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Houston Hobby's New Terminal And Airtran  
User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 6 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5770 times:

Last time I was at Hobby, FL was still using the Antique "Mobile Home" terminal. Have they moved into the new terminal yet? Just wondering.

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User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (10 years 6 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5737 times:

Good question. I haven't been to HOU since June, and I was only in the small AAEagle section then. I'd be interested to see how the new terminal looks when finished.

Also, what is the "antique mobile home" terminal at HOU?



"Lose" is not spelled with two o's!!!!
User currently offlineJBLUA320 From United States of America, joined May 2002, 3179 posts, RR: 19
Reply 2, posted (10 years 6 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5713 times:
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Thank you Bryan for that insightful commentary  Big grin

According to the Houston Airport webpage, which was last updated at some point in 2004, AirTran is flying from Terminal B.

JBLU


User currently offlineCmckeithen From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 617 posts, RR: 1
Reply 3, posted (10 years 6 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5708 times:

There is no consturction that is going on at HOU. I was there last night.

User currently offlineDeltaMD11 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 1701 posts, RR: 34
Reply 4, posted (10 years 6 months 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 5703 times:

Ben,
Just felt it was my duty to chime in on my experiences with this "airline" if that's what they like to call it. Big grin



Too often we ... enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought. - John Fitzgerald Kennedy
User currently offlineDeltaffindfw From United States of America, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 1440 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 6 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5666 times:


I didn't think they were even close to being finished with construction. If you stand in C (where the HOU-DAL flights used to be), you can see the new gates right in front of the window. The old concourse C (AA Eagle and DL) is still standing, so construction must be going on.

From the HOU site:
[2] NEW CENTRAL CONCOURSE

Southwest Airlines' operations are currently split between Concourses A and C. As part of the capital improvements pro- gram, Concourses B and C will be demolished in phases and a new single 20-gate central concourse will be constructed for Southwest Airlines. The new central concourse will offer improved passenger amenities and services. In addition the existing terminal will be expanded and renovated to provide Southwest Airlines' passengers with improved access between the curbside and each gate.



User currently offlineCmckeithen From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 617 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (10 years 6 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5644 times:

Sorry. It was late and rainny when I arrived. I did see some construction vehciles but thought nothing of it. However, I thought it was weried departing from gate A8 last night. WN used to be in B at HOU.

WN had a banner up in the A concourse saying will be moving in April.


User currently offlineDeltaffindfw From United States of America, joined exactly 11 years ago today! , 1440 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 6 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5633 times:

I know that some flights are out of A and some out of the 'new' B. Below is a link to show what the end product should look like:

http://hou.houstonairportsystem.org/masterplan/process


User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 6 months 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 5591 times:

Just felt it was my duty to chime in on my experiences with this "airline" if that's what they like to call it. Well, Let me chime in then. FL is a great little airline, I would hardly call Concourse C a trailer park. You have to remember, Concourse C was, is, and probably always will be the bastard concourse of ATL. But I still think it is nice. Warm, and Southerly. It sure is a breath of fresh air from all those Delta jets you see in Every Concourse

User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 6 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5543 times:

As it turns out, the city's site is a little general and dated... Effective tomorrow, Tuesday, March 2nd, SWA is moving more flights.... This was issued last week, on 2/26...
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HOU Travel Advisory:
New HOU Gates Will Bring Changes
With eight new gates opening on Tuesday, March 2 at Houston’s Hobby Airport, please encourage our Customers to check flight monitors, or ask a Southwest representative for assistance during the next several weeks. This transition will involve gate changes from the A Concourse to the new Central Concourse.
---------------------------------------

After the move, SWA will be closing "A" Concourse gates 1, 2, 4, 6, and 8. The remaining "A: Concourse gates 3, 5, 7, 9, and 11 (with 10 as a spare) will be supposedly be used for all WESTBOUND flights from HOU.

I would imagine that with all the SWA gate roulette, other airlines will be making changes as well.


User currently offlineYoungDon From United States of America, joined May 2001, 410 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 6 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5502 times:

I haven't been in the new terminal yet, but as far as the old terminals go, they are trash. Pure and simple. Trash. I'm sure the new one is nice though. I hope to God it is.  Smile


User currently offlineKanebear From United States of America, joined May 2002, 953 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (10 years 6 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5468 times:

HOU has been around a LOOONG time. The A terminal by and large hasn't changed at all since I was a child of 7 and I'm 31 now! The B terminal is a breath of fresh air and means I no longer absolutely detest flying out of HOU anymore. It's airy, comfortable, quiet and very pleasing visually. Now if they'd just knock down the rest of the airport it'd be great.  Big grin

User currently offlineBigB From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 596 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (10 years 6 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5426 times:

Alright you guys and Hobby Aiports fans. Here is some news and answers.

Hobby Airport is currently undergoing to Terminal recontruction at the moment.

Southwest, will open the second half of central central concourse tomorrow (March 2nd). Expect more food places, such as Wendy's to open tomorrow along with the second phrase of of the Central Concourse.

Southwest's A ticket counter has now been shut down. All check-in for Southwest is in the central area of the Hobby Airports Terminal.

Airtran is still at B concourse, but in April, that will change. Starting in April, FL will be located to C concourse a long with American, and Delta.

Concourse B will be taken down for construction on the Appron for gates, 20,22,24,26 on the central concourse. the North side end of central concourse.

A concourse is still standing with only a fraction of Southwest flights operating out of this concourse now. PHX,LAX,LAS,CRP,ELP,SAT,AUS, are the main cities that have flights out of the A concourse, everything esle will be on Central Concourse starting tomorrow. Gates A2,A4,A6,A8 will be taken down for Appron contruction and the next phrase of the Hobby Airport terminal recontruction project.



ETSN Baber, USN
User currently offlineMidway2airtran From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 864 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (10 years 6 months 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5409 times:

DeltaMD11,
"AirTran aircraft are basically flying Winnebago's if you want to get to the heart of the issue. Ghetto fabulous operation, and quite shady if you ask me. Turned a simple trip to Florida into a nightmare of lost luggage and poor service."

Who's more successful now, growing and actually profitable??

Many DL passengers are happier with our service and leaving the $1000 fares and Medallion crap behind them, gee no wonder

May we say envy!!

Cheers! Smile



"Life is short, but your delay in ATL is not."
User currently offlineDeltaMD11 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 1701 posts, RR: 34
Reply 14, posted (10 years 6 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5307 times:

Nice to see you try to retort, but lets go over a few of the things I experienced on my trip with FL. Where should we begin? I fly pretty much according to equipment-whatever equipment I have a hankering for, that's what I fly (if of course it's convenient and not going to cost me an arm and a leg as opposed to other carriers). Ok, so a little 5 day excursion down to Florida to stay with my Great Aunt who lives in there during the winter months so that she can play golf.

Out of my four lovely (I use that word lightly) legs with AirTran, 1 departed on-time. Terminal C at ATL---maintenance consists of buckets to catch water and duct tape where applicable. You'd think AirTran would spend a little money on fixing it up since it's where the majority of their flights go in and out of. I boarded the aircraft at ATL to continue on to find a wet blanket in my seat and a McDonalds coke cup in my seat pocket. Lovely. Not only that but our luggage was mishandled--BOTH WAYS. Not just on the trip down, but on the trip back home as well. The day we arrived in Florida, we had to go back to the airport 3 hours later to get our bags which were brought in on a later flight-needless to say that was a bit of an annoyance. I would certainly have thought 1 1/2 hours connecting time would be plenty for them to move our bags 4 gates down into another aircraft. I think the only good part of that trip was flying on the DC-9's themselves. Other than that, the service was horrible. We took one trip with AirTran, and that was a mistake. Never again. For $30 more per person we could have had nice, clean aircraft, arrived on time, and chances are our baggage wouldn't have been mishandled either. You pay for what you get when you fly AirTran-nothing (asides from a headache).



Too often we ... enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought. - John Fitzgerald Kennedy
User currently offlineJsnww81 From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2030 posts, RR: 15
Reply 15, posted (10 years 6 months 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5267 times:

The Hobby reconstruction really seems to have crept along at a snail's pace... Southwest received four or five new gates about eight months ago and only now are moving their bulk of their operations (with the addition of new gates today) to the new concourse.

To answer the question about AirTran... the plan calls for building another concourse, located roughly where Southwest's Concourse A is now, that will be used by the 'other' carriers at HOU (CoEx, American, Delta and AirTran.) I assume this will be built once the Southwest terminal is complete - does anyone know for sure?


User currently offlineCoAir@IAH From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 years 6 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5250 times:

So where are they going to put Continental and COEx when they start fly from HOU to EWR and CLE respectively?

Jack


User currently offlineTexan From New Zealand, joined Dec 2003, 4277 posts, RR: 52
Reply 17, posted (10 years 6 months 5 days 3 hours ago) and read 5244 times:

Back in early December when I passed through HOU, FL was still using the old area. WN's Texas councourse (Texas flights were the only ones leaving from there when I was there) is extraordinarily well done. Nice design, light, airy, a dramatic improvement!

Texan



"I have always imagined that Paradise will be a kind of library."
User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 6 months 5 days 1 hour ago) and read 5182 times:

Terminal C at ATL---maintenance consists of buckets to catch water and duct tape where applicable. You'd think AirTran would spend a little money on fixing it up since it's where the majority of their flights go in and out of.

Building MX on Concourse C is not AirTran's responsibility, it is the airport authorities' responsibility. I've seen buckets and duct tape on most of the concourse except E, the leaky roofs are being taken care of, as the airport can get around to doing it. Blame the city's bid policy, not the airlines for the leaky roofs.


User currently offlineDeltaMD11 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 1701 posts, RR: 34
Reply 19, posted (10 years 6 months 5 days ago) and read 5130 times:

I've traveled through ATL a good deal and the Delta terminals are NOTHING like Terminal C. You can't tell me that Delta hasn't dumped some money into those terminals to make them as nice as they are.


Too often we ... enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought. - John Fitzgerald Kennedy
User currently offlineJaydavis From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2000 posts, RR: 16
Reply 20, posted (10 years 6 months 4 days 23 hours ago) and read 5093 times:

Just an FYI, AirTran no longer flies DC-9's  Smile !!

We fly an all new Boeing fleet, with an average age of 2.6 years and it is getting younger and younger with 50 new Boeing 737's starting to arrive in June 2004, along with 10 more B-717's......50 more Boeing 737's are on option. We are a profitable carrier, unlike Delta, so we must be doing something right  Smile !!

Delta doesn't have a clue how to run a low-cost carrier.
Song????? What a joke !!

We are also getting XM Satellite Radio in all of our aircraft and we aren't even charging the passengers for it. It will work with most "normal" headphone jacks that people have for their computers and walkmans......



Jay


User currently offlineBigB From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 596 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (10 years 6 months 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 5029 times:

The Hobby reconstruction really seems to have crept along at a snail's pace... Southwest received four or five new gates about eight months ago and only now are moving their bulk of their operations (with the addition of new gates today) to the new concourse.

To answer the question about AirTran... the plan calls for building another concourse, located roughly where Southwest's Concourse A is now, that will be used by the 'other' carriers at HOU (CoEx, American, Delta and AirTran.) I assume this will be built once the Southwest terminal is complete - does anyone know for sure?


You are correct, contruction has been slow but its starting to pick up from the looks of it. Yes A concourse is supose to be rebuild a long with that Terminal side wich is supose to be widen.



ETSN Baber, USN
User currently offlineDeltaMD11 From United States of America, joined Dec 2002, 1701 posts, RR: 34
Reply 22, posted (10 years 6 months 4 days 13 hours ago) and read 5002 times:

Thanks for that FYI Jay (something I'm well aware of)---pity they retired the Diesel 9. Was a good aircraft, although cost cutting and commonality is the name of the game these days so it was a good move on their part. The trip I'm referencing took place in December of 2002.

It's easy to say that right now AirTran is more profitable than Delta (or any other major for that matter except Southwest). This is due in part to the sour global economy right now. You have to remember that AirTran is the size of a peanut compared to the operations that the majors have and AirTran has found itself nice little markets that they've dug themselves into being able to offer low fairs due to a relatively low CASM. That coupled with the fact that many of the smaller cities give AirTran subsidies to serve them to make sure that they can sustain competitive mainline service (Wichita immediately comes to mind). AirTran doesn't have to compete with other carriers on premium routes (maybe with the exception of DL to Florida, and I have to admit they have been able to gain a sizeable marketshare) to Europe, Asia, or elsewhere. I'm not trying to be bias to Delta really, I'm speaking on behalf of the rest of the majors in which I've all-around experienced a higher level of service and comfort albeit at prices a little more than AirTran would charge. For $30 more I'd rather have a clean plane, have my bags arrive when I do, and not be given the run around by customer service telling us that we had inadequate connection time in ATL for them to be able to move our bags--that's what really ticked us off. We were on the ground for an hour and a half, way more than enough time for them to move our bags a few gates down. That trip was a nightmare. We'll stick with what works from now on and fly venerable companies that we have had countless excellent experiences with (mainly DL, NW, CO, HP).

And in your reference to Song--I have yet to fly them but would really like to try them (oooh, I'm a poet and didn't know it). I have friends that have flown Song and said that they're great. Haven't heard too much negative feedback about them (even from a friend who is a loyal jetBlue fan said that Song is pretty nice), and consider your comment just a cheap jab without any true substance. Have a good one!

[Edited 2004-03-03 12:47:26]


Too often we ... enjoy the comfort of opinion without the discomfort of thought. - John Fitzgerald Kennedy
User currently offlineJayDavis From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2000 posts, RR: 16
Reply 23, posted (10 years 6 months 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 4967 times:

DeltaMD11,

You are extremely biased towards Delta so I am not even going to bother commenting further. If it weren't for AirTran in the markets, you'd be paying much higher and outrageous fares for your trips, no matter where they are. In fact, a friend of mine who works for CO told me that he was in a meeting and the DL folks were there also, (SkyTeam) and they reported that LCC are affecting 68% of their route structure. Before AirTran started service between ATL and SFO, the fare was $727.00 one-way. When we started service there, we dropped the fare to $112.00 one-way. Of course, DL and UA matched it but do you think they would have lowered their fare to a very reasonable fare level without us in the market? NOPE !!

The legacy carriers continue to rape and pileage the American consumer because their costs are so out of line, especially the pilots and especially the pilots at DL !!!!

I'm not wasting anymore time with this subject. Obviously we must be doing something right or AA, DL and others wouldn't now be fighting us tooth and nail for every route we open up! AA is offering triple mileage on any route that they compete with us on out of DFW..............

My comments about Song are my belief and I'll stick to them. No one has EVER made a low-fare carrier work within the confines of a regular carrier. It didn't work in the past, it won't work now, it won't work in the future..........

Can you say, Continental Lite, Shuttle by United/United Shuttle, MetroJet, Delta Express????? All failures............I rest my case........




User currently offlineWilliam From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1268 posts, RR: 0
Reply 24, posted (10 years 6 months 4 days 10 hours ago) and read 4960 times:

JayDavis,its nice you believe in your company,now when your airline grows up and has the serves as many cities as the majors and their partners then brag. I considered flying Airtran to Florida,but the wait times in ATL were pathetic,so I am flying DL for cheaper fare.........go figure........No disrespect to Airtran.

I will give Airtran credit for this,and that is turning it around from the embarrassment that was called Valuejet into a respectle carrier.



25 DeltaMD11 : Biased to DL on what grounds (other than my username). If you've payed any attention to what I've said I'm comparing all of the majors vs. rinky dink
26 BR715-A1-30 : DeltaMD11, I would like to try SONG out one day, I hear they are pretty good. That having been said, think about this. AirTran is in the middle of a h
27 Ssides : JayDavis -- Good to see you again. I have a question about this, however: AA is offering triple mileage on any route that they compete with us on out
28 SegmentKing : I was just going to mention that ASA is on the other end of "D", which is wholy owned by Delta :P So how is it AirTran's fault that the ceiling leaks?
29 Post contains images AAJAXFlyer : Can we blame all the problems on American Eagle You can blame anything on Executive if you really try.
30 JayDavis : DeltaMD11, There is such a thing as a legacy carrier. If you would read many of the business publications, DL, UA, AA are called, legacy carriers. I d
31 SegmentKing : Jay, Someone will come up with something negative to say about AirTran's "new" Boeing fleet. Its not Airbus the 717s are looking OLD & worn my pilot l
32 AmtrakGuy : Let's get back to the topic. I spoke to one of Southwest's employees in Hobby -- she told me that they never get details date until a few weeks in adv
33 Post contains images DeltaMD11 : "We hope to double the company's size within two to three years." Since you're so keen on the same old song ideal, have you ever heard of ambition and
34 BR715-A1-30 : So, AA is offering Triple Mileage on flights from DFW on routes that FL serves? Ah, What would we do without Frequent Flyer Programs? AA can't lower t
35 Post contains images DeltaMD11 : Good to see that you don't have your AirTran tunnelvision goggles like other people do Jake.
36 BR715-A1-30 : SegmentKing, Some of those 717s ARE starting to look old to tell you the honest to god truth. Those Beautiful Bluish-White Lights in the Cabin are beg
37 Post contains images JayDavis : DeltaMD11, AirTran does not just fly to underserved niche markets outside of Florida. We compete with the big boys on a daily basis to a number of des
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