle of an airplane. It's only wide enough for people to form a line. So I think the announcements need to be clarified a bit as to how many people in a line make a group. Anyway, that being said, what about these reinforced cockpit doors that are supposedly impenetrable. If these new doors are as good as the "big wigs" say they are, why is there a need for this silly bathroom rule. God, I feel like I'm back to the days where I had to ask for permission to go to use the bathroom at school."
Right rudder....Right rudder...Come on, more right rudder....Right rudder......Aw forget it, I quit!!
Flairport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7055 times:
i'm seriously interested on how to fairly make this work...a person who has had to go for 20 mins, but is furthest away from the lav...does that person have a disadvantage? Will FAs direct people to an open restroom? Will parents with their little kids be forced to go sit down while their kids are using the restroom, scared about turbulance?
does this also mean no galley visits?
somehow i think this is not real. Even so, it is unconstitutional...if i got arrested for this, i'd go straight to the suprime court.
Ozzie From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 7017 times:
Flairport-I am not sure where this is noted in the constitution, because I am sure are Founding Fathers did not insert a clause saying "People may not wait in line for a lavatory" but...I may be wrong. I keep a copy of the constitution on my desk, I'll check up on it.
Anyway, How the heck are we supposed to know when one is open? I know someone who enjoys spending long periods of time in lavs, and others who get out ASAP.
Cedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 8377 posts, RR: 54
Reply 21, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6892 times:
I find this absolutely astonishing. If it's such a big deal, maybe have toilets midships and aft - there's no way you could make a meaningful charge to the cockpit from further than 5 rows, too many obstructions, curtains etc. Land of the brave eh.
fly Saha Air 707s daily from Tehran's downtown Mehrabad to Mashhad, Kish Island and Ahwaz
LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13470 posts, RR: 17
Reply 24, posted (11 years 4 months 1 week 1 day ago) and read 6686 times:
Maybe they could have groups of rows take turns, just like loading, with exemptions for handicapped, etc. Of course there would be many trying to get exemptions "I got a bladder problem...I have diarriaha". The f/a's could make announcements at busy times for the lav like: "The lavatory in the center section of the aircraft is open to passangers in rows 12 to 16 and the lavatory in the aft is now open for use by passangers in rows 35 to 40..."
Rules like this usually have their reasons, including here where the air marshalls don't want their view blocked of the front of the aircraft, a group of people gathering together to storm the cockpit or set up a hijacking, or to reduce the risk of injury of passangers (and lawsuit costs) not in seats and belts on in case of turbulance.
: Funny how everyone gets up in arms and angry and bashes the US over something that in all probablity does not exist. If someone can provide a direct l
: No one on this continent seems capable of saying this emperor wears no clothes..... For that of course you need schools that actually teach you to rea
: As of the mid-80s, you have started to see Little LAVATORY OCCUPIED signs in aircraft. Even re-furbished aircraft have them now. FLs older DC9s didn't
: Stand in line? Why bother? Too much effort anyway. Use the floor. It will become "The New Normal" "... Our new lav-free flights may not smell mountain
: Everyone is shooting off sarcastic comments without any evidence. I looked into it. I am a FA and frequently fly up front. Its not a FAA regulation bu
: Ushermittwoch, yeah, numbers like they do at the post office. You pick a number from a dispenser on the wall, then go sit down until your number is ca
: I am not supposed to discuss security issues with people who don't have a need to know. Doesn't the "no standing in line for the potty" rule constitut
: And what about SQ's new A345 Leadership SIN-LAX? (and soon SIN-NYC). I heard they have a bar area where passengers can mingle around. Why worry about
: So now we have reinforced cockpit doors that you can't get through even with an axes. How on earth would 10 people trying to bash it have a chance, st
: Keno - good point. Also, what about the stand-up bar in Upper Class on VS - does that constitute a danger to National Security as well ? Why doesn't t
: I am not sure about this. I think someone mis-understood it. I think that it applies to the FORWARD lav. I always hear F/A's say they do not allow peo
: Bruce, the First Class argument is only valid for airlines with a First Class. No LCCs need apply. In Europe (ok no reg here but just blabblering), no
: There's only one word for this new regulation: stupid and oh wonder - it's a US policy again. What are they, afraid of every human being alive? come o
: I have to fly to the US in May. I guess this means that I will, yet again, choose a European carrier. No change there. Even before 9/11, I disliked th
: Jafa - I thought the whole point of your country's wonderful new security system was that people with dubious intentions couldn't get on the aircraft
: Agree Trident2e! Also, even if they get on board, how will the chew their way through the cockpit door? With their teeth or with the toothpick from th
: Skydrol, "Stand in line? Why bother? Too much effort anyway. Use the floor. It will become "The New Normal"" You may think it's funny, but I have a fr
: Paranoya is why all this is happening. The only way to get to the lav is to rush once someone gets out. If you lose, oh well. You'll have to go back t
: You may think it's funny, but I have a friend who is an F/A with Lufthansa who told me that on a flight from New Delhi once one of the passengers just