LongHauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 5863 posts, RR: 43
Reply 3, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2862 times:
We used to do powerbacks with the 737-200 with Canadi>n at some American airports if we were flying a 'gravel equipped' aircraft. As the nose gear was different to accommodate the "ski", often the tow bar we encountered didn't work, so had to power back.
Just because I stopped arguing, doesn't mean I think you are right. It just means I gave up!
Worldperks From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 8 hours ago) and read 2834 times:
Okay, I understand now.
I saw a Calgary-bound Air Canada 732 power back at IAH's D concourse last year. I thought it a bit eccentric since it's not generally done at IAH. But if no towbar would fit the plane, there was no way of pushing it back from the jetway.
Luv767s From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2759 times:
I've seen it done with NW DC9s in DTW, MSP, and ATL, but I can't remember if they do it at MEM or not. I somehow think there isn't enough room. I've also seen AA MD80s do it at IAD. I also remember CO doing it with MD80s in IAH about 10 or so years ago.
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N323er From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2536 times:
I know in ATL i think they are only two gates that do a pushback the rest are powerbacks. Also FL in TPA does powerbacks. Here in BWI I wish we could do powerbacks easy on the ramp but does use a fair amount of fuel.
Ckfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5778 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2459 times:
As many times as I have been at ATL, I don't recall seeing DL planes powerback from T or the west side of A.
UA never powered back from the D gates with 727s. I don't recall ever seeing a UA parked at T.
AA used to powerback from gates T10, T11, and T12. There was no powerbacks from T9 due to the baggage tugs entering and leaving the terminal close by. AA only powered back with MD-80s, 727s, and F100s. A friend who flies for AA told me that they tested the 757s for powerbacks when the first few were delivered. Since it kicked up so much more debris than the rear-engine aircraft, it was decided to push back the 757s.
I say used to for AA, because I was at ATL last October. My flight, a F100, departed out of T10, and the plane was pushed back. I don't know if this was by request from airport management, or a company decision. But I noticed flying down to ATL and returning to ORD that the pilots never used the reversers upon landing.
Since AA is retiring the F100 fleet, maybe they are trying to limit the wear and tear on the RR Tays.
Ssides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 19
Reply 14, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2386 times:
I have never had anyone give me a straight answer about the pros and cons of powerbacks. Is it more efficient? With fuel prices so high, I find it surprising that so many airlines are doing them. Isn't there greater wear and tear on the engine as well?
If powerbacks are more efficient, I am surprised that many LCCs (WN, for example) don't use the procedure very much.
BR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2355 times:
AirTran still prefers powerbacks on their 717 fleet, unless conditions prevent it.
AirTran never preferred powerbacks, but due to the lack of tugs in ATL, they had to do powerbacks. Now that they brought in the Stewart&Stevenson Tugs, they do pushbacks from their gates. Too bad, I will miss those powerbacks.
Srbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (11 years 11 months 1 week 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2279 times:
Powerbacks @ ATL are becoming increasingly rare. With AirTran doing them only when necessary, and even NW doesn't do them as much either. I haven't seen AA do one in a few years (I've seen them do them with the MD-80s and the 727). I was sort of surprised the first time I saw a 727 do a powerback, at them time I was not fully aware that just about any jet can be power backed.