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User currently offlineCmckeithen From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 617 posts, RR: 1
Posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3363 times:

After watching "Airline" and seeing those pax's have beer in the boarding area, I am very surprised that the airlines allow this to take place. Once through the security area, liquor stores/restaurants that sell liquor should be non existent. Not only is it a danger to the person, but think about the security problems it could possess. You have a guy that is drunk and decides to charge down the jetway onto a plane, numerous people are in danger.

Also, in my opinion, liquor should not be sold on flights. If you can't handel a flight w/o liquor, then you should not fly. And if you have someone who sneaks it onboard in his/her carryon and the FA notices it, they should be allowed to take it away.

liquor + Flying = Problems

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User currently offlineDeltaffindfw From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1448 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3260 times:


Given that 90+% of the flying public can handle their liquor and don't bother other pax, I don't agree with banning it. Some people might want a glass of wine after a hard days work!


User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8463 posts, RR: 10
Reply 2, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3245 times:
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Nationwide Airlines here have stopped supplying anything stronger than beer or wine on flights. Of course it's free though.


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User currently offlineDeltaffindfw From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1448 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3223 times:


I heard from an F/O at ASA that they will bring back liquor on their flights. Guess beer/wine wasn't enough for them!


User currently offlineBNA From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 78 posts, RR: 0
Reply 4, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3215 times:

How many people fly after having a few drinks and do not cause any problems or pose any threats?

Sorry, but your idea is inane.



User currently offlineSpike From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1170 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3215 times:

Why do airlines spend so much advtg$$ promoting thir fine wines and Champagnes? Most of us enjoy a drink on a plane and used to enjoy a cigarette with it too.  Sad

User currently offlineManchesterMAN From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 1234 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3210 times:

In the UK the two concessions every airport has after security is a duty-free shop and a pub. Drinking beer in the gate area is common and acceptable. This often causes problems when flights (particularly with holiday charters) when there are delays as is often demonstrated on the UK airline programme. However people like a nice relaxing drink before their flight and a nice glass of wine during their inflight meal. People should take responsibility for their own actions - if they want to drink excessively they should not be allowed to board and most people respect this.

You are not allowed to drink your own alcohol onboard and I believe the FAs already have the power to take it away if you're caught.



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User currently offlineB747skipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3202 times:

For info, US Federal Aviation Regulations FAR 121 rules mention that alcohol must be served to the passenger by the flight attendants... It is illegal to "have your own bottle" and "help yourself" from it... Most countries have similar rules. If you only drink "your favorite brand of whisky" you are supposed to give the flask to the flight attendant to serve you during flight.
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Further it is illegal for a flight attendant to permit a boarding passenger "who appears (just appears) to be intoxicated" to board the aircraft.
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Happy contrails  Smile
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User currently offlineSpike From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1170 posts, RR: 5
Reply 8, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3195 times:

I still don't see why you can't have smoking section like we used to. I'm fed up of leaning over the toilet sink.

User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13197 posts, RR: 15
Reply 9, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3190 times:

As shown in the 3/1 edition of A&E's Airline, there were people drinking alcoholic beverages at the gate for their flight. This was probably illegal. As far as I know at all US airports terminals, per state laws, the consumption of site purchased alcoholic beverages is only allowed on the licensed premises ie: the designated area such as the bar, or structure containing the licensed establishment. The operators of the bars allowed violations of the law when the opened containers left their designated licensed areas. Generally too, one may not consume alcoholic beverages from outside the terminal (no BYOB), just like on an aircraft. The law authorities could have/should have ticketed these passangers.

User currently offlineSpike From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1170 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3167 times:

I was asked by a LH FA if I was aware of the effects of alcohol during flight, naturally I said yes, and asked if I could have a cognac after the meal. Great nights sleep anyway.

User currently offlineSabena332 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 20 hours ago) and read 3140 times:

I wouldn't really care if they ban liquor on board. On short haul flights I don't drink any alcoholic drinks and on long haul flights I only drink a wine with the meal, a Baileys after the meal and a few beers while reading or watching the airshow/movie. Actually I don't give a damn about the glas of Baileys.

Patrick


User currently offlineSASlover From Denmark, joined Mar 2004, 350 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3109 times:

I know that if your drunk you can't get out and flying but if you just have one beer then i think it's ok but if your drunk there i think that isn't funny for all the other passengers i sitting and waiting it's destroying the time schedule.


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User currently offlineUshermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2969 posts, RR: 16
Reply 13, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3080 times:

Skipper, I can assure you that neither Ryanair not Iberia enforce that policy. At least not when my buddies and I were flying them.
 Wink/being sarcastic

I also know that LTU and other German carriers let people drink on their flights from Germany to PMI.
Luckily I will NEVER fly that route because the excesses there must be pretty bad at times.



Where have all the tri-jets gone...
User currently offlineCopenhagenboy From Denmark, joined Sep 2001, 599 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 3059 times:

In BKK there was a man, who was going to board the same flight to Europe as me. He was really drunk and in my mind I was thinking, my God, I don't want to have a seat close to him. He was denied boarding, taken away from the boarding area by security or something. After that my gintonic really tasted nice after takeoff.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

User currently offlineN102daman From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 155 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3005 times:

I have been to many airports such as LAS (allows smoking in airport bars and allows drinks as long as they are in a plastic cup outside of the bar) and BNA (if you want to go to the smoking area with your drink a plastic cup is provided).

The issue is not weather or not alcoholic beverages should be available after the security checkpoint or on board, the issue is individual behavior. Many people such as myself know my limits and can control our behavior. The instances that you see on Television are isolated and just one airlines policy.

Seems to me that WN has a very strict policy on drinking before boarding the aircraft. The passenger that was escorted off the aircraft in my opinion was behaving himself and not causing any problems, Southwest policy to escort a passenger off the aircraft because another passenger was uncomfortable is unfounded and I don't believe it is appropriate customer service.

I understand that people should feel comfortable on board the aircraft but to me if a passenger has been allowed to board the decision has already been made to allow the passenger to travel. As a gate agent I have had to deal with this situation on a couple of occasions. Both times before the passenger has even boarded the aircraft the crew was asked if they were comfortable transporting the passenger. Each time the passenger was denied boarding due to the Crews recommendation. His seat released and reassigned to another passenger. The passenger was advised before the boarding process started that he would be denied boarding and re-booked for a later flight and advised to not consume anymore alcoholic beverages.

On another occasion I was called to the aircraft due to a passenger complaint that another passenger appeared to be intoxicated and they felt uncomfortable. After talking to the crew (Flight Attendants, Captain and First Officer) I was advised that the passengers had been briefed and were deemed to be fit for travel. No problems at all. Passengers that had the complaint were advised about the crews decision and the aircraft got to its destination without incident.

Basically Behave yourself, don't get rowdy in the gate area, and act in a manner its acceptable in public. Take alcohol and airport bars out of airport terminals and you will have some miserable travelers. I to enjoy a drink before a long flight and some on board especially if I am on vacation. Most passengers know not to overdo it and control their behavior.

I am getting a little tired of seeing intoxicated passengers being denied boarding on the show but when they start making asses of themselves it is pretty funny.

Just my two cents worth.

"Fly Widget Fly"
"Keep Singing Song"



"Service and Hospitality from the Heart." (C. E. Woolman, Delta airlines first CEO and founder.)
User currently offlineCopenhagenboy From Denmark, joined Sep 2001, 599 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2961 times:

To make something clearer, the man in BKK could not stand on his legs, his eyes were total unclear, so maybe it was not just alcohol who made him drunk, but at combination of alcohol and drugs, I don't know, but I know it was handled in a proper way. And I would never feel uncomfortable if there was a passenger who was in a good humour because of alcohol. In the end it is up to the F/A to stop serving, before he gets "crazy"

User currently offlineDelta767300ER From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2562 posts, RR: 11
Reply 17, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 2941 times:

I'm very anti-alcohol, however I understand peoples needs for alcohol. A lot of people like to have a glass of wine on a flight and even a few drinks which I have no problem with as long as they dont get totally trashed and start stripping and dancing around the cabin........or acting intolerable.

-Delta767300ER


User currently offlineN102daman From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 155 posts, RR: 3
Reply 18, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 2904 times:

Sorry I should have made myself clearer. I am referring to the passenger who was traveling from Chicago To LAS. The one that was with the sippy cup and the girls traveling to LAS for the Bachelorette party. To me that whole situation was handled inappropriately by Southwest.

The young women were clearly joyous and having a good time as they should. They were not unruly in the gate area. They were warned about drinking too much because they did clearly have alcohol at the gate. The male passenger however did not. He had a sippy cup, contents unknown to the airline agents and seemed to be behaving himself. He was allowed to board the aircraft by the gate agents and the flight attendant. He was asked to deplane (only after After another passenger complained, Not the airline.) and did not make a large issue out of it. (please refer to my previous post).

The gate agents handled the situation badly in my opinion. Just seemed to me that they were accusing the passenger of being drunk, When there were others that were clearly drinking alcoholic beverages as well in the gate area. Just because a passenger has been drinking does not make that passenger unfit for travel. What makes a passenger unfit for travel is that particular passengers behavior. If a passenger has been drinking and behaves erratically before boarding the aircraft then that is grounds to possibly deny a passenger boarding not because he/she appears to be intoxicated but is acting in a manner that is not acceptable. I place special emphasis on APPEARS TO BE. We must think about safety at all times in the airline industry. But we also must think about the passenger (Customer) as well. We can not make assumptions. If a passenger is not able to walk or is being belligerent then by all means take appropriate action. If a passenger appears to be intoxicated but is behaving him/herself and accidentally steps on the foot of another passenger while taking his or her seat that is hardly inappropriate behavior.

Just my two cents worth (Again)

"Fly Widget Fly"
"Keep Singing Song"



"Service and Hospitality from the Heart." (C. E. Woolman, Delta airlines first CEO and founder.)
User currently offlineLTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13197 posts, RR: 15
Reply 19, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 2877 times:

To follow up on my previous post. I think the problem with the guy with the sippy cup shown on A&E's 'Airline' program Mar. 1, is that he was annoying the bachalorette party ladies, looking to pick one up (just like many young guys!) and they felt unconfortable.
What should the airlines do next with questionable pax, give quickie breath tests? There are handheld meters that some police in some countries use to do a quick check (had one in NZ on vacation 10 years ago-I passed and had only 2 beers over an hour before).
What about those cranked out on drugs? How many pax have been high on heroin, cocaine, depressents, improperly/illegaly used prescription medicines? How can one measure the degree of intoxication in those cases. Perhaps some of the drunks on "Airline" are also on drugs too.


User currently offlineCmckeithen From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 617 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2844 times:

You can board a plane, but as long as the cabin door is open, that does not mean that you will be able to fly as was the case for that Asshole who was on the WN flight on A&E's "Airline."





User currently offlineElPelon From Mexico, joined Jul 2003, 127 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2759 times:

There is no reason to prohibite alcohol in terminals or airplanes.. It just makes a journey easier.. It is relaxing, after a hard day of work (and still have to take a plane back home), to get into a bar and drink a beer while you wait for your flight to depart.. or during a long haul flight to drink a beer so you can have a good sleep.. or drink a glass of wine with dinner, so you can forget how bad is food in an airplane.. or.. there are thousands of reasons to allow passenger to drink some alcohol during a trip.. Of course, the crew has to be very carefull with this, to avoid any risk in security that this may cause..


ElPelon
User currently offlineSkip7966 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2743 times:

I went to the airport at the last minute to fly to Reno for the weekend. After passing through security I downed lots of beer and hard liquor in the bar near the gate I was told we were leaving from and showed on the screen. I sat at the bar within view of the gate and could read the screens at the gate from my seat in the bar. At precisely 20 minutes prior to departure I walked to the gate and was informed by a nice lady at the counter that my flight had been moved to a gate at the far end of another concourse that takes about 15 minutes to walk to if you aren't running. Being partially handicapped I was highly upset by this news, but I took off walking as fast as I could. Needless to say by the time I got to the new gate I was highly upset, but I was also pretty damn buzzed because it took me 5 min to clear security instead of the 2 hours they tell you to be there early. I started giving the gate agents there the riot act about not only making verbal announcements of a gate change but visual ones at the original gate. They called out a terminal manager and security (both said I was OK to fly but don't serve me on the plane), and I was given a boarding pass. I turned around and said "Give me a refund instead" and I went to my car in the airport garage, slept it off in the backseat of my car and didn't give my life savings to the casinos in Reno.

User currently offlineSkip7966 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 119 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2731 times:

One year, I was flying from RNO to SEA and a fellow passenger tried to buy a drink at the airport bar. The bartender said "We remember you from last year, looks like you've had enough buddy". This was the same guy that got up in the middle of the flight a year before and gave a BA to everyone behind the service cart, and this year he said he had bigger plans.

User currently offlineQIguy24 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 2722 times:

I think its OK to drink alcohol in the gate areas. But in reasonable portions.
Of course there are some people wo can't handle it, but I think its wrong if they destroy it for the rest of the passengers. When I am flying I always enjoy a good beer in a bar in the gate areas. There is nothing better than that. Especially after a long days work or a looooooong boring meeting.

And about bringing alcohol yourself, I think Its a bad idea to give it to the FA's. They have a lot of work to do anyway, and If they are going to come over to you with you bottle every time you needed a drink it would kill them. Thats for sure. If I was a FA I would never do that...


User currently offlineCessna172RG From United States of America, joined Aug 2000, 749 posts, RR: 0
Reply 25, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 2657 times:

I couldn't make the flight from the states to Japan without a few drinks to help me relax. I love to fly, so I don't need it for anxiety, but I would rather sleep for 8 hours than talk to the schmuck next to me who's set on going to Shinjuku and paying some prostitutes to do naughty things...no sirrie, I'll have my 6 gin and tonics and wake up when we arrive at the gate. Done it lots of times...

Ever read the book "Plane Insanity"? Lots of stuff about inflight alcohol experiences, as well as drug experiences. A real good read...



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