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User currently offlineWilco From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 355 posts, RR: 1
Posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 2901 times:

Any airports still permitting powerbacks? I know DFW does, anywhere else? AND, is this only permitted for aircraft with engines mounted high up (i.e. DC9, MD80, etc.)?


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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2800 times:

I know that NW DC-9's do it at DTW, but I have only seen it on the east side of the A concourse.

User currently offlineTOLtommy From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 3290 posts, RR: 4
Reply 2, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 2753 times:

AirTran still prefers powerbacks on their 717 fleet, unless conditions prevent it.

User currently offlineLongHauler From Canada, joined Mar 2004, 4969 posts, RR: 42
Reply 3, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2707 times:

We used to do powerbacks with the 737-200 with Canadi>n at some American airports if we were flying a 'gravel equipped' aircraft. As the nose gear was different to accommodate the "ski", often the tow bar we encountered didn't work, so had to power back.


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User currently offlineWorldperks From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 2679 times:

Okay, I understand now.

I saw a Calgary-bound Air Canada 732 power back at IAH's D concourse last year. I thought it a bit eccentric since it's not generally done at IAH. But if no towbar would fit the plane, there was no way of pushing it back from the jetway.

No doubt this was a former Canadi>n jet.



User currently offlineLuv767s From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 271 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2604 times:

I've seen it done with NW DC9s in DTW, MSP, and ATL, but I can't remember if they do it at MEM or not. I somehow think there isn't enough room. I've also seen AA MD80s do it at IAD. I also remember CO doing it with MD80s in IAH about 10 or so years ago.


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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 2594 times:

AZ ATR's at MXP do powerbacks - don't know if they're permitted or not, but they do.

User currently offlineSWABNA From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 22 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2506 times:

When I flew MEM-BNA last year on a NW DC-9 we did powerback from the gate. I also remember seeing AA MD-80's doing powerbacks in AUS when I worked there 2 years ago.

User currently offlineNW747-400 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 502 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 2470 times:

AA MD80's powerback at IAD

User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3413 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2425 times:

AA powerbacked (M80) from the gate at MCI a few years ago when I was enroute through ORD.

User currently offlineCRJDispatchKid From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 99 posts, RR: 3
Reply 10, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2381 times:

Powerbacks are authorized in Memphis, in the DC-9


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User currently offlineN323er From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2381 times:

I know in ATL i think they are only two gates that do a pushback the rest are powerbacks. Also FL in TPA does powerbacks. Here in BWI I wish we could do powerbacks easy on the ramp but does use a fair amount of fuel.


RYAN AIRTRAN(BWIOPS)



RYAN SCAIFE
User currently offlineRumorboy From United States of America, joined Aug 2002, 356 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2343 times:

Airtran does mostly pushbacks in ATL now. They bought a bunch of tugs for ATL. Pushbacks now are the norm and powerbacks are used if necessary.

User currently offlineCkfred From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 5234 posts, RR: 1
Reply 13, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 2304 times:

As many times as I have been at ATL, I don't recall seeing DL planes powerback from T or the west side of A.

UA never powered back from the D gates with 727s. I don't recall ever seeing a UA parked at T.

AA used to powerback from gates T10, T11, and T12. There was no powerbacks from T9 due to the baggage tugs entering and leaving the terminal close by. AA only powered back with MD-80s, 727s, and F100s. A friend who flies for AA told me that they tested the 757s for powerbacks when the first few were delivered. Since it kicked up so much more debris than the rear-engine aircraft, it was decided to push back the 757s.

I say used to for AA, because I was at ATL last October. My flight, a F100, departed out of T10, and the plane was pushed back. I don't know if this was by request from airport management, or a company decision. But I noticed flying down to ATL and returning to ORD that the pilots never used the reversers upon landing.

Since AA is retiring the F100 fleet, maybe they are trying to limit the wear and tear on the RR Tays.


User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 14, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2231 times:

I have never had anyone give me a straight answer about the pros and cons of powerbacks. Is it more efficient? With fuel prices so high, I find it surprising that so many airlines are doing them. Isn't there greater wear and tear on the engine as well?

If powerbacks are more efficient, I am surprised that many LCCs (WN, for example) don't use the procedure very much.



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User currently offlineWilco From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 355 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2213 times:

Ssides...about the LCCS... a lot of airports flat-out bar the practice of powerback. No doubt a liability issue related to the pilot's restricted view when reversing out of the gate.


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User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 2200 times:

AirTran still prefers powerbacks on their 717 fleet, unless conditions prevent it.

AirTran never preferred powerbacks, but due to the lack of tugs in ATL, they had to do powerbacks. Now that they brought in the Stewart&Stevenson Tugs, they do pushbacks from their gates.  Sad Too bad, I will miss those powerbacks.


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2124 times:

Powerbacks @ ATL are becoming increasingly rare. With AirTran doing them only when necessary, and even NW doesn't do them as much either. I haven't seen AA do one in a few years (I've seen them do them with the MD-80s and the 727). I was sort of surprised the first time I saw a 727 do a powerback, at them time I was not fully aware that just about any jet can be power backed.

User currently offlineBoeing757/767 From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 2282 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 21 hours ago) and read 2111 times:

I was in a DC-9 that powered back at MSP


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User currently offlineGraham697 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 350 posts, RR: 0
Reply 19, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2075 times:

FL does pushbacks at TPA, I remember commenting on the pretty new tugs with AirTran on them. They looked really nice compared to an old TWA tug beside it.


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User currently offlineN323er From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 138 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 2037 times:

TPA been through three times with company everytime was a powerback

RYAN AIRTRAN(BWIOPS)



RYAN SCAIFE
User currently offlineGraham697 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 350 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1974 times:

Living in the Bay, everytime I fly or am down at the airport I see them push back. Now if it was used in the past that is beyond me, but I know they push now.


Looking forward to the new AA
User currently offlineBigphilnyc From United States of America, joined Jan 2002, 4077 posts, RR: 54
Reply 22, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1973 times:

An American MD-80 powerbacked at LGA last September.

*cough* I have video of it.



Phil Derner Jr.
User currently offlineTLHFLA From United States of America, joined May 2003, 593 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1958 times:

I recently flew on a NW DC9-10 from MEM to STL and we powered back at MEM...it was very noisy, but very cool!


Bill in ATL
User currently offlineCmckeithen From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 617 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 18 hours ago) and read 1944 times:

What is a Powerback?

25 Hirisk : CO did for a while at CVG.i saw a 737 do it there. cmckeithen, a powerback is an aircraft using it's own engines to back off a gate instead of using a
26 Cmckeithen : Would that be dangerous? And how does a pilot perform a powerback.
27 Post contains images Speedbirdheavy : I saw a CO 737-200 do a powerback at MKE abut 12 years ago. Which brings me to this question. Are there any aircraft that don't have the "bucket" reve
28 Post contains images N243NW : Would that be dangerous? And how does a pilot perform a powerback. Indeed, the danger of jet blast and FOD (Foreign Object Debris) on the ramp strewn
29 Post contains links and images Flymia : Powerbacks are done at BOS. I did it on a MD-80 to MIA a few years ago. View Large View MediumPhoto © Thornton Shepherd View Large View MediumPho
30 BR715-A1-30 : I remember powerbacking a few times in ATL. CMCKeithen, here is how it happens. 1. Once the flight is closed, The rampers stand in front of the flight
31 Midway2airtran : AirTran has nearly ended all powerbacks due to the excessive amount of fuel that is burnt, which was very significant. I only know this because I've t
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