FLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4930 posts, RR: 53 Posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 18254 times:
Here's an idea.
Use this thread to post any changes to the current Air Canada sked (upguages/downguages/change of sked/new freq's/new routes etc.)
Here is the latest, and what is different from summer 2003 to summer 2004
YVR:
YVR-EWR (new route)
YVR-IAD/OS / KBOS), USA - Massachusetts">BOS (resumption of service, YVR-OS / KBOS), USA - Massachusetts">BOS daily up from 3 weekly)
YVR-KIX (2 daily up from 1, 763 service)
YVR-NGO (5 weekly resumption)
YVR-YUL 5 daily (up from 4)
YVR-TPE NOT going ahead
YVR-ICN upgauge to A343 from B763
YVR-HKG 2 daily one-way
YVR-HNL 3 weekly 762
YVR-SYD daily 763 via HNL, with no traffic allowed in HNL
YVR-LHR 3 daily (1 flight change from 763 to 333)
YUL:
YULYYT back 07Apr A319
YULYDF daily BAE146
YULYEG back 01May A320... 2 daily in the summer (subject to confirmation)
YULFRA (2 daily up from 1, 763 service)
YULLHR (2 daily up from 1, 763 in full J/Y configs)
YULLAX (2 daily up from 1, 319 service)
YULLAS 2 weekly A320
YULYVR 5 daily up from 4
YULYYC 4 daily up from 3
YULMUC daily (in co-op with LH)
YULVIE 4 weekly up from 3 (in co-op with OS)
YULEWR down to 4 daily from 5
YULIAD down to 3 daily from 4
YULFDF not going ahead
YULATL suspended
YULBEY awaiting govt approval
YYZ:
YYZNRT resumption 01Apr
YYZYLW weekend service only (down from daily)
YYZSCLEZE 3 weekly 763
YYZDEL daily A343
YYZMSP down to 2 daily from 3
YYZLHR down to 5 daily from 6 (3 A333/2 763)
YYZFRA upgauged to 2 daily 74E (from 74E/333 service)
YYZCDG upgauge to A333 (same as summer 2003)
YYZZRH/AMS SuperComfort class
YYZSJO daily from 3 weekly
YYZMEX 2 daily A319 from 1 daily 767
YYZHAV daily from 3 weekly
YYZKIN suspended in favor of JM code-share
YYZMAN suspending in favor of BMI code-share
YYZMBJ downgauged to A319
YYZMAD suspended
YYZCPH suspended
YYZFCO suspended
YYZSAN suspended
YYZGRR suspended
YYZDFW/IAH 3 daily from 2/downguaged to JAZZ CRJ
YYZTLV daily from 4 weekly.. departure changed from 2355 to 1720
Feel free to add to this list .. lets consolidate all our findings into this thread.
BA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11135 posts, RR: 61 Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 17715 times:
Are you sure BEY is still awaiting government approval? When are they going to give up? It's not going to happen.............
"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
ToBEYwithMEA From Lebanon, joined Feb 2004, 304 posts, RR: 2 Reply 2, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 17638 times:
BEY is sadly not going to happen.
I was going to go to the airport and put up a huge banner
"WELCOME AIR CANADA" IT was going to be kind of like Pan Am when they came to BEY
FLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12 Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 3 days 1 hour ago) and read 17197 times:
A few adjustments to the original posting:
YVR-KIX - Apparently one "liberated" A340 from the on again off again TPE route. Marketing claims that the 2 763's will be changed to 1 daily 343.
YYZ-KIN - In addition to JM daily codeshare service, there will be 2 supplemental AC A319's operating for a total of 9 weekly. Believe the flights are on Tu/Sa.
YYZ-MBJ - RESIII showing daily A319, but will be upgauged to daily A320.
YYZ-TLV - Current schedule for some time now is 5 weekly, not 4, increasing to daily. The current CDA-ISRAEL bilateral has a capacity (total seats) restriction per week. Believe AC is going to ask for an amendment/increase on this route. With the arrival of the A345's, and the pilots not having yet agreed to "ultra-long haul flying" (more than 19 hour duty days), a combination of the A343's and the A345's may be used on current long haul, heavy traffic routes such as YYZ-TLV & YVR-PVG.
Don't believe the Israeli government will allow for capacity increases due to protecionist policies over LY. Currently they are still embroiled in a bitter dispute with LH over capacity on TLV-FRA.
FLYACYYZ From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 1914 posts, RR: 12 Reply 9, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 17024 times:
FLL -
Strong possibility of year-round service to FLL given the heavy concentration of Eastern Canadians who commute to North Miami/Hollywood/Hallandale/FLL/PBI.
Marketing has been asked for one daily YUL-FLL & YYZ-FLL (rerouting one of the current MIA flights) on a year round basis. Currently being reviewed.
GCM -
Currently being reduced from 3/4 weekly to 1/2 weekly for the summer schedule. Aircraft being reallocated to HAV for daily summer flights, which have been experiencing load factors in the mid 90's.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 31117 posts, RR: 74 Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 16814 times:
YVR-LIM? Are you kidding me?
If true, they are probably looking at connecting Asian traffic. There is a decent amount of Peru-Asia traffic. Peru is probably the second largest market between South American and Asia, after Brazil.
Cayman From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 905 posts, RR: 9 Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 16697 times:
Rod,
Regarding GCM--I was a little unclear whether you are saying it is reduced to 1x or 2x weekly. AC have typically gone to 2x week in summer when demand falls off and then resume the extra flights in season.
Do you know if/when they are going back to wed/sun YYZ GCM? Thx.
Aviationman From Canada, joined Dec 1999, 634 posts, RR: 0 Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 16652 times:
What's the load factor on YYZ-GCM in high and low seasons? A friend of mine travels to GCM several times per year and the flights are never full. She is traveling on Z fares and never had problems to get on. Never more than 50 to 60 pax.....Including non-revs. Could it be another "prestige" route for AC?
Yyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 15989 posts, RR: 59 Reply 21, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 16572 times:
Mark, I doubt Ladeco flew YMX-LIM-SCL. The flight was operating YMX-SCL....No LIM in the picture.
Ladeco flew the 752 to YMX so it must have stopped somewhere en route for refueling. If memory serves, it was a YMX-JFK-MIA-SCL routing. I recall Ladeco fifth freedoms to JFK.
Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
Summa767 From United Kingdom, joined Mar 2004, 2387 posts, RR: 7 Reply 22, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 16529 times:
It is true that Air Canada has applied for the Toronto-Bogota route 3 times a week. It would then continue to Lima.
There is no bilateral agreement between Colombia and Canada as yet, but that is expected to be cleared soon. Colombian national carriers have a right to express their views on the application. Even so, there is no reason why AC should not be able to start this route by the winter timetable as they have requested.
Bear in mind that there is a sizeable Colombian population around Toronto, and ever more Canadian business (and tourist) interests in both countries. Also, given the US requirements for visas and the difficulty in trying to obtain them, a direct flight would make life much easier for Colombians going to study or visit relatives in Canada. The choice is limited if one wants to do this route avoiding the US. Either through Mexico, or a through Cuba. The latter requires overnight stay in HAV!
FLYYUL From Italy, joined Jun 2000, 4930 posts, RR: 53 Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 20 hours ago) and read 16504 times:
YYZ-ATL is another of those routes with consistent trouble to fill planes, this is why the BAE is on this route currently.
Im sure this will be an EMB route in the future.
25 Cayman: Aviationman-- I don't have actual stats--but I live in GCM and travel to YYZ every month or so--the load factors seem very good for AC--I have never b
26 Qb001: Ladeco flew the 752 to YMX so it must have stopped somewhere en route for refueling. If memory serves, it was a YMX-JFK-MIA-SCL routing. That's what I
27 FLYACYYZ: Regarding all of the South America Questions: The U.S visa regulations are an untapped gold mine for Air Canada or any other carrier desiring or equip
28 FLYYUL: Rod, I agree with you. But the first principle of any profitable scheduling of flights, is local origin and destination demand. That is the most impor
29 FLYACYYZ: Mark - Absolutely right, but regarding O & D traffic and the 4 vs 2 segment "rule" -- AC Marketing seems to believe that South America suddenly is an
30 FLYYUL: Well is this the same marketing that drove AC into bankruptcy.. some food for thought AC needs to understand that if the TWOV (US Visa rule) embargo i
31 YVR1968: According to the visible minority population figures from 2001 census. Latin American population: Vancouver: 18,715 Montreal: 53,155 2.8 x YVR Toronto
32 FLYYUL: YVR1968. Recent immigration from Latin/South America for Canadian cities in 2002: 1,000 for YVR 4,800 for YUL 8,200 for YYZ http://www.cic.gc.ca/engli
33 YVR1968: Even with the 2002 figures YUL only 2.92 x YVR (YUL in 2002 was actually only +4,934) YYZ only 4.27 x YVR I was just trying to show that your 7x and 1
34 Cayman: Mark, I agree with your point that if the TWOV embargo ends that could leave AC exposed--however, don't underestimate the numbers of people from latin
35 FLYACYYZ: I think you're right about the A320 range serving CCS. Actually when I first started flying, AC served CCS/Caracas and PMV/Porlamar with the L-1011. I
36 StarAC17: - They're stopping YYZ-KIN NOOOO!!!! Although it will be nice to see JM in YYZ - It's surprising that they are downgrading YYZ-MBJ because I thought t
37 FLYACYYZ: Actually KIN will still continue to be served twice per week on an A319 by Air Canada. A/P miles will be available but tight, as AC has a limited numb
38 FLYYUL: YULYYT is back AC176 departs YUL at 2000 (or 8pm).. A319 aircraft. Mark
39 FLYYUL: Alrighty... SOME of the elements of the summer sked are available, im sure the full details will be out by week's end (at least I hope)
41 FLYACYYZ: YVR1968 Read Mark's original post. It's all pretty much there, with some adjustments as reflected in the thread. Just added: YYZ-CCS & YYZ-BOG June 04
42 Bmacleod: Regarding LHR & 744's: Currently showing 2 763's and 3 330's daily, although the 74E should make a return 4 times weekly probably on AC848/AC849 YYZLH
44 FLYYUL: It seems like YYZ-MSY will go down to Jazz CRJ.. I have retrieved the following. YYZ MSY 1040 1250 AC8026 Y9 M9 B9 H9 V9 Q9 L9 U2 A2 R2 CRJ Mark
45 FLYACYYZ: Didn't hear that about MSY. Another one bites the dust. MSY loads are weak in the summer, but could see that alternating between mainline/connector se
46 FLYACYYZ: A mere half hour after my previous post..received an e-mail from my contact at HQ. Seems that the 3rd 74E is going to be "dusted off" 4 days a week af
47 FLYACYYZ: MORE CHANGES - YVR-EWR (New for S2004) Scrapped YVR-ANC (1 daily down from 2 planned daily)
49 FLYYUL: More news. YYZ-SEA being cut from 2 to 1 a day YYZ-MEX being cut from 2 to 1 767-200 A substantial decrease in capacity on the following routes: YYZ-L
50 Yyz717: Thanks for posting all these updates Mark. Looks like some serious capacity declines for YYZ-ATL/LGA/EWR if not frequencies. At least the 146's will r
51 Lymanm: Maybe it'll be used as a sub, albeit an expensive one!
52 Al: MORE CHANGES - YVR-EWR (New for S2004) Scrapped YVR-ANC (1 daily down from 2 planned daily) Why do they always seem to do this?? Do they have no forwa
53 FLYYUL: Sir, Skeds for airlines are usually finalized some 2-3 months before departure, Air Canada is no stranger to this, neither is AA or NW or CO who have
54 Sebwhite: YOW-BOS is also down to DH8s from CRJs.
55 Cayman: Hello all, I know Rod dealt with this way earlier in a post, but I was wondering if anyone can now confirm the status of the GCM flights? When is freq
56 MAH4546: YYZMIA reduced from 3 to 2 daily both ops by A320 I have heard that this is because the third daily is going to move to FLL. Is this happening? I know
57 YVR1968: All YYC domestic flights are going to be narrow bodies. Even 1 daily LHR is going to 767-200. So that leaves the 1 daily 767-200 and the 2 daily A330
58 Whiteguy: Here's some flight numbers for Jul 13th I got from the employee travel site. YYC-YVR 16+ AC/ZIP/JAZZ YYC-YYZ 14 HOURLY FROM 0610-1810 ALSO 1200 DEPT T
59 Al: Skeds for airlines are usually finalized some 2-3 months before departure, Air Canada is no stranger to this, neither is AA or NW or CO who have just
60 YOW: Unsurprisingly, YOW reductions continue. The only gains over last summer YOW-YUL up to 10x daily +2 Now the losses: YOW-YXU 1X DH3 -1 YOW-BOS all DH1
61 Yyz717: With such poor service levels, someone please remind me again why we still need a so-called national flag carrier?????? Actually, we don't need a so-c
62 FLYYUL: 'With such poor service levels, someone please remind me again why we still need a so-called national flag carrier??????" -YOU MUST LOVE WESTJET.. whe
63 CanadaEH: YOW, you'll be glad (or not?) that Westjet is growing its presence in YOW this summer.
64 Yyz717: Air Canada is for sure one of the best service carriers in north America. Neil just stop your anti-AC rhetoric, its really annoying.. you keep saying
65 FLYYUL: So Neil, From a strategic operational and financial aspect, examine why Air Canada is bankrupt... honestly, I hear you pointing the finger, but you do
66 Yyz717: examine why Air Canada is bankrupt... honestly, I hear you pointing the finger, but you dont do a lot of explaining In a nutshell: 1. High unit costs
67 FLYYUL: Some news here. AC870 YULCDG, will go back to the A330-300 instead of the 763 AC880 YYZCDG, will go back to the 767-300 instead of the A333
68 Lymanm: So then what will the A345s do on their "days off" the DEL route? Rapidairs?
69 FLYACYYZ: For the summer schedule... 2nd YYZ-CDG frequency operating 6 times weekly with 767-233ER all Y configuration. (AC882) Flight was needed to accomodate
70 FLYACYYZ: A340-500 Operating YYZ-YVR-YYZ effective July YYZ-HKG operates effective August 1st YYZ-BOG Start-up pushed from mid-June to July YYZ-HAV Service redu
71 Hockey55dude: Why is San-yyz Suspended? Was that route doing bad?
72 Haveric: With US joining Star, do you think there is a chance AC would initiate YVR-PHL? Seems like a possibility...
73 FLYACYYZ: YVR-PHL would be considered seasonally only along the lines of YVR-BOS & YVR-IAD which coincide with Vancouver's cruise season. As of now, nothing in
74 FLYACYYZ: YVR-NRT was slated for 5 X A343 and 2 X A330 weekly, introducing the first Trans-Pacific A330's. Now back to Plan "A" - Daily A343's.
75 YUL332LX: A bit off topic but it looks like AC 9298-9299 (LH’s YUL-MUC flight operated by Thomas Cook) will not operate next winter. This flight was originall
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