752is From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 88 posts, RR: 0 Posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3310 times:
I think all this stuff is going to far..........and somethings not going to far.
Theres so much I can say but I won't. From all employees I just want to hear some horror stories. I hope some can give me a feedback because I am in the midst of writing the TSA a letter. Good or bad I would like to hear.
Ssides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 20
Reply 1, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3283 times:
You can't expect people to respond and agree/disagree with you unless you tell us what happened.
I've gone through a few hassles, but nothing serious or inconvenient. In 99% of my experiences, the TSA officers have been courteous and efficient. I know there are problems, but overall I think they're doing a good job. And bottom line: no hijackings since 9/11.
PilotNtrng From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 897 posts, RR: 3
Reply 2, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3262 times:
Why are you sick of TSA? Why is any one sick of TSA? You must be one of the millions of idiotic Americans that have forgotten about 9/11. I agree with Ssides, has there been an hijackings? um no, inconveniences? Yes. What price are you willing to pay for safety in the sky? Come on people get off their backs. They are human and bound to make mistakes. If you are the butt end of one, stop crying take it like a human being and get on with your life.
Uadc8contrail From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 1782 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 17 hours ago) and read 3262 times:
do not want to turn this into a anti tsa thread but....if any one has read my posts on this they will know how i feel......i did recieve a follow up letter from the tsa in den believe or not......they are saying that they were justified in inspecting the girls,.......give me a break.......only thing they were justified in doing was being polite...other than that they were the biggest pervs i/the parents have met..........
Flyboy36y From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 3039 posts, RR: 7
Reply 4, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 3188 times:
The argument that PilotNtrng makes is flawed.
1)Just because there have been no hijacking of planes from US Airports since the TSA was started does not mean that they prevented any. There were no hijackings of planes from US airports for a long time before the TSA (other than 9/11)
2) The wepons used to hijack the 9/11 planes were not banned, therefore the security failure on 9/11 was not with the old screeners, but with the law.
B747-4U3 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2002, 995 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 15 hours ago) and read 3161 times:
I have only been to the US 4 times since 9/11 and I have found the TSA to be friendly and polite, although I can well imagine some of the horror stories people have.
I am however, a little sceptical as to the effectiveness of the TSA. I went to Toulouse, France for the day this week, and the security there was excellent. The staff were friendly and the security measures were very effective- my watch even set the machine off (it has never done that before). When the man used his wand thing we found that the silver foil on my packet of polo mints made it beep. That is very effective and perhaps the TSA could learn from the polite and effective French authorities.
HlywdCatft From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 5321 posts, RR: 6
Reply 6, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3071 times:
I question their screen procedures.
They constantly make old ladies take off their shoes or confiscate their nail files, make a little five year old boy take off his ball cap.
At the same time I seen a Muslim gentleman go through a metal detector wearing the long white robe and turban (the kind like Osama wears), set it off, but didn't have to take his shoes off and was just quickly wanded. The TSA screener was probably worried he would get a lawsuit against him by some Arabic Anti Defamation league.
Everyone else has to remove their hats, but I never see a Muslim man have to remove his turban and a muslim woman have to remove her vail. I understand the Islamic law states for women not to show their hair in public to men, but aren't there backrooms and female screeners that can handle this?
Cancidas From Poland, joined Jul 2003, 4112 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3059 times:
i was flying from PHX to DEN to LGA in august of 2002 and had my flight bag as a carryon item (that bag was worth more than my car at the time and i wasn't going to let it out of my sight). i had a manual for a cessna caravan, my logbook, pilot's certificate, medical certificate, charts, approach plates and other such documents, garmin GPS 196, Scanner, etc…. Anyway, the screeners decided i was a threat to the flight and had me detained for 8 hours pending verification of my identification. once they decided to compare my passport, driver's license, pilot certificate, medical certificate, EMT certificate and ID from the EMS provider I was working for (badge included) they let me go. it seems that they are going a little too far!
not to mention they dropped my laptop in MRY, twice. time to hire people who have a brain ascroft!
"...cannot the kingdom of salvation take me home."
GulfstreamGuy From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 646 posts, RR: 1
Reply 8, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3027 times:
As far as security is concerned, I would have to say TSA is doing a wonderful job. I have never run into any problems with them other than once in a while they might throw the wrong airline bag on our belt (in which case we just show them and they take it back.. no problem!). I guess I am a little biased since my dad works for TSA (started right after 9-11) and MANY of my friends do as well. But at other airports I have been to I have never experienced any problems. I really believe they are doing a lot for security. It's amazing just how many people I check in who feel more secure knowing that TSA is at the airport.
It's a two sided argument. You either approve or disapprove of them.
Travatl From United States of America, joined Mar 2001, 2174 posts, RR: 6
Reply 9, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 3001 times:
From a crewmember's perspective, (and one whose been going through airport security every day he's gone to work since he was 19) I couldn't be happier with the TSA.
Compared to the old system, this force is consistent, professional, and courteous. The old days you never knew what to expect at the checkpoints. Most were minimum wage workers, spoke poorly if at all, were dismissive and disinterested.
Goingboeing From United States of America, joined Dec 1999, 4875 posts, RR: 16
Reply 11, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2910 times:
Why are you sick of TSA? Why is any one sick of TSA? You must be one of the millions of idiotic Americans that have forgotten about 9/11.
Nope...haven't forgotten...just remembered that it wasn't an 80 year old woman or a paraplegic in a wheelchair that hijacked the 9/11 flights. The TSA is looking for bombs (and they are missing some of those and some contraband items). If you compare it to El Al....they look for TERRORISTS. They seem to have a pretty good handle on how to screen for them. But that might involve "profiling"...and while we want to be safe...we just can't risk hurting someone's feelings. Here...we've gotten into the "remove the shoe" mania...you just can't tell what a person has stuffed into their Nikes. And woe be the one who decides that they really would rather not take their shoes off and walk barefoot thru the metal detectors...you are a prime terror suspect...and you WILL remove your shoes on the other side and undergo the "terrorist strip search dance" to show the other travellers that they are safe from the potentiaL threat you might have been. I swear...some of them could be on one of those "healing revivals" on religious TV..."Come OUT of that wheelchair and stand with your arms outstreched...praise JESUS!!!!" And I never felt threatened by an old lady in a wheelchair.
Nwcoflyer From United States of America, joined Jun 2003, 695 posts, RR: 13
Reply 12, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 2876 times:
I like the TSA screeners. I think they do a great job. Most are very polite, efficient, and speak English just fine (about 95% of them). I have only come across two rude TSA screeners, one at MCO back in Jun, and the other at KOA just last week. There are bad eggs at every company, and if you see the TSA as a company, than the people who work there are quite nice. After 100+ flights, and only 2 nasty screeners, that is not bad.
Alphascan From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 937 posts, RR: 13
Reply 13, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 2781 times:
The times I've encountered unhappy travelers at TSA checkpoints, they have always, always appeared to be infrequent flyers who do not know what to expect. Like all human beings; airline, ground transport, airport vendors and yes, TSA personnel's attitudes will ususally be a direct reflection of yours.
If you have not learned to be polite and respectful to all of the people working to transport you from point to point, you will continue to have poor experiences. You are just one of thousands, not one in a thousand.
Travel with the attitude that you're going to help "make the day" of everyone you come into contact with, and believe me, they'll make yours!
"To he who only has a hammer in his toolbelt, every problem looks like a nail."
PVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3440 posts, RR: 16
Reply 15, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 2731 times:
No offense ozzie, but if you have nothing to hide, don't worry unless they delay you for an unreasonable amount of time. Now granted this is relative to the person involved. I, for one, don't mind being screened. As long as it does not delay me for hours without any recourse, and they are not trying to make an example out of me. If they are screening you once or twice like everyone else, then I would suggest putting Greyhound's reversations on speed-dial and adding their website to your favorites. I don't know of one person that is happy that 9/11 happened in this country. I just know that reality says we have to make a better effort than before that horrific date when it comes to security at the airport. Could there be more done? Of course. If you were to look at the countries in Europe that have had more screening done prior to the US mandating it, you would see that most countries have been doing it since Lockerbie Scotland. These countries have had years to refine their process and now have something very efficiently operating. If you're ultimately miserable about the TSA, write your congressmen and ask why the hell they ignored all of the reports about the "lack of security" at airports prior to the terrorist attacks. The quick rampup hurts the public and I find it amazing that they have adjusted to the proceedures as well as they have. While I agree that the TSA is not perfect, I believe that they have improved and will only get better with more scrutiny.
MidnightMike From United States of America, joined Mar 2003, 2892 posts, RR: 13
Reply 16, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 2654 times:
No problems with the screeners, in fact the only problems that I have ever observed have been with the passengers complaining about anything & everything. The TSA is here because of 9/11, sorry, learn to live with it.
Kalakaua From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1516 posts, RR: 5
Reply 17, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2610 times:
I hate it when I have the dreaded "SSSS." The TSAs I have encountered are human beings, too. But they also have a job to do. I understand what I have to do, and they understand that they have a job to do. I have faced many courteous and efficient TSAs as well, and a couple of wannabe FBI agents. They aren't all the same, and I cannot speak for all of them. But from my experience, they give passengers, like me, a psychological sense of safety. Oh just get over it. I hate the IRS, but I ain't b****ing about it.
Gravity explains the motions of the planets, but it cannot explain who set the planets in motion.
VC745D From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 214 posts, RR: 1
Reply 18, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2581 times:
The system seems inefficient, and the screeners themselves often don't inspire much confidence--last Tuesday at JFK, for instance, I watched one positioned in front of the x-ray machine barely looking into it as bags passed through, because he was carrying on conversation about his girlfriend with his coworker. But to say, as one poster has, "I DO NOT look like I am a terrorist" is ridiculous.
Ssides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 20
Reply 19, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2578 times:
VC745D brings up an interesting point. Some people bitch about TSA agents being on a power trip, others complain that they're lazy. Personally, I'd rather them take their job too seriously than not seriously enough.
LTBEWR From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 13384 posts, RR: 16
Reply 20, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2538 times:
I fly infrequently, but have done so a number of times since 9/11 and while sometimes the TSA can seem inconsistant in who they select for heavy searches and how they do their work, it is a lot better than pre-9/11.
I flew 2 weeks before 9/11 on CO EWR-BOS-EWR and both ways I had a box cutter and desk sissors in my carry on for use at a job assingnment outside of Boston. They did look twice at my bag leaving EWR but cared more about my cell phone wasn't a bomb, assumed I wasn't 'a terrorist' - no problem. On the return from BOS, bearly a glance at the same box cutter and desk sissors in my carry on. These were the same airports where the Bastards who did 9/11 left from.
Both ways LGA-DTW, Jan 30 & Feb 1, I got the 'go to the side' very through search, probably of purchase of my tickets less than 24 hours before. They were professional and through and I acted very respectably and quietly, and with minimal time lost and I was at the airport both times to leave enough time to get to the gates. I would also note that for many (20) years working in law in NYC area, I have had to go through intensive security checks at many courthouses & government buildings.
Part of the complaints here is because of charges of profiling but don't forget that profiling can miss potential non-profile terrorists (i.e. Richard Reid a/k/a the shoe bomber). Those who 'obiously' are not terrorists think they are being subject to reverse discrimination. Perhaps some of the complaints are that there doesn't seem to be enought TSA screeners during busy times, meaning long lines at the security checks. Another popular complaint is that the procedures are not done 1 person at a time so many pax fear that a valuable laptop computer or bag ends up being taken wrongly or stolen by another person. The TSA is still an expirment in development, so in the meantime, just get to the airport with enought time, and be patient.
737captain From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 120 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 2516 times:
I deal with TSA on a daily basis and have found them to be very polite and proffessional. I believe that alot of these so called "power trips" that they are on are just misinterpreted concerns for the safety of YOU and others traveling with you. I must also add that there are a couple of very attractive and nice female TSA agents in PHX which makes the whole security thing a pleasure, not a pain .
"Why do you insist on man-pawing the glareshield everytime you climb up here?!"
CALMSP From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 4129 posts, RR: 8
Reply 22, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2485 times:
For anyone who says TSA is doing their job and making the skies safer, is a statement that is far from truthful. How can you say they are doing their job correctly when everyday they miss "SSSS" pax at the checkpoint and then we need to delay flights to make sure they are screened by emptying all their bags and clothes. How can you say they are doing their job when we were doing gate screening ourselves at the gate, finding scissors, knives, syringes and other needles. I was flying through my old hometown airport today, and the TSA agent checking ID's and tickets didn't know what to do when I showed up with my badge. I recognize the guy, and he has beenthere since the airport received TSA years ago. Why don't these personnel read and have knowledge of the policies that they come up with. Its pretty bad when they don't know their own procedures and we have to correct them.
okay, I'm waiting for the rich to spread the wealth around to me. Please mail your checks to my house.
Mizzou65201 From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 196 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2467 times:
The argument that "I don't look like a terrorist" is folly, just as deriding the TSA for screening kids and the elderly. No one should get carte blanche to speed through security because they don't "look like a threat." That's when Mr. bin Laden & Co. start hatching plans to sneak through whatever they want to sneak through in kids' backpacks, old folks' canes, etc etc etc. For screening to be at its most effective, EVERYONE must get the same basic level of screening no matter how old you are or what you look like.
HlywdCatft: Ball caps have to come off because there is usually some metal in them (look for that little metal button right on the top.) Turbans on the other hand are simply a piece of cloth.
LTBEWR: The 9/11 flights left from EWR and BOS, but at least some of the terrorists began the day at PWM and connected. PWM was the screening site.
United_Fan From United States of America, joined Nov 2000, 7571 posts, RR: 7
Reply 24, posted (11 years 1 month 3 weeks 2 days ago) and read 2459 times:
In all fairness to the TSA,they are not perfect,but are much better than the Argenbrights,etc who used to do it. In my travels since they were initiated,I've only had one run-in with them that was negative - I was leaving SEA,and my suitcase was scanned by those Million-dollar scanners,and something set it off. So,my name was called,and I had to stand on a taped line on the floor while an agent opened it up.
After rummaging around , he first produced my airband scanner,which I never travel without (doesn't everyone?). What's this ? It's a scanner, Why do you have one ? I listen to planes,it's a hobby. Oh....
Next he finds my can of glass cleaner witch is a 'hazardous material' according to him! Like deodorant isn't?? So I have to fill out an FAA form because I was carrying freakin' glass cleaner! Anyways,it was confiscated, hope he liked it for use at home!!!!!!
I've heard horror stories about the TSA in PHL,but in my travels,the agents in MIA,SEA (except the one mentioned above) & LAS are very courteous and friendly.
'Empathy was yesterday...Today, you're wasting my Mother-F'ing time' - Heat.
: So what is your response to the TSA agents who came from Argenbright or Globe. There are many who just switched uniforms, does that make them better?
: I see complaints about TSA all the time. I think its the attitude passengers take with them going into security. Heres the deal, if you hate SSSSS, bu
: Mizzou65201, you are correct as to the terrorists being screened at PWM and not BOS, but still the security failed. The bastard-terrorists probably fo
: HEY hey hey!!! I had my own experience, you had your own experience!!! The TSAs that I have encountered are and were courteous and efficient! So pleas
: None of the agents from Globe or Argenbright became TSA screeners in GRR. Those people were the laziest bunch of retards that I wouldn't trust to guar
: Heres the deal, if you hate SSSSS, buy round trip tickets Not necessarily true. I flew SVG-AMS-MSP-AMS-SVG over Easter of 2002. On my return I was the
: KaiG ... I do exactly as you .... by preventing the metal detector going off, I never get searched. Whenever I set the detector off, I always get sear
: Delta-flyer, makes things a lot smoother. Today they had to do the explosive sweep test on my laptop though, because my coat fell off the first tray a
: Brian, there are a couple of Globe screeners that are now TSA, I only know that b/c they worked the A concourse while Argenbright worked the B where y
: my complaint is not about the people...its the process. The fact that they are inconsistent...thier procedures (on and off the plane) are nonsense and
: Flairport, I agree with you about the bathroom rule. However as far as the six year old getting stopped because he set off an alarm. Do you remember a
: Flairport ... I don't think the procedures are inconsistent ... it's just the contrary that resulted in the 6-year old being searched. But you have to
: I got stopped for a special search every time I flew in 2002, and about half the times in 2003. Not at the security checkpoint each time, but at the g