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User currently offlineStrickerje From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 723 posts, RR: 1
Posted (10 years 7 months 7 hours ago) and read 5083 times:

I'm planning to fly ANC-FAI-BRW this summer on an Alaska Airlines 737-200C, and I'm wondering where would be the best place to sit. From the information I've gathered, each pallet can accomodate passengers or freight, and the aircraft can be loaded with as many or as few of each as desired. The seat map on Alaska Airlines' website (and SeatGuru.com) only shows the all-passenger configuration, so is there any way to know in advance how the aircraft will be configured on the flight that day, and if so, where to sit to have the best view? My numbers and dates are as follows:

ANC-FAI-BRW, June 4, 2004: AS 143 (Dep. 6:30, Arr. 7:23)
BRW-FAI-ANC, June 7, 2004: AS 144 (Dep. 10:01, Arr. 12:51)

By the way, is there any chance of seeing Mt. McKinley on the flights between Anchorage and Fairbanks? If so, I'll plan to sit on the left outbound and the right returning. Thanks,

-Jeffrey S.

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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29802 posts, RR: 58
Reply 1, posted (10 years 7 months 7 hours ago) and read 5014 times:

The ramp crews that set up the seating won't know until the day of the flight, at least we didn't when I worked there a decade ago. We would get the configs from the lead maybe two or three in the morning and then set up all the outgoing 6 am flights.


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There wasn't much difference in the seats no matter what config it was in, So i wouldn't worry about it. It is just like any other 737 combi except that the windowline seems a couple of inches higher due to the palletized seating.


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Oh, yeah, you should be able to really well, actually you can see it from Anchorage without having to get on an airplane. Although winter skies are better for that.


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User currently offlineRamprat74 From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 1539 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (10 years 7 months 6 hours ago) and read 5007 times:

I was wondering. What if you get a igloo full of fish. Wouldn't it smell up the whole plane?

User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29802 posts, RR: 58
Reply 3, posted (10 years 7 months 6 hours ago) and read 4990 times:

Actually, as far as animal products go, shipping raw bear hides is the nastiest. Smell, not well bagged and boxed, not frozen so it doesn't ruin the hide for the taxidermist, packed in salt sometimes.

Fish at least is packaged pretty well, since it is ment to be a foodstuff, and most of it is frozen already. Worst things fish wise where the pallets of Salmon Roe, All of this little 5 kilo tubs that are leaky and sticky and salty.

Thrown more of that then I care to think of.



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User currently offlineFlyingNanook From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 830 posts, RR: 12
Reply 4, posted (10 years 7 months 6 hours ago) and read 4987 times:

Woo hoo! Finally something that I know about. I've flown the combis many times. It all depends on how much cargo AS decides to carry. Since it's in summer I would assume that the plane will be mostly passengers.

Right now, according to their seat maps for your dates and flights, it looks like rows 1-7 will be missing for the cargo. Most likely, they won't remove any more rows, but check back closer to your flight.

As for seeing Denali (as the locals call it), you probably won't see it because the weather is almost always cloudy around the mountain all summer long. If you see it, it will be most likely on the early morning flight because that is when it's clearest. The unfortunate thing about Alaska is that in summer when the tourists come, Denali likes to hide. In winter on the other hand, it is visible quite often, from Fairbanks at least.

As to where to sit. I would recommend sitting closer to the rear of the plane, behind the wings to see anything. The flight path is east of Denali, so sit on the left heading north, right heading south. Also remember that the plane boards from the rear so you won't be using a jetway. Wear something that you don't mind getting wet in case of rain.



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User currently offlineStrickerje From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 723 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (10 years 7 months 6 hours ago) and read 4982 times:

Thanks for the info! So, if the configuration isn't decided until the day of the flight, could I still select a seat in advance? (I'm assuming here that the seat numbers in the back won't change even when seats ahead of them are replaced by cargo.) Thanks,

-Jeffrey S.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29802 posts, RR: 58
Reply 6, posted (10 years 7 months 6 hours ago) and read 4978 times:

I'll have to look but somewhere at home I have a cheet card from my Alaska Ramp Rat days that showed the seating arrangements. One of my jobs was to push those seat pallets on and off.

Correct though, the seats toward the front of the airplane go first.



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29802 posts, RR: 58
Reply 7, posted (10 years 7 months 6 hours ago) and read 4973 times:

Flying Nanook is quite right, Early morning and Evening are the best times to see it.

My recommendation is that if you can do it, head up to PT Worzonoff, where I took that photo of the AS737 in the rain, or up to the Glenn Alps parking lot and you should get a good shot of it. Preferably in the morning.

Part of the problem is that in Alaska we tend to have earlier fire seasons then the rest of the country, so haze may be a problem depending on what is burning.



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 8, posted (10 years 7 months 6 hours ago) and read 4970 times:

Well for one thing, no First Class on any of these -200C's so the best place to sit is pretty much anywhere.

The ramp crews that set up the seating won't know until the day of the flight

This still holds true. The Ops at AS changes daily. You might want to call Rez at 1-800-AlaskaAir for pax counts.

I was wondering. What if you get a igloo full of fish. Wouldn't it smell up the whole plane?

No, not necessarly. AS usually ship the fish in the cargo pits and that area always smell bad. But Im not sure what is usually shipped in the Igloos though.

It is just like any other 737 combi except that the windowline seems a couple of inches higher due to the palletized seating.

Again, this is also true. You get a good view rather than having to slouch down to actually look out the window like on the other 737's.







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User currently offlineFlyingNanook From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 830 posts, RR: 12
Reply 9, posted (10 years 7 months 6 hours ago) and read 4949 times:

So, if the configuration isn't decided until the day of the flight, could I still select a seat in advance?

I've always been able to select seats in advance. Just remember that if need be, AS will remove seats starting in the front so if you choose one of the first rows, you may lose your seat.

Also I just remembered about the combis, the overhead bins are smaller than in other 737's, probably smaller than those in RJ's. You won't be able to fit a roller bag up there, but AS does have gate check-in for carry-ons, much like Horizon does for their flights.

Also correct me if I'm wrong, but for some reason I have the notion that each pallet of seats is 7 rows. Can you ramp people who know more of these things please enlighten me?



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User currently onlinePilawt From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 101 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 7 months 6 hours ago) and read 4943 times:

>The unfortunate thing about Alaska is that in summer
>when the tourists come, Denali likes to hide.

True. But as the photo below shows, when the great mountain comes out, it is spectacular (8 Aug. 2003, from an AS 737-200C, FAI - ANC). We were very fortunate.



User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29802 posts, RR: 58
Reply 11, posted (10 years 7 months 6 hours ago) and read 4938 times:

Yes they are smaller, to fit the profile of the Igloos, Look at the interor shots I put up in reply #1

No it is only two or three rows per pallet. I will check if I find that cheat card, but I want to say that there are also a couple of weird spacer pallets that may or may not be used depending on the configuration and the exit row pallet has a pair of double seats and a pair of triples rather then four triple seats.

[Edited 2004-03-06 08:19:14]


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User currently offlineStrickerje From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 723 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (10 years 7 months 6 hours ago) and read 4936 times:

Alright, I'll go ahead and request seats in the back (about rows 18 to 20) on the left going down and on the right coming back. I've got 6 hours in Anchorage, so I'll try to remember to check out those viewing spots. (Unfortunately, those 6 hours are between midnight and 6:00 a.m. after 19 hours enroute, so I might be falling asleep since I don't usually sleep on flights.)

Thanks for all of your help; I think I'll really enjoy this trip! Hopefully when I return I'll have some photos to submit to airliners.net that will promptly be rejected.  Big grin

-Jeffrey S.


User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29802 posts, RR: 58
Reply 13, posted (10 years 7 months 6 hours ago) and read 4925 times:

Lets see here, what to do in Anchorage between midnight and 6....

Kootz's still should be open for a couple more hours  Laugh out loud

Just get a cab to take you to the end of Spenard Road.



[Edited 2004-03-06 08:22:08]


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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (10 years 7 months 5 hours ago) and read 4904 times:

No it is only two or three rows per pallet.

Its 3 rows per pallet a total of 18 seats.

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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29802 posts, RR: 58
Reply 15, posted (10 years 7 months 5 hours ago) and read 4905 times:

No it is only two or three rows per pallet.

Its 3 rows per pallet a total of 18 seats.


Well that is what happens when you have been out of the loop for a decade.  Big thumbs up



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 16, posted (10 years 7 months 5 hours ago) and read 4875 times:

I dont blame ya, L-188. Remember, AS has their own pallet shop in the sheet metal shop and there is no company that builds pallets for them. So AS can configure the pallets to their desire, Ive seen how its done and its pretty cool. Saves time and money.


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User currently offlineRydawg82 From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 864 posts, RR: 8
Reply 17, posted (10 years 7 months 5 hours ago) and read 4872 times:

As mentioned earlier, right now your aircraft is set to be in 2 pallet configuration. This means 72 coach seats, starting at row 8 going back to row 20 on the right side, 19 on the left side. Of course subject to change frequently without notice  Smile

Ryan



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User currently offlineCanoecarrier From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 2839 posts, RR: 12
Reply 18, posted (10 years 7 months 5 hours ago) and read 4871 times:

Enjoy the ride, I flew it CDV-ANC a couple months ago for the first time. I thought it was a great experience. I think the funny thing was the tiny baggage sizers they had at the CDV airport since the 732 has VERY small overhead bins.




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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29802 posts, RR: 58
Reply 19, posted (10 years 7 months 5 hours ago) and read 4872 times:

Actually I didn't know that they built those internally. I knew that they did they own upholstery maintaince and recovering.

Hey question, do you know what did they do with the Anchorage seat shop when they tore down C Concourse? It used to be right at the end there.

Did they move in into the old freight facility at the Anchorage headquarters, when they built the new Cargo center and hanger or what?

The other thing about the seat shop is that it seemed that everybody that worked they had been with the airline since the dawn of time.



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 20, posted (10 years 7 months 5 hours ago) and read 4852 times:

I was stationed at SEA with the heavy check crew in the new hangar so I dont know much about ANC ops. They built a new hangar at ANC and Ive never seen it yet.

As for the pallet shop, they've been building their own a pallets for years and years. The -200C pallets for both, seats and flat rollers, lasts about 3-5 years due to heavy use and corrosion so they are always building new ones. They can finish 2 new pallets a month.

Their interiors shop is in SEA between the old and new hangars above the sheet metal shop. They do all the seat recovery and the like.

AS also planned on expansion of the new hangar. I dont remember what specifically was going to be done but I've posted this info on a different topic. They wanted to take over the land that Signature flight support currently is at to accomidate 2-3 more a/c in the 'expanded' hangar with 4 more planes outside. This project has been put on hold due to the 9/11 stuff.

Hope this helps.



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29802 posts, RR: 58
Reply 21, posted (10 years 7 months 5 hours ago) and read 4843 times:

Yeah, AS took over the old Markair hanger here. Prior to that they worked out of Troy-Air hanger down the road.

I understand that they had to lengthen the Markair hanger to fully take and MD-80. Apparently the Feds where being pissy about having the tail stick out to work on it. Anyway that work took them a while. That is also when they built the new cargo facility right in front of it.

I just figured that AS bought kits from Lucas or one of the other aircraft equipment manufacturers.

I can see those pallets taking a beating, spilled soda pop is a hell of a corrosive.

[Edited 2004-03-06 09:22:54]


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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 22, posted (10 years 7 months 5 hours ago) and read 4827 times:

I thought the AS hangar in ANC was recently brand new built 2000 or 2001. Also you wouldnt BELIEVE the condition of a used pallet would look like after excessive use. They looked awful. Then again, as you know....kudos to the sheet metal shop!!

As for the kits, you mean the hush kits for the -200C's? I heard that the engine shop in the old hangar dealt with those before I ever came to AS.



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User currently offlineL-188 From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 29802 posts, RR: 58
Reply 23, posted (10 years 7 months 5 hours ago) and read 4818 times:

No, I was refering to the seats and pallets. I figured yall got the components off different vendors. And then just assembled them.

And yes, I could believe it. Makes you wonder why every non-pallet aircraft doesn't have the floor rotted out of it. Seen a couple of small Beech and Piper freighters get the floors replaced. The salt in salmon roe tends to do that.


Nope, it was the old Markair one, but about the only part they saved was the roof trusses, everything else was pretty much rebuilt. You are right about the timeframe. That whole summer you could look right through it because the knocked down both end doors and walls. Like I said, they had to lenghten it to get an MD-80 completely inside it.





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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 24, posted (10 years 7 months 4 hours ago) and read 4809 times:

The vendors that supplied the parts for building the pallet came from Kaiser Steel. The ball and sockets, I dont remember who supplied that. AS just assembled the pallets.

Now question about the hangar, why would the F.A.A. complain about the tails of the M80 sticking out of the hangar when NW had their DC-10 tails sticking out of their old hangar in SEA before they tore it down? I find that weird.



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25 Post contains images L-188 : I think it is weird too, but I don't think any of your companions up here are complaining about having to work inside I don't think an MD-80 could get
26 AirframeAS : I think its all politics when it comes to MX. Some of it is crap but there are reasons for it. I like the way AS does MX in SEA. The things they did w
27 L-188 : Hehehe. Well one of these days I might just have to go out and actually get my A&P. I enjoyed the classes that I did take.
28 AirframeAS : Im doing my A&P studies now here in PHX. I did finish some classes in SEA but only completed like two of them.
29 L-188 : When I transfer the University of Alaska Anchorage, I stated at their A&P program, but their setup takes way to long to complete unless you can spend
30 AirframeAS : I sucked at welding, I hated it. But I have to learn to like it to succeed at it. Im just going for my basic A&P. I havn't decided if I wanted to get
31 L-188 : Yeah, I am starting to hate my desk job as it is.
32 Delta-flyer : Interesting posts, L-188 and AirframAS. The 732 combi sounds fascinating ... maybe I'll take a trip up there myself one day. I've been on a 744 combi
33 L-188 : Yeah, but those combi flights are actually pretty tame. My favorite airplane trip was the time I got to ride in the FAA commisary bird, a C-123. I was
34 AirframeAS : Just be warned, the -200C's on AS are pretty dirty inside AND outside.
35 L-188 : The interiors where ok when I worked there in 94. They where cleaned in Anchorage every night. The exteriors, well, that is one problem with the 737-2
36 AirframeAS : Getting the soot off the fuselage during a check is a major pain in the rear!! Thats one task I hated doing at AS. I was mainly responsible for gettin
37 Post contains links and images L-188 : Hey it could be worse. I used to have to clean the soot off the bottom of the wings of a Volpar. Had to do it by hand with a squirt bottle filled with
38 AirframeAS : Had to do it by hand with a squirt bottle filled with this stuff that ZAP makes, don't remember the name of it, but you did want to wear nitrate glove
39 L-188 : Yeah, that ZAP stuff was pink. I think it was called A-1 or something. They company I worked for decided to stop ordering it because some wennie when
40 AirframeAS : ZAP works wonders yep...maybe you should kill the moron who took the time to look up the MSDS. LOL!! Just be sure you wear safety glasses when handlin
41 L-188 : Well, ZAP makes several different products. Safety Glasses aren't really a concern for my, I wear glasses normally.
42 AirframeAS : Try sniffing TU-77 paint remover....now thats WORSE than ZAP. Ughhh!!
43 L-188 : I try and stay out of the hanger when anything with paint is happening. IMRON kills brain cells
44 AirframeAS : LOL!!!! Thats what respirators are for. Expecially going into fuel cells which I WONT go into in this lifetime.
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