Voodoo From Niue, joined Mar 2001, 2011 posts, RR: 0 Posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1907 times:
Just wondering if there has ever been any mention of raising the cabin window height level on the Bombardier CRJ short body model to that enjoyed by the 700-900? It would seem to me that there is an ample backlog of orders to be able to fit this marketing advantage in, and that it must share some fuselage `barrels' with the larger models anyway.
CV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 1, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 1889 times:
I understand your topic very well and I aplaude it!!! The CRJ200 is incredible concerning window issues! I experience that when I flew from FAT to PHX with America West Express, I'm 6 feet tall and I had to slide down the best I could to take some decent pictures, those windows are just good for young children I bet! Also like you said about the CRJ700/900 those windows look much more decent, I also flew on a America West Express CRJ700 on the oposite way and it was a difference, also the confort and flight attitude of the CRJ700 is just fantastic! I was very impressed with the CRJ700 and in it's range I don't know if there is anything better.
CV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 4, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1793 times:
But we must admit that this issue is quite relevant, look for example the ERJ145, the plane infact is must more cramped than the CRJ200 but their windows have much better view!!!
Well like you said it's just a side issue!
QIguy24 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 5, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 1784 times:
I would also be very glad if they raised the wíndows in the CRJ200.
I have the same problem as CV990. Im a tall bastard who also enjoys looking out of the window in 33.000 feet and enjoy the heavy traffic over Germany.
And I fly the CRJ2003 times pr month from BSL-CPH-BSL.
The CRJ200 is one of my favourite aircrafts, but they have a big minus. And that is the window positions.
DAL12 From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 89 posts, RR: 0 Reply 6, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1754 times:
The window placement is not the only factor in making the CRJ-700 seem roomier than the CRJ-200. It actually IS roomier -- the cabin floor has been lowered by an inch. An update that would make sense is a CR7 shrink into a 50 seater, however the returns are just not there since the 50-seat market is very rapidly evaporating.
QIguy24 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 8, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1714 times:
Its very easy. But I often have a neckpain 2-3 days after....
Thank god I'm on Business class om every flight ´so I have 2 seats for my self. So I can se both up and down. hehe
I fly Cimber Air when I fly that route because they are the only ones flying that route directly BSL-CPH and they provide very good service.
CV990 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 9, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1663 times:
Man that's what I call a big commitment with our cause, having neckpains to see in those wierd CRJ200 windows, Canadair should pay an appointment in a quiriopatic doctor due to that!
Thanks for the information about the airline, Cimber Air is interesting, those guys are still around, that's great! I remember Cimber Air when they had those VFW614's, very strange airplane!!!!!
MD80Nut From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 876 posts, RR: 9 Reply 10, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1658 times:
The only complaint I have about Bombardier's CRJ200s is those windows are just too damn low! And it isn't just tall people, I'm just 5 ft. 6 in. (that's 1.67 or so meters) and I still have to hunch down to look out the window! Most annoying for a dedicated window seater like me. Otherwise, I like the CRJ200.
I'm glad to hear the CRJ700 & 900 have raised the windows some.
QIguy24 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 12, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 1639 times:
I have also been in Cockpit on that flight a couple of times. Its really a small cockpit. The second last flight I was on, I asked if I was allowed to sit in cockpit to try it. And the pilots accepted it right away. It was even more awesome the to get neckpains from the low windows in the cabin!!
And they gave me a headset so I could listen to what was going on. It was really awesome.
Right after we had passed FRA we had a Emirates 772 1000 feet right above us. You could hear the engine on that beautiful bird!!
JBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4472 posts, RR: 21 Reply 13, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1582 times:
So this is not just an issue for the big guys, this is for ALL guys!!!! Maybe Canadair see this topic and make some changes!
CV990. Never going to happen. As someone mentioned already, the 50-seater market is rapidly evaporating (it's saturated with CRJ100/200's and EMB's!). There's no need to spend the extra R&D...and trust me, there's a LOT more of that involved than you'd let on.
The window placement is not the only factor in making the CRJ-700 seem roomier than the CRJ-200. It actually IS roomier -- the cabin floor has been lowered by an inch.
DAL12, if you had read my post you would have seen that I already mentioned that the cabin floor was lowered
You could hear the engine on that beautiful bird!!
Oh, is that so? Over the slipstream noise at cruise no less?
QIguy24 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 18, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 1498 times:
Hmmm..... Lets see. Yes I fly business class when I fly them. And yes they have a business class. And the reason why i sit there is because I work for them my self..... Satisfied?
And I know I made a little mistake. But I found out after I had written the last message that I forgot the word Almost..........
You have probably forgotten some words in here your self once a while. Shit happens
Planemaker From Tuvalu, joined Aug 2003, 5727 posts, RR: 35 Reply 23, posted (9 years 9 months 2 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 1373 times:
BBD had plans to develop the "CRJ-500" 4 years ago - it would have been a shortened 700. The CRJ-200 in fact has virtually no rotable and system commonality with the -700/900. Pilots have to go through more differences training switching from a 700 to a 200 (and vice versa) than from the 700 to the 900. Furthermore, the -200 has had certain problems since introduction (eg. the flaps) and operational limitations (eg. the 700 has better field performance w/50 pax then the 200 and some airlines therefore schedule a 700 instead of a 200 on a certain route). BBD dropped the plan because the market was not there.
Futher notes on the size differences between the 700/900 and the 200: While the 700/900 have a slightly taller cabin due to the lowered floor, this resulted in floor level cabin width being narrower by a few inches on the 700/900 than on the 200. If you sit beside the window on the 700/900, you cannot sit with your outboard leg straight in front of you - you have to cant it more inboard than on the -200. The 700/900 cabin is 1" wider than the 200 as BBD engineers were able to shave 1/2" off the frames.
on a related note, BBD had a similar plan to turn the Q300 into the Q500 by using the Q400 wing, powerplant and systems. Again, BBD stopped development because there was no market.
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