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Will AC Resume YUL-ATL  
User currently offlineIflyatldl From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1936 posts, RR: 3
Posted (10 years 10 months 10 hours ago) and read 2488 times:

Just wondering if anyone knows if AC plans to resume the YUL-ATL route even if it's downgraded to a regional ? I really wish they would! Big grin


Ah, Summer, Fenway Park, Boston Red Sox and Beer.....
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User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 5010 posts, RR: 51
Reply 1, posted (10 years 10 months 9 hours ago) and read 2408 times:

The answer is eventually.

Currently AC has a severe lack of RJ equipment, and YUL-ATL the last time around didnt do so well. The main reason was that as soon as AC announced th new flights, DL was quick to add 3 RJ flights of their own.

Mark



User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 11
Reply 2, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 2351 times:

AC could easily re-allocate CRJ's if the route had any promise or potential. Been there, done that, and loads were poor, falling way below marketing projections. DL's augmentation of flights was planned in the original marketing equation.


Above and Beyond
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16371 posts, RR: 56
Reply 3, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2328 times:

AC could easily re-allocate CRJ's if the route had any promise or potential.

I agree. AC & Jazz have 35 CRJ's.....if the YUL-ATL route showed promise, it could easily be restarted.

Mark, what do you mean by the following statement: currently AC has a severe lack of RJ equipment?? What do you mean by "severe lack"? Sounds like a subjective or motherhood statement.



Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineFLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 11
Reply 4, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 2300 times:

Neil:

You're right. With 35 CRJ's (mainline or connector), if there was revenue potential on the route, it would be reactivated so fast your head would spin. Couple of routes that I can think of, where the aircraft are just floating around, till the next best thing comes along.

Speaking of the CRJ, apparently AC and Jazz have come to a tentative agreement regarding flying/fleet allocation. Details are being withheld until ratification on March 19th. Have to do some digging. This should be good.



Above and Beyond
User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 5010 posts, RR: 51
Reply 5, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 19 hours ago) and read 2266 times:

Dont even get me started on poor CRJ routes.

YYZ-STL/YYZ-MCI/YYZ-BNA/YYZ-CLT are just as bad if not worse than YUL-ATL. The problem is that there are based on YYZ, which these days, seem less likely to take a cut.

YUL-ATL was to be introduced in nov 2002. At that time, DL was the sole operator on the route with 2 DL MD88's a day. 1 week after AC's announcement, DL introduced 3 daily ASA flights on the route.

On the grand scheme of things, ATL is one of YUL's largest O&D pairings, with over 100,000 pax per year. Only NYC/Washington/LAX/FLL/ORD fall before this destination ... more people travel by plane to ATL than BOS/SFO/DFW/DTW etc.

Mark


User currently offlineIflyatldl From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1936 posts, RR: 3
Reply 6, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2212 times:

Thank you to the Canadian Anet. Members for the input. I wish AC would re-instate the ATL-YUL nonstops. ATL has many former Montrealers- no doubt.  Big grin Well, connecting through YYZ isn't bad though.  Smile


Ah, Summer, Fenway Park, Boston Red Sox and Beer.....
User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16371 posts, RR: 56
Reply 7, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2198 times:

YYZ-STL/YYZ-MCI/YYZ-BNA/YYZ-CLT are just as bad if not worse than YUL-ATL.

Define "just as bad". If the yields are high despite lower load factors, these routes might be profitable. I've flown YYZ-BNA/STL a few times in the last few years and they are full of suits, which suggests high yield.

ATL has many former Montrealers- no doubt.

Every Cdn city of full of ex-Montrealers also! Blame the PQ.....




Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 5010 posts, RR: 51
Reply 8, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2186 times:

If they are so profitable,

Why are they now Jazz CRJ's, and were suspended for the entire summer 2003.

whatever.... same deal with YYZ-GSO/CHS/GSP/JAX/ORF/PIT/DFW/IAH/MSP all of which are marginal at best.

Mark


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16371 posts, RR: 56
Reply 9, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 2175 times:

It's a question of relative or seasonal profitability Mark. Sounds like YYZ-MCI/STL etc are profitable off summer, while YUL-ATL is simply never profitable.

As Rod said, AC factored in the competitive DL ATL-YUL service, but the route performed dismally.

Well, connecting through YYZ isn't bad though.

Exactly. There are 13 daily ATL-YYZ (7 DL, 6 AC) and over 20 daily YYZ-YUL (AC, SG, soon WJ). From many US/Cdn cities, the best way to YUL is thru YYZ. YYZ-YUL is YUL's biggest route.







Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineFLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 5010 posts, RR: 51
Reply 10, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2138 times:

Bah... Ill bet you that the route will be back sooner than later  Big grin

Mark


User currently offlineIflyatldl From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1936 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (10 years 9 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 2127 times:

I sure hope so. Sure makes life easier!  Big grin


Ah, Summer, Fenway Park, Boston Red Sox and Beer.....
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