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User currently offlineACEregular From United Kingdom, joined Aug 2003, 676 posts, RR: 1
Posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 23 hours ago) and read 3873 times:

It is nearly 4 years since the Southwest 737 skidded through the perimeter fence at Burbank - and ended up in a petrol station forecourt. I am English but I remember waking up that morning and GMTV news had an anchorwoman who normally covers the celeb goings on in LA, live from the scene it was really gripping to see how close it had come to a catastrophe.

It was March 05 2000, anyone remember this or have relatives who may have stories about it and maybe what became of the aircraft itself.

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User currently offlineAmwest25 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 22 hours ago) and read 3775 times:

I beleive the aircraft was written off.

User currently offlineGoldenshield From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 6070 posts, RR: 14
Reply 2, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 21 hours ago) and read 3661 times:

The gas station is no longer there as well.


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User currently offlineTjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2460 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 18 hours ago) and read 3495 times:

Read all about it (again.)

http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/2002/AAB0204.htm



Direct KNOBS, maintain 2700' until established on the localizer, cleared ILS runway 26 left approach.
User currently offlineFlyingColours From United Kingdom, joined Dec 2003, 2315 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3299 times:

I still have the newspaper cut out of that one, lots of pics including a very large one that takes up about a third of a page. It was several pages long.

Quite big in the media's eyes overhere even though the accident was relitivly minor (Could have been worse if it went that extra 40 feet).

I think the paper was the Manchester Evening News, not sure.

Phil
FlyingColours



Lifes a train racing towards you, now you can either run away or grab a chair & a beer and watch it come - Phil
User currently offlineJjbiv From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1226 posts, RR: 5
Reply 5, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3186 times:

Anyone else catch this in the accident report re: the Captain?

"From 1980 to 1988, he was employed by the EG&G Corporation and flew 737s as captain and first officer."

He flew for the airline that doesn't exist  Wink/being sarcastic.

joe


User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 33
Reply 6, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3049 times:

"CVR and FDR data indicate that the airplane touched down at 1810:58 with flaps extended to 30° at about 182 knots" from the above linked NTSB report.

I remember that after the NTSB report on this accident first came out, I flew the approach at the same speeds, altitudes, and flap settings on my PC flight simulator at home. There was no way I could get the airplane stopped on the runway. Why the flight crew didn't abort the approach is a complete mystery, a total screwup.

For info sake, here's the runway layout at BUR (the landing runway was 8):
http://www.naco.faa.gov/content/naco/online/airportdiagrams/00067AD.pdf

And the ILS runway 8 approach plate is at:
http://www.myairplane.com/databases/approach/index.php Type in KBUR, then click "ILS runway 8".

Tom at MSY



"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
User currently offline7574EVER From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 478 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2918 times:

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User currently offlineFlyboy7974 From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 1540 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 2750 times:

i opened the burbank station on 4/16/90 with southwest airlines, and at the time was southwest's airlines youngest employee, herb took me to lunch. i remember working flights at gate 9, and planes from every airline would land and pull right up to the fence. this incident, was compounded by weather delays all day, and the a/c was written off. it sat on the opposite side of the field in burbank for quite some time and was parted out. since that day, burbank airport and swa have been in quite a quarrel. friends that still work there say the airline wants improvements, mainly a new terminal, but the nimbys in burbank on the council don't want a new airport. you know the saying, build it and they will come, the burbank nimbys won't build it. the funny thing is, the new terminal would still have the same number of gates as the old terminal, 14, just more updated facilities. the new terminal would have two terminals, 7 gates each, on the old lockheed building facility, and would be built in a big U shape.

User currently offlineERJ From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 245 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2638 times:

Burbank is an exciting airport to land at. I go there about once a year on HP 737 and A319's out of PHX. The pilots break hard with full reverse. Then when they turn, the fence is just outside your window. Some might find it scary, but it still beats driving to LAX.

User currently offlineNORTHSEATIGER From United Kingdom, joined Sep 2003, 432 posts, RR: 5
Reply 10, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2536 times:

Looking at the pics everyone got out ok right ?? and I feel that a PC simulation will never re-enact life totally so bagging the crew from flight sim is'nt right, only the people involved will know the situation and affecting factors.


T's And P's look good....Rotate
User currently offlineCanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2841 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2482 times:

I haven't seen the pictures before, I'm surprised no one mentioned they painted over all the WN logos. Not that any other airline probably wouldn't, but it reminds me of when Tower Air overran the runway at JFK, I think there was someone with a bucket of paint and a paintbrush headed to the plane before the crash crews.


The beatings will continue until morale improves
User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 33
Reply 12, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2457 times:

The NTSB report on the accident told me everything I needed to know:

http://www.ntsb.gov/publictn/2002/AAB0204.htm

Excerpt:
"PROBABLE CAUSE
The National Transportation Safety Board determines that the probable cause of this accident was the flight crew's excessive airspeed and flightpath angle during the approach and landing and its failure to abort the approach when stabilized approach criteria were not met. Contributing to the accident was the controller's positioning of the airplane in such a manner as to leave no safe options for the flight crew other than a go-around maneuver."

Tom at MSY



"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2404 times:

BUR is about the closest thing to an aircraft carrier that I've ever seen without having been on one. You land on 8, rollout to the end, turn right, and poof!--you're at the gate. The proximity of the gates to the runway centerline really catches your attention.

New terminals, of course, won't make the runways longer, nor make the terrain/obstacles around the airport disappear (two items that would permit longer flights out of BUR, and improve the landing minimums getting into BUR), but new terminals would make things nicer for the passengers. Don't know that we'll ever see them...


User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 33
Reply 14, posted (10 years 7 months 3 weeks 2 days 12 hours ago) and read 2341 times:

There is absolutely no room there for runway expansion. Talk about a hemmed-in airport. 17 years ago, I was on the FAR Part 150 Noise Compatability Committee (LA County Aviation rep) that originally was studying for a new terminal. My first experience with the NIMBY's. Haven't seen anything like that group of people.

For reference sake, the FAA's Advisory Circular on airport design states that no non-frangible (easily breakable) building can be located within something like 700' of a runway centerline. BUR's terminal has always been around 350' from the runway centerlines. I believe the FAA has fairly recently threatened BUR with fines and grant holdups if they didn't get everything corrected. I also believe that they recently backed off those threats.

Tom at MSY



"The criminal ineptitude makes you furious"-Bruce Springsteen, after seeing firsthand the damage from Hurricane Katrina
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