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Airbus A340-500/600 Orders/Deliveries/Operators  
User currently offlineTeahan From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 5294 posts, RR: 61
Posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 23 hours ago) and read 7673 times:

Airbus has at last modified the format of its Orders/Deliveries spreadsheet to include individual fleet subtypes, now making far easier to get a clear picture of the exact A340-600/600 order/delivered/operated position (we have had several discussions on the past trying to establish correct figures):

http://www.airbus.com/doc/media/ordersndeliveries/orders_n_deliveries.xls

A340-500 Ordered/Delivered/Operated

Air Canada 2/0/0
Emirates 10/4/4
ILFC 1/0/0
Qatar Airways/Amiri Flight 1/1/1
Singapore Airlines 5/3/3
Thai 3/0/0

Total: 22 ordered (4 carriers, 1 lessor, 1 'government'), 8 delivered/operated (2 carriers, 1 'government').

A340-600 Ordered/Delivered/Operated

Aerolineas Argentinas 6/0/0 (I am still trying to establish AR's intentions in light of their recent purchase of 4 ex-Air Canada B747-400s)
Air Canada 3/0/0
Cathay Pacific 0/0/3 (All leased from ILFC)
China Eastern 5/3/3
Emirates 18/0/0
Iberia 8/3/3
ILFC 11/4/0 (Operated: 3 at Cathay Pacific, 1 at South African)
Lufthansa 10/6/6
Qatar Airways/Amiri Flight 2/0/0
South African 6/6/7 (1 operated leased from ILFC)
Thai 5/0/0
Virgin 10/6/6

Total: 84 ordered (11 carriers and 1 lessor), 28 delivered/operated (6 carriers).

A340-500/600 Total: 106 ordered (12 carriers and 1 lessor), 36 delivered/operated (8 carriers, 1 'government')

Jeremiah





[Edited 2004-03-06 03:51:48]


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User currently offlineAnxebla From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7571 times:

It's not bad for AIRBUS  Smile .... one question...Can you tell me if A340-300 is still
in production?If so...(yes according to Airbus' Web) Do you know if Airbus want to stop A343's production in favour of A345/346???


User currently offlineTeahan From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 5294 posts, RR: 61
Reply 2, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 22 hours ago) and read 7554 times:

@Anxelbla:

Yes the A340-300 is still in production, although new production models are now the -300Enhanced, the first of this slightly updated variant is due to be delivered to South African Airways shortly.

No planes to stop production. Remember the A340-300 and A340-500/600 serve different market segments (size/payload/range).

Jeremiah



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User currently offlineLVZXV From Gabon, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 37
Reply 3, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7501 times:

Teahan:

I'm as confused as you are with AR. Seems their 744s will replace their 742s (which still have years of service left on them), but the A340-600 is another matter. I believe that that order survived the crisis by way of procrastination, i.e. the first A346 was initially due to arrive in April this year, but delivery has been postponed to November 2006. I'm far from 100% certain on that issue, but I'm making do with the information I have, and plus no one seems to know much about them!



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User currently offlineN243NW From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 1632 posts, RR: 20
Reply 4, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 7476 times:

Yes the A340-300 is still in production, although new production models are now the -300Enhanced, the first of this slightly updated variant is due to be delivered to South African Airways shortly.

Interesting. What are the differences between the A343E and the regular 343? I've never heard of it. Thanks!
-N243NW Big grin



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User currently offlineND From Belgium, joined Feb 2004, 280 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7288 times:

This is the first time I've seen Emirates order the A346, quite surprising!


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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 7241 times:


Egyptair is expected to re-order 2 A340-600 (plus 2 options) by the end of the year to fill the void once the 747s have been phased out.



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User currently offlineLeskova From Germany, joined Oct 2003, 6075 posts, RR: 70
Reply 7, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7203 times:

N243NW, not to go too far off topic, but the A343E is fitted with upgraded engines, as well with - I think - some smaller upgrades to the cockpit (LCDs instead of CRTs - or was this introduced earlier?)... I also think there were 2-3 other changes, but the engines were the main point.

And concerning those EK A346s - oops, I must have missed that as well, cause it was a bit of a surprise for me, too...

Regards,
Frank



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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17053 posts, RR: 67
Reply 8, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 12 hours ago) and read 7180 times:

Quoting the Airliners infopage on the A340-200/300:

"The heavier A340-300E is available in 271,000kg (597,450lb) and 275,000kg (606,275lb) max takeoff weights, their typical ranges with 295 passengers are 13,155km (7100nm) and 13,525km (7300nm) respectively. Power for these models is from 152.3kN (34,000lb) CFM56-5C4s (the most powerful CFM56s built). The first A340-300Es were delivered to Singapore Airlines in April 1996."

See here: http://www.airliners.net/info/stats.main?id=27

And while we're on the subject, what about the "x" suffix, like SAS's A340-313x?

[Edited 2004-03-06 14:51:16]


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User currently offlineTeahan From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 5294 posts, RR: 61
Reply 9, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7071 times:

The Emirates A340-600 order, you all missed last year's Paris Air Show.  Big grin

@LXZXV: Thanks.

@Orus: First I've heard of Egypt Air reordering those 2 A340-600s, interesting.

@Starlionblue: That isn't the current A340-300E. Details on this mid-life update are as follows.

- Fly-by-wire rudder.
- Improved flightdeck features.
- Updated cabin features/architecture.
- Rear crew rest area option.
- Updated engines which lower maintenance costs by 10%.

Jeremiah




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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 10, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7057 times:

Teahan

When I flew with the airline in December, their in-flight magazine had an article from the chairman, Capt. Sherif Galal, who said the airline will probably re-order 4 A340-600s to enhance their long-haul and high capacity markets.



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User currently offlineGreaser From Bahamas, joined Jan 2004, 1101 posts, RR: 4
Reply 11, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7023 times:

Why did EK order the a346 when they already have the 777-300??? and soon the 300ER???


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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 11 hours ago) and read 7004 times:

Apparently both Airbus and Boeing made offers the airline could not refuse. Emirates cleverly played them against each other to get the best price. Though I think that Airbus was more of a winner since it sold the aircraft unlike the 777s which are all leased from ILFC


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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 8 hours ago) and read 6898 times:

Though I think that Airbus was more of a winner since it sold the aircraft unlike the 777s which are all leased from ILFC

...among the major reasons for this is that EK asked Boeing/GE for a GE90 producing 120-125,000lbs thrust. Considering that the 110-115,000lbs versions had yet to be certified, that wasn't exactly an option at the time of order.


User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6807 times:

Concordeboy

so why didn't they simply wait until the engine was available. Also if that was the case couldn't they have agreed to purchase the arcaft at a later date from ILFC?



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User currently offlineStarlionblue From Greenland, joined Feb 2004, 17053 posts, RR: 67
Reply 15, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 6780 times:

Maybe the GE90 will never go to 125000 lb. You're talking quite a way over what is currently available. And maybe it was just a way of justifying their choice, by placing an "impossible" demand on Boeing/GE.


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User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8455 posts, RR: 10
Reply 16, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 6668 times:
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Was the 340-300E not introduced to allow engine commonality for those operators using 340-600? Just a thought but it might make sense, if they are available with engines other than CFM. SAA have R-R on their 346s.


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User currently offlineWhiteguy From Canada, joined Nov 2003, 799 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6608 times:
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AR didn't pick up 4 of AC's B744, 1 went to Philipines and 1 is still in MZJ but they may have got the other 2. Not sure where they are.

User currently offlineAndz From South Africa, joined Feb 2004, 8455 posts, RR: 10
Reply 18, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 5 hours ago) and read 6560 times:
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The GE90-115B has produced over 127,000lb thrust so maybe it's not that far fetched.

http://www.geae.com/engines/commercial/ge90/index.html



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User currently offlineTeahan From Germany, joined Nov 1999, 5294 posts, RR: 61
Reply 19, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 6436 times:

@Andz: Good logic though definitely not the case; they still use different engines.

@Whiteguy: They are getting 4 B747-400s according to Flight International, 10 Feb.Two are definitely ex-Air Canada, I just presumed they other 2 were also. My mistake.

Jeremiah



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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 6280 times:

so why didn't they simply wait until the engine was available. Also if that was the case couldn't they have agreed to purchase the arcaft at a later date from ILFC?

By the time all 26 are delivered, such PIP might be available.


Maybe the GE90 will never go to 125000 lb.

As pointed out by Andz, the GE90 has already well exceeded 125K in sustained output.


it might make sense, if they are available with engines other than CFM

The only other engine ever available on the original A340s were the CFM56 and V2500 "Superfan"... the latter of which failed to meet its initial expectations and was withdrawn from offer on the A340.


User currently offlineThrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2690 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 6232 times:

No other engine has proven worthy of matching the GE-90 in efficient operation over 100,000 pounds. PW and RR will have to make major modifications to their engines on the 777, or start out clean new designs. It is clear that the fact that only one engine type is available on the 773ER and the -772LR will hurt their sales with other airlines. The GE-90 must have a rival of these sales are to improve. It is clear that airlines like AA, loyal to Rolls Royce, for the 772LR are not satisfied with one engine choice.


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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (10 years 6 months 4 weeks 5 hours ago) and read 6215 times:

Doesnt matter what they're "satisfied" with or not.... that doesnt change the fact that Boeing is powerless to offer these aircraft with anything other than GE90 powerplants.

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