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Who Builds The Best Commercial Planes  
User currently offlineBlackbird615 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 46 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 6 months 7 hours ago) and read 9052 times:

Starting with the 737/DC9 era who builds the best planes based on longevity, structural integrity, efficiency, flyability and longevity etc. For example, a personal belief is Lockheed's L1011 was a great airplane both from a technical standpoint and a passenger friendly aircraft yet failed to survive. I personally enjoy flying Airbus products but have some question on longevity and engineering. This is not intended to be A vs. B but a request for input on all jet products from various manufacturers including Russian AN24's and specifics on why readers would personally purchase one manufacturer over another without regard to politics or cost. Simply put, who builds the very best commercial product and why?

Apologies in advance if this is a previous subject I may have missed, your reponses and opinions will be appreciated.

Blackbird615


Never fly the "A" model of anything!
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User currently offlineGoAibusGo From Netherlands, joined Mar 2001, 275 posts, RR: 2
Reply 1, posted (10 years 6 months 7 hours ago) and read 8989 times:

The Douglas DC-3

It seems that every older airline in the (free) world had them or started operation with them. And they still fly around in operation these days.




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User currently offlinePA110 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 2000 posts, RR: 23
Reply 2, posted (10 years 6 months 7 hours ago) and read 8985 times:
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There is no doubt it must be Boeing. Look at all the 707 / 727 / 737 old series still in service after 40+ years!!!


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User currently offlineLAN767Andres From Chile, joined Mar 2004, 46 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 6 months 7 hours ago) and read 8975 times:

No doubt Boeing!

Just look at the 707..its still in service...



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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17027 posts, RR: 67
Reply 4, posted (10 years 6 months 7 hours ago) and read 8927 times:

This topic is soooo subjective. for example, how can an Airbus even be in service more than 35 years?


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User currently offlineSovietjet From Bulgaria, joined Mar 2003, 2604 posts, RR: 17
Reply 5, posted (10 years 6 months 7 hours ago) and read 8905 times:
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DC-3 also used in Russia under designation Li-2. Boeing is probably the best currently but Airbus is catching up and Douglas's DC-8 is also in service just like 707. Dont forget all those NWA DC-9s, MD-80s, and all the DC-10s and if it wasnt for Boeing, Douglas(Mcdonnel Douglas) more of their planes would be flying. But I also think Tupolev have done alot when it comes to civil aviation although many people don't recognize what the Russian manufacturers have done. Still a lot of tu-134s and -154s out there also the -144 SST, but I dont think any Tu-104, Tu-124 are still flying.

User currently offlineBlackbird615 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 46 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 6 months 6 hours ago) and read 8853 times:

To clarify the question is who builds the best commercial aircraft today and why? Certainly the question is subjective but from a purchasing standpoint regardless of politics or nationality my goal was to identify a product that excels above the competition and most importantly support your reasoning with fact. Thanks.


Never fly the "A" model of anything!
User currently offlineAreopagus From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 1369 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (10 years 6 months 5 hours ago) and read 8784 times:

I once saw Flight International claim that the VC-10 turned out after all to be no more expensive to operate than the 707 in the long run, because it was better corrosion-proofed.


User currently offlineJmc1975 From Israel, joined Sep 2000, 3267 posts, RR: 15
Reply 8, posted (10 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8677 times:

The A318/319/320/321 is superior to the B736/73G/738/739

The B752/753 is in a class of its own, therefore it is superior.

The B762/763 is superior to the A300/310

The A330 is superior to the B763/764

The B772 is superior to the A340

The B744 is in a class of its own, therefore it is superior.

The A380 will be in a class of its own, therefore it will be superior.

The B7E7 will be in a class of it's own, therefore it will be superior.



.......
User currently offlineCRFLY From Costa Rica, joined Jan 2004, 197 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (10 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8666 times:

Boeing, Boeing, Boeing...


With Age comes Wisdom...
User currently offlineFLYtoEGCC From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 947 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (10 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 8649 times:

Jmc1975
Why do you think that about the A320/737 and the A330/767?

No offence, but if you don't give reasons, the Airbus and Boeing die-hards in here are going to have a field day and it'll turn into another A v B rant.



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User currently offlineAviaar From United States of America, joined Jul 2001, 244 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 8567 times:

Define "BEST".

Every individual has their loyalties and reservations about their favorite company. Most Americans will say Boeing, Europeans Airbus. Determining which company is the best depends on how many people post.

I'm American, I'll say Boeing, not knowing/considering any specific technical differences between Boeing and other companies. It's all loyalty.



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User currently offlineOzzie From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 338 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 8512 times:

Boeing Aircraft Company Seattle, WA

A Proud Stockholder


User currently offlineSpike From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1170 posts, RR: 5
Reply 13, posted (10 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 20 hours ago) and read 8489 times:

Ozzie: I thought Boeing were from Chicago now...?

User currently offlineAIR757200 From United States of America, joined Jul 2000, 1579 posts, RR: 7
Reply 14, posted (10 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8463 times:


How about.. they both build good airplanes?


User currently offlineCancidas From Poland, joined Jul 2003, 4112 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (10 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8440 times:

this sounds like flamebait....


"...cannot the kingdom of salvation take me home."
User currently offlineLVZXV From Gabon, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 37
Reply 16, posted (10 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8432 times:

Let me be even-handed: Airbus builds comfortable (esp. the A320 family, A340), while the US builds durable (all Boeings, DC-9 family, DC-10, TriStar), and the UK built solid (BAC 1-11, VC-10, BAe 146 family). Regional aircraft are a separate category, but I am impressed by the longevity of the Fokker classics; the F27 and F28, many of the former of which are flying well past their 40th birthdays, and both of which are pretty roomy. I'm not quite convinced by the build-quality of Bombardiers, ATRs and EMBRAERS, however, in addition to looking fairly cramped.


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User currently offlineCWUPilot From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 126 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8425 times:

Yakolev. No, wait, Tupolev!
Ok, just kidding, Boeing all the way. Yes I'll make a few people angry by saying this but I cannot tell a lie. There's a feeling of safety and security you get when boarding a boeing that I never feel when I climb aboard a bus. Just my opinion.

-CWUPilot



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User currently offlineRockyRacoon From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 967 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8408 times:





DOUGLAS


User currently offlineSkymileman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8398 times:

Just to be honary, I think I'll say Martin did. I do have some reasons, though. Martin built the 202's and the 404's that did wonders for Northwest, and I like Northwest. Really, I think they're all comparable quality.

User currently offlineSHUPirate1 From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 3670 posts, RR: 17
Reply 20, posted (10 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8386 times:

Has any of us died in a Boeing or Airbus crash...thought so...I prefer to ride in an A32x over a 737-Classic, but can we really say that one is better than the other?


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User currently offlineBA747400 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 428 posts, RR: 3
Reply 21, posted (10 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8353 times:

Airbus has its ups and downs; as does Boeing....But there's just something about Boeing that is just.......Better. They have a longer history, better reliability (IMHO), that and they have the 747...Nough' said!

Both these companies make good products and offer their own unique style; so I don't think any answer is wrong to be honest.

Regards,
Mike


User currently offlineSkymileman From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (10 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8346 times:

BA747400,
I would have to agree with you about that there's just something about Boeings. I think it is the history.
-Lane


User currently offlineReguPilot From Puerto Rico, joined Jan 2004, 493 posts, RR: 24
Reply 23, posted (10 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 8334 times:

Just to comment on Pirate's post.. I know lots of people that would rather fly on and old model plane, with a history of safety, than ina newer model, because they are not sure of how safe it will be. Funny, ain't?

To my thinkings, both Airbus and Boeing! They both deliver what the customer expects! And, what if we had an all Boeing or an All Airbus world? Woudn't that be boring?

Cheers!

Ragu


User currently offline747400sp From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3598 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (10 years 5 months 4 weeks 1 day 18 hours ago) and read 8284 times:

It's either Boeing or Lockheed

25 QIguy24 : I go for Boeing as well. Even though I really like the A343 my favorite will still be Boeing 744
26 Vikkyvik : I will say Douglas because for a company that doesn't even exist anymore, there's certainly a lot of their plane's floating (or flying) around. Also,
27 CanadianNorth : well keeping with my list i would say the following for the diff categories, for various reasons. Twin Otter... Known for is superb STOL performance a
28 Cessna172RG : The A300 has been in production since when...the 70's, and they're still being built? Can Boeing do that?!?! Oh, and there is NOTHING that beats a goo
29 Areopagus : The A300 has been in production since when...the 70's, and they're still being built? Can Boeing do that?!?! No, sorry, Boeing has never built an A300
30 Post contains images QantasA332 : Who Builds The Best Commercial Planes? ...and who would like to get flamed?! What a thread... QantasA332
31 AirframeAS : I thought Boeing were from Chicago now...? Boeing was NEVER from Chicago. They are originally from BFI. They just moved their WHQ to that location bec
32 Post contains images FLYSSC : When posting a Topic like this one, how can you write : This is not to be intended A vs B. ... ... It's like posting " Which country was the leader in
33 Blackbird615 : FLYSCC, the topic was intended to discuss members thoughts on quality and engineering, why fliers prefer specific planes and who in the readers opinio
34 Post contains images Tolosy : Yakolev. No, wait, Tupolev! Ok, just kidding, Boeing all the way. Yes I'll make a few people angry by saying this but I cannot tell a lie. There's a f
35 BMAbound : To you guys that simply writes "Boeing or Airbus is best" or similar, please focus on different threads. Your input is quite useless since a technical
36 Aircadet : No one , there all tubes filled with kerosene, bloody uncomfortable, no fresh air crap food, and generally no one can wait to get off them. But as lon
37 Bmacleod : BOEING BOEING BOEING BOEING BOEING BOEING BOEING BOEING BOEING BOEING BOEING BOEING BOEING BOEING BOEING BOEING BOEING BOEING BOEING BOEING BOEING BOE
38 Ual747den : AirframeAS writes: Boeing was NEVER from Chicago. They are originally from BFI. They just moved their WHQ to that location because it they felt that i
39 Blackbird615 : Thanks BMABound. Questions wasn't designed to be competitive - simply thoughts, facts and figures on what manufacturer provides the best commercial cr
40 QantasA332 : To you guys that simply writes "Boeing or Airbus is best" or similar, please focus on different threads. Your input is quite useless since a technical
41 ToBEYwithMEA : You can't answer this question. Both make great aircraft. I have to side with QantasA332, as always he makes a good point
42 Blackbird615 : QuantasA332, as a way of explanation I live in Peachtree City GA an enclave of Delta crews and ATC personnel. Frequently around the pool various Delta
43 Aloges : The best aircraft is always the one that fits an airline's demands best, and the manufacturer is not the most important thing about an aircraft.
44 Post contains images FLYSSC : Blackbird615, Thanks to clarify your intentions when posting this Topic... but check all the posts above...and you should admit I was right in mine...
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