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MEA CEO Hints GRU, SYD And More  
User currently offlineOD720 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2003, 1924 posts, RR: 33
Posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 11 hours ago) and read 2914 times:

In his press conference today, El-Houte said that MEA will commence flights to Brazil if the Lebanese government insists.
Worthmentioning is that he did say the flight will be launched for reasons of national interests and not profitability. He did make it clear that the Lebanese government should be responsible for the loss that the airline may make on this route.

Besides Brazil, he did mention that they might restart services to Australia and to some African destinations. Again, he made clear that they will act as they are told, expecting financial support from the government.

Interestting in the press conference is that he mentioned about destinations that MEA will not face any potential political bans, such as Canada. So this means that BEY-YUL is still not in anyone's plans.

Best regards.

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User currently offlineMEA321 From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 389 posts, RR: 16
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2842 times:

We can expect not to see any drastic changes in route/fleet structure at MEA at least until 2005. It looks as if the summer season plans have been finalized for the most part.

CPH, DUS, and the additional frequencies are about all we will see.

GRU might happen at the expense of the Lebanese government and several investors. It is quite unfortunate that foreign governments and politics affect the operations of airlines such as MEA, but that is the world we live in.

YUL and DTW are two routes that MEA could definitely do tremendously well on.

It is my belief that MEA has a superior product to that of RJ, so theres the competitive advantage. On the other hand, a large number of those pax which make up RJ's North American traffic are Lebanese, or travelling to Lebanon. MEA would attract these travellers because its their national airline, and its more convenient.

Hopefully under the next administration there might be more friendly relations with Lebanon. That way one day we might actually see the Cedar tail at DTW and YUL!



MEA321
User currently offlineMEA330 From Lebanon, joined Aug 2002, 276 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 7 hours ago) and read 2802 times:

Lebanese Transport minister Mr Mikati just said on LBCI that Mr ElHout is presenting his report on the GRU route to the Lebanese cabinet: It will lose 6.3 Million$/year. If the government insists they will need to pay for the loss.
The minister declared that he is against the plan to ask MEA to restart operations to Brazil and African destinations at the expense of the Lebanese Treasury, and that routes should be opened only if economically viable.
On another note Mr ElHout is traveling tomorrow with Speaker Mr Berri on an African tour so expect other requests to operate to African stations.


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11151 posts, RR: 59
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2774 times:

Stupid politics.............


"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4504 posts, RR: 54
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 6 hours ago) and read 2781 times:

OD720, welcome back to the forums! shtah nalak.

Good news for MEA. Is there really a market for Sydney though? It would have to via somewhere (obviously) unless MEA orders A345 (probably not likely).

When they were operating that route with the 742, it went via...KUL I think.

Lets hope that at least GRU will start this summer. Any word on fleet news?



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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11151 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2765 times:

Where is MEA going to get all these planes from needed for these routes?

I can't believe this..........stupid politics......



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11151 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2760 times:

OD720,

I'm not exactly sure what you are saying. Are you saying that there is no ban on MEA to fly to Canada? Because in the December/January CedarWings issue, it stated that MEA cannot fly to Canada for the same reason why Air Canada wasn't able to fly to Beirut....

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineJupiter2 From Australia, joined Jan 2001, 882 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2742 times:

There is a large Lebanese population in Australia, in particular in Sydney. The main reason MH flies there is to cater for the Australia / Lebanon market. Of course the problem is that it is mainly low yield travel, but with the improving econmy in Lebanon the business market will grow. I can vividly remember the pandemonium at the terminal whenever the MEA flight would leave, 400 passengers and at least 2000 people seeing them off !!
RL


User currently offlineMEA321 From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 389 posts, RR: 16
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2740 times:

I believe what OD720 was saying was that MEA will not approach any countries if there is a potential for rejection because of a political ban or issue.

By the way, I have your update BA.

AC did indeed propose the route to BEY in early February. It is still in the approval process, no word has been given yet as to what will happen. I asked about the sunday deadline that you referred to, and there is no such deadline in place.




MEA321
User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11151 posts, RR: 59
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 5 hours ago) and read 2723 times:

MEA321,

I have been told Sunday is when they finalize the summer schedule. If they announce the route after, it would start later than they want.

We'll see what happens....

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineYegbey01 From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1721 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2669 times:

It would be a huge mistake if politicians are allowed to interfere in the operations of MEA.

AC will not fly to BEY. Even if they had the clearence, they just don't have the planes right now.


User currently offlineKEno From Malaysia, joined Feb 2004, 1842 posts, RR: 28
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 2662 times:

Does ME has the equipment to operate BEY-GRU nonstop?

User currently offlineToBEYwithMEA From Lebanon, joined Feb 2004, 304 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2623 times:

KEno,
MEA does have 3 A330-200's. They can make to route to YUL veery easily.
But the A330's are not in long range interior configuration seating 250 passengers. If they fly GRU then the need to get another A330 but people are saying that the new A330 will have 210 seats like's Air France.



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User currently offlineMEA310 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2002, 660 posts, RR: 12
Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 2545 times:

How could the government make up the possible loss if MEA serves GRU based on their command??The government is in a $30billion debt!!!I don't mind Varig flying to BEY if the route is too risky for MEA.
I think SYD & other X served long range routes are out of the question at the time being;as it is very well served by EK,GF....

MEA310



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User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4952 posts, RR: 51
Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 11 hours ago) and read 2503 times:

"AC will not fly to BEY. Even if they had the clearence, they just don't have the planes right now"

-yes they do.. if AC gets clearance, they will likely divert a 767 from the double daily YUL-LHR.

Trust me when I say that BEY would be served within a heartbeat if clearance was allowed.

Mark


User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11151 posts, RR: 59
Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2460 times:

I doubt they will be given clearance.............


"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4952 posts, RR: 51
Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2457 times:

Ok.. whats the latest BA?

Im a little behind.



User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11151 posts, RR: 59
Reply 17, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days 5 hours ago) and read 2450 times:

I don't know anything FLYYUL....you are asking the wrong person. I have absolutely no connections with Air Canada......

But my own opinion is I doubt it's going to happen.............very very highly doubt it...........

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineOD720 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2003, 1924 posts, RR: 33
Reply 18, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2411 times:

BA is right, as much as we like to see a direct service between BEY and North America but it's not going to happen. At least that's what the situation seems to be at the moment.
This is what I meant in the first place when referring to the CEO's press conference. He said if the government tells us to fly to Australia, we will. And he was giving examples which did not include Canada.

MEA310,

Maybe after much study, MEA thinks that the GRU service will be risky for the airline so he puts some responsibility on the government. As if he is being cautious a little.
To be honest, it is a little risky since it involves taking up additional planes and committing staff. Yet again, a direct service between the Middle East and South America has a lot of potential and could prove all doubters wrong.



User currently offlineToBEYwithMEA From Lebanon, joined Feb 2004, 304 posts, RR: 2
Reply 19, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 3 days ago) and read 2405 times:

The question is not If they can make money off BEY-GRU.
The question is how they can't make money!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
It will be the only direct link beteew the middle east and south america! It could lead MEA to become the major player to Emirates and if the Lebanese Government is not talking bull then they will pay off any debts. (If their are any). "This could lead MEA into the world-class airline club"

toBEYwithMEA





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User currently offlineAirmale From Botswana, joined Sep 2004, 375 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2391 times:

What are MEA's ex-routes, Karachi(served during the 70's), Bahrain, Kuala Lumpur, Singapore, Colombo, Sydney and Sao Paulo I know of, others?


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User currently offlineToBEYwithMEA From Lebanon, joined Feb 2004, 304 posts, RR: 2
Reply 21, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 19 hours ago) and read 2378 times:

Airmale
New York JFK MEA used BA's treminal



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User currently offlineKEno From Malaysia, joined Feb 2004, 1842 posts, RR: 28
Reply 22, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 2326 times:

Slightly off-topic...
I don't really know much about MEA before I joined A.net and thanks to a number of patriotic Lebanese here promoting their airlines to the world, I now at least know quite a bit about the airline.

I'm just curious about what happened to the operation of MEA during the war with Israel. From MEA website it says that BEY was regularly closed between 1973 & 1990 - was MEA still operated out of BEY during that period or was it moved to another location? Also, does anyone has a pre-war routemap of the airline by any chance? Cheers.

Keno


User currently offlineOD720 From Lebanon, joined Feb 2003, 1924 posts, RR: 33
Reply 23, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2290 times:

Hi Keno,

You can find all the info on this website:

http://wassch71.tripod.com/cedarjet1.html

If you have any further questions, I'm sure someone in here will be able to answer you.

Best regards.


User currently offlineToBEYwithMEA From Lebanon, joined Feb 2004, 304 posts, RR: 2
Reply 24, posted (10 years 1 month 2 weeks 2 days 10 hours ago) and read 2280 times:

OD720 is right, KEno. that website is our refrence website what ever you need to know you will find it there.
To sum up your question
MEA would fly out of Orly or ground its fleet in Cyprus



MEA FLYING HIGH AND RETURING TO IT FORMER GLORY!
25 BA : When was SYD brought up??? I'd like to see this route return, but it won't make money........... Yields are too low. Regards
26 MEA321 : I believe the next market for MEA should be MAN. There are lots of Lebanese living up there. Plus the tourism market is very active. Lots of British w
27 BA : MAN could be successful summer seasonally........... Regards
28 Airxliban : CY operates MAN, not sure if it is seasonal or not, but I have also noticed just like MEA321 that the Brits are interesting in traveling and seeing pl
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