Richierich From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 4372 posts, RR: 6 Posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 10314 times:
I am not trying to offend anyone by asking this and hope that all people in here have the common decency to leave airliner crash sites the way they find them out of respect to those that may have died.
What I would like to know is who in here has visited an airliner crash site and what did they find (if anything)? 9/11 does not count - hundreds of thousands of people have been to that tragic crash site.
I was reading an old Airliners magazine which spoke about visiting a crash site somewhere in the Pacific Northwest. I think it was the first DC-9 crash or something, and about 20 people died. The remains of the crashed plane were still there, some 30 years on.
Are there a lot of people that do this? It is sort of interesting and also sort of sick and morbid. I don't think I would ever do it though. The closest major crash site to me would probably be the AA 300 crash in Queens in 2001. I have never had a reason to be in the Rockaways and doubt I'd go out of my way to see the crash site.
UAL Bagsmasher From United States of America, joined Sep 1999, 2150 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 10159 times:
I have been to several:
UAL 533 @ MDW (B737-222)
UAL 585 @ COS (B737-291)
Southern 242 @ New Hope GA (DC-9)
Eagle 4184 in Roselawn IN (ATR-72)
Allegheny 853 in London IN (DC-9)
Most of the sites have been rebuilt. One exception is the site in London, IN. It is still a bean farm. I was there just over a year ago. In about 2 hours of looking, I ended up finding quite a few pieces of the DC-9. I was able to identify several of them after cleaning them up.
Vikkyvik From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 10959 posts, RR: 26
Reply 5, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 10102 times:
Only been to one crash site. Visited the crash site of Indian Airlines IC605 which crashed in Feb. 1990. Only visited it though cause I was on that damn flight. As a testament to the security around the site, one of my relatives who visited the site walked away with a 6-inch piece of the plane, which my family now has. In retrospect, yes, that person should not have taken it; but there was also really no doubt as to the cause of the crash. I would never take anything from a crash site; but I guess for my family it's a reminder of that experience.
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LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13414 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 9996 times:
While I have not been on the ground of an airplane/airliner crash site, I have been close to site of 2 small airplane crash sites shortly after they crashed, and through and around Lockerbie, Scotland, a number of years (1993?) after PA 103 crashed. The small planes were 1 in Elmwood Park, NJ into an industrial building and the second was a single engine a/c that crashed at take off into the northern boundary fence of and a then existing sign at Teterboro, NJ airport, both in the last 5 years.
As to PA103, I was on vacation a number of years after that terrible tragedy and driving near to and made a deliberate decision to drive through and around Lockerbie on a quiet Sunday morning. Out of respect, I didn't stop, didn't get out of my car, but did drive slowly around and just outside of town including the area I believe was where the nose of that a/c ended up, and the section of center of the town where rebuilt buildings on the site where the center part of the fusulage landed. I recall that the place where the nose landed, there is a cemetary, with apparently mountments as to the PA 103 crash. I do not consider it morbid to see such sites, or where has been a major car crash had recently took place at, so long as show some respect.
QB737 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 9856 times:
My Dad use to take me near the TCA 831 in Ste Thérèse, as it was very close to my grand-parents house. A Trans Canada Airlines (old name of AC) DC-8 crashed there in 1963 after taking of out of YUL on it's way to YYZ. No one survived.
TriStar500 From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 4702 posts, RR: 41
Reply 10, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 9752 times:
I have been to one crash site by accident - sorry for the pun.
During one of my visits to Paris, I took the Roissybus from CDG to downtown. The usual route takes the bus straight across the highway and the Peripherique to the city center, but due to traffic congestions, the driver chose to drive across the countryside this time.
A few minutes later we passed a city sign with "La Gonesse" on it... and suddenly, while looking at the hotel building to my right, I realized that we were just passing the Concorde crash site - if you have seen those terrible and tragic pictures of the wreckage in front of the hotel, you will certainly remember for the rest of your life what this building looks like!
At this time, about two years later (summer of 2002), there was no visible evidence of that horrible tragedy left - the grass had grown back and the damages to the hotel were repaired.
Still, it gave me chill to see this site and remember the 100 or so poor souls who had perished here. I don't think that any of the other bus occupants realized what they were looking at.
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Canoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2855 posts, RR: 12
Reply 11, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 17 hours ago) and read 9692 times:
Having known more than a few people that have perished in aircraft accidents, I don't go out of my way to visit crash sites (other than the WTC site). If anyone has ever been around aircraft wreckage, it is a very depressing sight, I doubt you would go out of your way to gawk. Once when I was in college, I remember there was a RC airplane show at the airport I was a fueler, a PA180 flew in with two people, they waited around 2 hours for their friend to fly in. Later, while they were still there, the FAA called and told me what had happened, then asked me to pass this on to the people waiting for their friend, I said, "I don't make enough to tell anyone that". The guy had hit some power lines over the MO river and crashed upside down, 2 days later when they recovered the wreckage, they put it in our maint. hanger. No I won't go visit a crash site.
RareBear From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 553 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 9559 times:
As a Civil Air Patrol member for more than 20 years, I have been to a number of small aircraft crash sites. Most of these sites I first saw from the air, and then went back to look at on the ground. I wouldn't call it morbid, but I have an interest in aircraft archaeology, and it helps me learn to identify crash sites.
BMAbound From Sweden, joined Nov 2003, 660 posts, RR: 4
Reply 13, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 9526 times:
I am going to move to a crash site... In 1977, a Vickers Viscount got iced up on approach to BMA. It was impossible to keep it in the air and the pilots had to put it down in a very congested area. It happens to be within a very short distance to where I will move. I don't know if there were any survivors, but many died. Out of curiosity, I might go visit the site and see if there's anything there, such as a small monument or so.
JBirdAV8r From United States of America, joined Jun 2001, 4498 posts, RR: 21
Reply 14, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 14 hours ago) and read 9489 times:
A few major airline ones.
Back in the 60's a United Airlines Viscount crashed in my great uncle's field in east TN after catching fire midair, killing everyone aboard. Just a few years back, I discovered an old piece of engine cowl from that accident.
Also been to the crash site of USAir 1016, because that one is pretty close to me (emotionally, not physically). Though I didn't find any pieces, the area was still pretty visible a few years ago. The road is still pretty torn up where it slid across, and there's a definite clearing in the trees where the aircraft hit the home and came to rest. Right across the street at the site of the first impact stands a memorial. It's eerie to say the least.
ElectraBob From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 931 posts, RR: 3
Reply 15, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 9461 times:
Anyone who drives on Middlebelt Road under I-94 just Northeast of Detroit Metro Airport is at the site of a horrible air disaster. That is where Northwest flight 255 crashed on Aug. 16, 1987. I have drivin through that intersection many times and each time I think about that awful night.
I actually did try to see the wreckage of a crash one time. In Jan. 1983, a United DC-8 freighter crashed shortly after takeoff from DTW. I drove along Wayne Rd. on the West side of the airport, but the actual crash site was too far away...never did see it.
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DTW757 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1617 posts, RR: 4
Reply 16, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 9432 times:
I don't think it's morbid at all to want to see these sites. Same as visiting a battlefield. You can pay your respects to the victims lost.
I too was going to mention the crash site at DTW. I also think about it when I'm driving on 94 or Middlebelt. I was picking someone up 2 nights before that crash and a NW MD-80 was landing at the same time we were driving out.
I pass the site of a Burlington Air Express DC8 crash often as it's across the street from my parents farm here at TOL. I was living at home at the time of the crash and experienced it first hand. Four people lost their lives in that crash. Now the field continues to produce sweet corn and potatoes like nothing ever happened.
Jsnww81 From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 2177 posts, RR: 15
Reply 17, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 9387 times:
I've been to the United 533 (the 737 that crashed on approach to MDW in 1972) site. It struck a block of houses on 70th Place about two miles southeast of the airport.
The houses have rebuilt in their original style, and except for the smaller trees you would never know that a jetliner had crashed on the street. There's still a vacant lot on the crash site (it was there before the crash) that I think would be a fitting place for a memorial. However, there's no marker or plaque indicating that a crash took place.
Even more amazingly, many of the residents who survived the crash (two residents were killed as the plane struck their house) still live on the block - including the woman whose mother and sister were killed.
I've also been to the American 191 crash site in Elk Grove Village, just northwest of O'Hare International Airport. The DC10 crashed onto the Ravenswood Airfield (an abandoned former GA field that was closed when ORD was opened) and partially on the Oasis Mobile Home Park, again killing two people on the ground.
The airfield has long since been reclaimed by grass and shrubs, and the crash site is now very scrubby and overgrown. It's used by the Chicago Police Department for canine training. Again, as with the United 533 site, there is no memorial, although for the worst single-plane crash in US history I feel there should be one.
The amazing thing about the AA191 site is that about a quarter-mile away is an Amoco gasoline storage facility with about ten large storage tanks. If the DC10 had flown just a little bit further, it would have struck those tanks and the fire would have been much, much more fierce.
Corey07850 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2530 posts, RR: 4
Reply 18, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 13 hours ago) and read 9341 times:
I've been to the crash site of the USAir DC-9 that crashed in Charlotte during landing due to windshear. The aircraft crashed into a small forest between the airport and the airport boundary fence/access road, and I'll never forget seeing the huge void in the trees the plane caused. Others that have seen this will know exactly what I'm talking about
BHMNONREV From Australia, joined Aug 2003, 1387 posts, RR: 4
Reply 19, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 9290 times:
On July 23, 1973 an Ozark Airlines FH-227 crashed during a thunderstorm a few miles short of the runway at STL. 37 people died in the accident. The following day, my cousin and I rode our bikes to the crash site (on the UMSL campus) but were not able to get very close, the police had a wide cordon around the area. We were able to see some of the wreckage in an open field, mainly some seats and parts of the fuselage.
I think the title of this topic is right on, i.e. morbid curiosity. I think what drew me to the crash site was not expecting to see human remains scattered everywhere, but to see where a large loss of life occurred. But I was only 13 at the time, so who knows.
The most vivid memory I have of that day is the smell of aviation fuel....
Tano From Argentina, joined Nov 1999, 59 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 9279 times:
I just come from the Andes. Do you remember the "Alive!" movie?
Well, the story is real, and the place is magnificent.
A glacier at 13.500 Ft. in the middle of the mountains.
A tomb is there, where many people are buried. A cross is on it (the majority of the FH-227 passengers were members, relatives and friends of an Uruguayan Christian rugby team). There´s also part of the wing and many other pieces.
With great respect to all those involved in that story, by visiting that place you can barely imagine what these people went thru for 46 days. Be a believer in God or not, the place is sacred.
Type-rated From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 9258 times:
An interesting note about the Ozark FH-227 crash was that a dog that was being carried in a kennel survived that crash, it was thrown clear upon impact.
I have also heard that Tell City, IN has a memorial put up on the site where a NW Electra went in back in the 60's. It's just an open field with a marker with the names of the passengers. Has anyone been to it?
Coronado990 From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1620 posts, RR: 2
Reply 22, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 9257 times:
I lived one half mile from the PSA 727-200 crash site in San Diego near Nile & Dwight streets. It crashed on the street I always rode my bike on to get to high school and I was able to approach the wreckage 5 minutes after the mid-air collision. I drive by it quite a lot and thought I got use to it but recently, I was looking for houses to rent and one became available across the street from the crash site. During inspection of the house, I looked out the kitchen window and it struck me that I just could not live there.
Dutchflyer From Netherlands, joined Feb 2004, 169 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 9232 times:
It's sick visiting those places when no relatives or friends are involved. What are people hoping for. To see the remains of those who died. Just looking for sensation, sickening. I guess it's the same why people are braking with their cars at accidents causing a traffic jam.
Going to those places long after the wreckage is removed is another issue.
Ushermittwoch From Germany, joined Jan 2004, 2988 posts, RR: 15
Reply 24, posted (11 years 2 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 9224 times:
Opposed to my first statement, I have actually been to a site of a plane crash. It was a USAF plane though. It crashed into a house in Remscheid, Germany in 1988. My friend lived about five blocks down the road. You couldn't get to the soccer pitch w/o passing it.
Where have all the tri-jets gone...
: I've seen many times the sight where a UA DC-8 went down in Park Slope, Brooklyn (Sterling Place and Seventh Avenue) - after a midair with a TWA Conni
26 Tom in NO
: Been to a couple, one of them local: Pan Am 759 Boeing 727, 7/9/82, Kenner, LA (some residential site rebuilt, others still vacant) Eastern 212 DC-9,
: A visit to a crash site, like a visit to a battlefield or a cemetary, is not inherently morbid. It depends on the reason for your doing so. I have vis
: Very interesting responses... I agree with the last sentiment to treat crash sites with a sense of respect to those that died.
: Only once did I visit a crash site. It was maybe 15 years ago, as best as I can recall. A private airplane had gone off the end of a runway at BDR and
: I was driving the Trans-Canada Highway 10 years ago and by the Dryden, Ontario airport could see a clearing in the trees where a F-27 went down in 198
: I've been to two crash sites. Aloha's (AQ) #243, in which the forward section of the 737 cabin was blown out during mid-flight, while en-route from th
: I've been to two crash sites. Aloha's (AQ) #243, in which the forward section of the 737 cabin was blown out during mid-flight, while en-route from th
: "I'm a bit confused ... wouldn't the site be OGG?" Yes, OGG is Maui. That's where the flight made the emergency landing.
: My uncle was on the Fokker in the Dryden crash, however he was able to survive. I've visited the Swissair memorial twice, and it's eerie to look out i
: When I was 5 or so a Beech Bonanza crashed in the street behind my house. It was a little traumatic to say the least. I visited the site with my dad.
: I have visited two sites: a Lockheed Electra that crashed in Tell City, Indiana and an Allegheny DC-9 that crashed in Shelbyville, Indiana. The Electr
: The website didn't come through on the last message. Here it is: www.lostbirds.org
: I also was at the WTC, a month after 9/11. 11:30pm at night..very creepy, and it was still on fire and very eerie. I would like to the see the UA93 si
: I am also in the Civil Air Patrol. A few months ago, I was asked to participate in a search of the T-34 that went down north of Houston.
: I too have been to the crash site of NW 255. It still looks the same as when the crash occured. I know a guy who at the time was a Dearborn police off