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No More Standing In Line For Potty While In Air  
User currently offlineCmckeithen From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 617 posts, RR: 1
Posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 7029 times:

As of Sunday Feb 29th 2004, FAA regulations prohibits passangers to stand and wait for and occupied lavatory to become available.

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User currently offlineDeltaflyertoo From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 1637 posts, RR: 1
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6964 times:

Never heard of this...how will this be enforced, what about pax who don't need to go but are standing around to stretch?

User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6956 times:

Why did FAA make change with their rules onboard with airplanes and no more wait than of 5 mins, right? I would like still know about what is going on with airlines and else?

User currently offlinePJS800 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 242 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6935 times:

Guess people will start having to race to the lavatory when they see it becomes unoccupied. What is the purpose of this new regulation?

PJ Smile


User currently offlineCmckeithen From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 617 posts, RR: 1
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6905 times:

It's true.

I just flew in last night and they enforced this by having one of the flight attendants simply ask the passanger to return to his/her seat and wait for the blue light to go off. If they refuse, they will be in interfearance of a flight. A federal offense.

[Edited 2004-03-01 23:39:57]

User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6900 times:

I've flown AA dozens of times since 9/11, and they always mention this policy, but don't enforce it very much. It is generally more enforced for the forward lavs than the aft lavs, but still it's spotty. I was under the impression that this regulation has been in place for a while.

The purpose is to prevent a sudden mad rush for the cockpit. The theory, I assume, is that terrorists could coordinate "lining up" at the restroom, then all decide to rush the cockpit at the same time.



"Lose" is not spelled with two o's!!!!
User currently offlineCmckeithen From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 617 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6883 times:

I think its more for safety of the passenger. Un-expected turbulence.

[Edited 2004-03-01 23:45:28]

User currently offline7574EVER From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 478 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6826 times:

I posted this comment in a similar topic (Keeping your legs crossed for 14 hours).

"OK, OK. Here's what I don't understand. We can't form a "group" to wait to use the lav. Whoever has ever been on an airliner will know that their is no way to form a group in the aisle of an airplane. It's only wide enough for people to form a line. So I think the announcements need to be clarified a bit as to how many people in a line make a group. Anyway, that being said, what about these reinforced cockpit doors that are supposedly impenetrable. If these new doors are as good as the "big wigs" say they are, why is there a need for this silly bathroom rule. God, I feel like I'm back to the days where I had to ask for permission to go to use the bathroom at school."



Right rudder....Right rudder...Come on, more right rudder....Right rudder......Aw forget it, I quit!!
User currently offlineRonE From Israel, joined Jan 2001, 326 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6789 times:

Jeez, why don't they just make it a requirement for everyone who flies to have their bladder surgically removed?

User currently offlineUshermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2963 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6763 times:

So are they going to hand out numbers for people that want to go to the lavatory so people know when it's their turn? Otherwise I can see more harm than good coming out of this.


Where have all the tri-jets gone...
User currently offlineCmckeithen From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 617 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6741 times:

Can I take a number please. Oh shoot its 17 and I gotta go.

User currently offlineRonE From Israel, joined Jan 2001, 326 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6715 times:

Maybe instead of numbers they'll start issuing catheters for everyone before takeoff Big grin

User currently offlineCmckeithen From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 617 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 6698 times:

Or better yet cups. I would check that apple juice before you drink it on your next flight.

User currently offlineTheiler From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 633 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6622 times:

Doesn't really matter. Sooner or later, the lavs will dissapear from commercial flights in the US anyway, given the current "low cost" operating model.

Thank god for NetJets, Flight Options, Flex Jet, etc.


User currently offlineJhooper From United States of America, joined Dec 2001, 6199 posts, RR: 12
Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6594 times:

Can someone please cite a specific regulation number, and/or post the actual regulation???


Last year 1,944 New Yorkers saw something and said something.
User currently offlineUshermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2963 posts, RR: 16
Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6582 times:

Theiler, does that mean we'll see B1900RJs?
On ultra-low density trans-cons (EUG-BGR, maybe)?
 Wink/being sarcastic



Where have all the tri-jets gone...
User currently offlineFlairport From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6494 times:

i'm seriously interested on how to fairly make this work...a person who has had to go for 20 mins, but is furthest away from the lav...does that person have a disadvantage? Will FAs direct people to an open restroom? Will parents with their little kids be forced to go sit down while their kids are using the restroom, scared about turbulance?

does this also mean no galley visits?

somehow i think this is not real. Even so, it is unconstitutional...if i got arrested for this, i'd go straight to the suprime court.


User currently offlineOzzie From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6456 times:

Flairport-I am not sure where this is noted in the constitution, because I am sure are Founding Fathers did not insert a clause saying "People may not wait in line for a lavatory" but...I may be wrong. I keep a copy of the constitution on my desk, I'll check up on it.

Anyway, How the heck are we supposed to know when one is open? I know someone who enjoys spending long periods of time in lavs, and others who get out ASAP.

Ozzie in PHC


User currently offlineCmckeithen From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 617 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6437 times:

The Blue Light on one of the panels near the lav.

User currently offlineFlyingbronco05 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3840 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6388 times:

Never heard of this...how will this be enforced, what about pax who don't need to go but are standing around to stretch?

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1331469/4/

http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/1336562/



Never Trust Your Fuel Gauge
User currently offline5T6 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 283 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6353 times:

Just wait till they install PAY toilets (exact change only, of course)!! Gotta get them revenues anyway they can!  Big thumbs up

Regards,

Mike



I see my Cats as Companions. My Cats see Me as Furniture!
User currently offlineCedarjet From United Kingdom, joined May 1999, 7925 posts, RR: 54
Reply 21, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6331 times:

I find this absolutely astonishing. If it's such a big deal, maybe have toilets midships and aft - there's no way you could make a meaningful charge to the cockpit from further than 5 rows, too many obstructions, curtains etc. Land of the brave eh.


fly Saha Air 707s daily from Tehran's downtown Mehrabad to Mashhad, Kish Island and Ahwaz
User currently offlineWindowSeat From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1311 posts, RR: 58
Reply 22, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6329 times:



Anyone have any information on the actual regulation? Also, does this apply to international carriers flying to/from the US?

cheers



I'm all in favour of keeping dangerous weapons out of the hands of fools. Let's start with keyboards.
User currently offlineLuv2fly From United States of America, joined May 2003, 12090 posts, RR: 50
Reply 23, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 6258 times:

When flying ATA/TZ last year on a charter flight they did make an announcement about no lining up for the forward lavatory! Also I remember WN doing this as well.


You can cut the irony with a knife
User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 12878 posts, RR: 12
Reply 24, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 6125 times:

Maybe they could have groups of rows take turns, just like loading, with exemptions for handicapped, etc. Of course there would be many trying to get exemptions "I got a bladder problem...I have diarriaha". The f/a's could make announcements at busy times for the lav like: "The lavatory in the center section of the aircraft is open to passangers in rows 12 to 16 and the lavatory in the aft is now open for use by passangers in rows 35 to 40..." Big grin
Rules like this usually have their reasons, including here where the air marshalls don't want their view blocked of the front of the aircraft, a group of people gathering together to storm the cockpit or set up a hijacking, or to reduce the risk of injury of passangers (and lawsuit costs) not in seats and belts on in case of turbulance.


25 2912n : Funny how everyone gets up in arms and angry and bashes the US over something that in all probablity does not exist. If someone can provide a direct l
26 Nwadc10 : No one on this continent seems capable of saying this emperor wears no clothes..... For that of course you need schools that actually teach you to rea
27 BR715-A1-30 : As of the mid-80s, you have started to see Little LAVATORY OCCUPIED signs in aircraft. Even re-furbished aircraft have them now. FLs older DC9s didn't
28 Skydrol : Stand in line? Why bother? Too much effort anyway. Use the floor. It will become "The New Normal" "... Our new lav-free flights may not smell mountain
29 Jafa : Everyone is shooting off sarcastic comments without any evidence. I looked into it. I am a FA and frequently fly up front. Its not a FAA regulation bu
30 KaiGywer : Ushermittwoch, yeah, numbers like they do at the post office. You pick a number from a dispenser on the wall, then go sit down until your number is ca
31 Jhooper : I am not supposed to discuss security issues with people who don't have a need to know. Doesn't the "no standing in line for the potty" rule constitut
32 KEno : And what about SQ's new A345 Leadership SIN-LAX? (and soon SIN-NYC). I heard they have a bar area where passengers can mingle around. Why worry about
33 Starlionblue : So now we have reinforced cockpit doors that you can't get through even with an axes. How on earth would 10 people trying to bash it have a chance, st
34 JGPH1A : Keno - good point. Also, what about the stand-up bar in Upper Class on VS - does that constitute a danger to National Security as well ? Why doesn't t
35 Bruce : I am not sure about this. I think someone mis-understood it. I think that it applies to the FORWARD lav. I always hear F/A's say they do not allow peo
36 Starlionblue : Bruce, the First Class argument is only valid for airlines with a First Class. No LCCs need apply. In Europe (ok no reg here but just blabblering), no
37 Pilatusguy : There's only one word for this new regulation: stupid and oh wonder - it's a US policy again. What are they, afraid of every human being alive? come o
38 Starlionblue : I have to fly to the US in May. I guess this means that I will, yet again, choose a European carrier. No change there. Even before 9/11, I disliked th
39 Trident2e : Jafa - I thought the whole point of your country's wonderful new security system was that people with dubious intentions couldn't get on the aircraft
40 Starlionblue : Agree Trident2e! Also, even if they get on board, how will the chew their way through the cockpit door? With their teeth or with the toothpick from th
41 RonE : Skydrol, "Stand in line? Why bother? Too much effort anyway. Use the floor. It will become "The New Normal"" You may think it's funny, but I have a fr
42 Post contains images Je89_w : Paranoya is why all this is happening. The only way to get to the lav is to rush once someone gets out. If you lose, oh well. You'll have to go back t
43 Post contains images Starlionblue : You may think it's funny, but I have a friend who is an F/A with Lufthansa who told me that on a flight from New Delhi once one of the passengers just
44 RonE : Starlionblue, This was BEFORE 9/11
45 Starlionblue : Ok, remove the second part of that sentence. I'm afraid there will always be a number of twits in the population. Annoying but what are you going to d
46 Post contains links Pilottim747 : How about some information on this new directive (not an FAA regulation): Australians given mid-air toilet advice -- BBC News Toilet line bans, finger
47 747400F : Yet another reason to to fly to the US. Will stupidity never end!
48 BOEING747-700 : Yes I heard the FAs on my Flight say we couldn't stand and wait for the Lav. The one toilet was broken and so passengers would have to walk all the wa
49 Aircadet : What's all the fuss about, in the seat pocket in front of you there's a sick bag, just do it inside it and hand it to the TSA while they check your pa
50 A330 : one solution: try not to fly to the US anymore. If you have a choice to hold a convention either in the US or in another country, choose the latter. H
51 Jafa : There is no one miracle security solution. Security is based on layers of security, so that if one is penetrated the other "layers" will catch the bad
52 Cmckeithen : It's the same for International carriers also.
53 QIguy24 : With all these new ridiculous rules I am sure that people will start using other transportations then the earlier nice and relaxing flight. That is re
54 Post contains images Andz : Skydrol, I hate to say this, but your name is perfect for this topic....drol is slang for turd here in South Africa
55 A330 : Cmckeithen, FAA and TSA have no jurisdiction over International carriers, but that is something easily forgotten nowadays it seems.
56 Gr8slvrflt : Perhaps we should start advance lavatory assignments; except Southwest, of course! And Delta would probably only allow Medallion-level passengers to p
57 Bongo : Already been discussed... but agree with you: paranoia is the word!!!
58 Cmckeithen : True.....I herd somewhere that the Int'l carriers have the same policy about the bathrooms but correct me if I am wrong. There should be the WFA. Worl
59 Post contains images Ushermittwoch : I didn't hear anything of that matter on my recent flight in and to the US. So I guess it's more of a company policy than anything else. Or maybe I ju
60 Silverfox : I thought the reason behind this was to foil a gas attack. Just think of all that curry brewing up inside and a coordinated 10 arsehole burst, wipe ou
61 Starlionblue : QIguy24 said: With all these new ridiculous rules I am sure that people will start using other transportations then the earlier nice and relaxing flig
62 Spike : If it was an A340-500 with a window in the loo, I'd just move my seat and stay there rather than be 'caught out'.
63 Skyguy : Here is a little known fact; interfering with the operation of an aircraft over US airspace is a Federal offence, the Captain of the aircraft holds u
64 Post contains images Ushermittwoch : Hey Skyguy, where did you hear that great idea? I think people that have had martial arts training should be banned next. Not only could they knock ou
65 Airlinelover : Let's not forget that when people just ahve to go and line up, it makes that F/A's jobs that much harder, as they often have to get around pax to do t
66 TZFALAX : Is stupidity a disease? As Jafa said, its only the forward lav. This policy is not only to give added protection to the flight deck, but allow all FAs
67 Delta767300ER : This is kind of a good thing. When I'm sitting near the rear of a 757 I cant stand when their are people taking up the aisle waiting to get into the l
68 Post contains images SoAmSky : Everybody wears a disposable diaper when flying, what's the problem?
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