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Why American Connection And Eagle?  
User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5498 times:

Is American Connection called that because of contracts renegotiated post-TWA purchase? I did see one or two American EAGLE RJ's at Lambert this week, but obviously, most of them were Connection.



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User currently offlineOuboy79 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 4599 posts, RR: 22
Reply 1, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5437 times:

Yes...American Connection is what is left over of TWE. It will probably go away...eventually. We'll see.

User currently offlineAAJAXFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 3 hours ago) and read 5434 times:

American Eagle Airlines, Inc., is a wholly owned regional subsidiary of American Airlines (AMR Corp). It is the largest regional airline in the world. American Connection is contract carriers that were the former Trans World Express operators. The American Eagle EMB-135s that you saw were operating from New York/LaGuardia, the one route that Eagle has had into St. Louis. However, they will end St. Louis service when that route goes to MD-80s in the near future.

User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 2 hours ago) and read 5401 times:

LGA-STL is partly MD80 as it stands. I was originally booked on an early AM flight out of LGA (6:50am) and it was going to be an MD80.

I believe they are adding more frequencies from LGA to STL this summer, with more MD80's.



User currently offlineAAR90 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 3474 posts, RR: 46
Reply 4, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days 1 hour ago) and read 5370 times:

American Eagle Airlines, Inc., is a wholly owned regional subsidiary of American Airlines (AMR Corp).

To be more accurate, American Airlines does not own any other airlines. AMR Corp. is the holding company that owns both American Airlines and American Eagle.

American Connection is contract carriers that were the former Trans World Express operators.

AMR has used the "American Connection" brand name on previous occasions. Essentially the only difference between "Eagle" and "Connection" is that AMR actually owns the "Eagle" airline while it does not own the "Connection" airline.



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User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 5, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 4 days ago) and read 5305 times:

Not all American Connection carriers came in by way of TWE. Corporate Airlines came into the fold after Midway shutdown the first time post-9/11. Corporate was running flights out of BNA to ATL and several other JI stations. When JI bailed out of most of those cities when they restarted, Corporate ended up doing the same flights they did for JI for American under the American Connection banner.

User currently offlinePVD757 From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 3413 posts, RR: 16
Reply 6, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5250 times:

There is also a loophole in the AA pilots contract that allowed a certain percentage of contract flying outside of the scope clause that exists between AA and AE aircraft. AA has tried to maximize this part at the expense of the AE carrier.

User currently offlineAAJAXFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5169 times:

It's too bad the American Connection flying can't go to Eagle.... keep AMR employees having jobs and give some room for those who want to flow back from AA upon furlough.

User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 8, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5136 times:

As said above...American Eagle fights are aircraft operated by AMR Corp/American Airlines and their employees. American Connection flight are contracted out to other regional Carriers like Chautauqua, Trans States, Corporate Express...etc. The best way to tell which is which quickly.......the 'Eagle' logo on the tail of AE flights are blue and red, and on AC flights it's solid blue. One of the first 'Connection' carriers was Business Express back in 1997. AMR Corp takes the 2 carriers very seriously as when BEX applied the 'Connection' logo to the aircraft, it was printed in the wrong color blue and had a red and blue Eagle. We where order to quickly change this as we where NOT Eagle..!! Later, as the full merger got closer, BEX began to fly as FULL American Eagle, but still flew in our own colors. ( I think this was a first and only) At that time, we scrapped off all the 'Connection' logos and applied 'American Eagle' logos and the red and blue 'Eagle'.

As far as American Eagle being the largest regional carrier in the world...we may want to check out the numbers....... ExpressJet is quickly approaching if not already passed. They finished with 230 aircraft on Feb 29 2004.

[Edited 2004-03-06 22:25:25]

[Edited 2004-03-06 22:28:19]


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User currently offlineAAJAXFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5114 times:

As far as American Eagle being the largest regional carrier in the world...we may want to check out the numbers....... ExpressJet is quickly approaching if not already passed. They finished with 230 aircraft on Feb 29 2004.

I wouldn't have posted it if it were not true. American Eagle qualifies as a major airline.... other U.S. regionals do not. Source is the Bureau of Transportation Statistics. Sure, Continental Express may be approaching with fleet numbers, but what about revenue or passengers carried?


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5069 times:

How does American Eagle qualify as a Major Carrier.......??? On what standard are you using.....? Stand alone, does AE have more then 1 Billion dollars in revenue...??? That is how the DOT grades a National and Major carriers. I didn't think AMR Corp issued separate earnings reports for AA and AE.


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User currently offlineAAJAXFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 19 hours ago) and read 5035 times:

American Eagle generates more than $1 billion in revenue a year, according to the DOT. The Bureau of Transportation Statistics, a part of the Department of Transportation, lists American Eagle as a major airline... so it would be by revenue. Eagle has $1.3 billion a year in expenses alone.

I'm quite aware of how the DOT designates national/major carriers, which is why I'm confident that if the DOT says Eagle is a major carrier, and no other regional makes the list, that it's pretty evident how the others stack up against Eagle.


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 12, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 4992 times:

I'm quite aware of how the DOT designates national/major carriers, which is why I'm confident that if the DOT says Eagle is a major carrier, and no other regional makes the list.......

You may want to look again.....I saw 2 Regional carriers on the DOT list.........

American Eagle and ExpressJet



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User currently offlineAAJAXFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4961 times:

You may want to look again.....I saw 2 Regional carriers on the DOT list.........

A very recent addition then. The list I was using, I accessed in December of 2003. I cannot find anything whatsoever after a half hour of searching the BTS and DOT sites that shows ExpressJet as a major airline. Since you know it all, you may post a link if you are so kind.


User currently offlineAmwest25 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4934 times:

EMBQA:

Yes please do post the link, I have yet to see Express Jet listed as a major.


User currently offlineAAJAXFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 17 hours ago) and read 4922 times:

Searching the 2002 Annual Reports, which is the most recent financial data put out by either company, AMR Corp lists American Eagle has having in excess of $1.3 billion in revenue for 2002. ExpressJet Holdings reports just barely over $1.0 billion in revenue.
American Eagle also has another billion available seat miles over ExpressJet.


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 16, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4871 times:

AAJAX-

It came right off the DOT web site you mentioned above. It's broken into 3 Groups.......Group 3, Revenue greater then 1 Billion classifies an airline as Major Carrier.

http://www.bts.gov/publications/accounting_and_reporting_directive/number_270.html

[Edited 2004-03-07 02:16:47]


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User currently offlineAAJAXFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4861 times:

It came right off the DOT web site you mentioned above.

Interesting, however they are barely a major carrier (only by a couple hundred million at the most). Still leaves American Eagle as the largest regional carrier in the United States, and in the world. Apparently they are only a major effective 1 January 2004, having not achieved this prior.


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 18, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 16 hours ago) and read 4832 times:

Dude...your now splitting hairs. I never said AE was NOT the largest, just ExpressJet is closing in on them.

Now, since you have an inside track at Eagle.,...are they still talking about spinning Eagle off as an Independent company..like Continental did with Express last year...?



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User currently offlineAAJAXFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4805 times:

Now, since you have an inside track at Eagle

Do I really?


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4755 times:

Well.... I guess numbers don't lie and I was right after all. This information was taken directly from both airlines Febuary traffic results. If you remove Executive Airlines results, the differance are even greater.

Jan-Feb 2004
American Eagle (including Executive):
RPM: 838,861
ASM: 1,372,632
Load Factor: 61.1%

ExpressJet:
RPM: 956,664
ASM: 1,537,621
Load Factor: 62.2%

YTD 2003 (UNAUDITED)
American Eagle (including Executive):
RPM: 7,346,852
ASM: 4,823,895
Load Factor: 63.9%

ExpressJet:
RPM: 8,425,000
ASM: 5,769,000
Load Factor: 68%

[Edited 2004-03-07 03:34:02]


"It's not the size of the dog in the fight, but the size of the fight in the dog"
User currently offlineAAJAXFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 15 hours ago) and read 4719 times:

Well.... I guess numbers don't lie and I was right after all. This information was taken directly from both airlines Febuary traffic results. If you remove Executive Airlines results, the differance was even greater.

Congratulations. I'm glad the thread has gone this far off topic.

To the original question:
It's unfortunate that Eagle has not received the American Connection flying out of St. Louis (at least the regional jet routes). Curious if the AA Connection carriers are on a fee-per-departure pay basis.

A side note, the telephone dial-in interface refers to Executive flights as "American Connection, Operated by Executive Airlines."


User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 22, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4693 times:

AAJAX, Agreed....., back to the topic of the Thread...

As you said above, it's a shame a lot of the flying has gone over to Connection. If we where factor in those numbers as Eagle to the results above, those numbers would lean sharply towards Eagle.....Though.......most all of the Trans States- American Connecton EMB-145 aircraft did come from American Eagle, and I think Eagle has just sub-leased them over to TSA.



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User currently offlineTheGreatChecko From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 1128 posts, RR: 2
Reply 23, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4675 times:

To add to above:

Trans States also has a few new EMB-145's in their fleet as well as some "lightly" used ones from Swiss. I use the term "lightly" because the 145's from Eagle are really beat up. You can tell them apart almost immediately because the interiors are in much better shape on the ex-Swiss aircraft and I believe the ex-Swiss a/c also still have curtains installed near the galley. Also, If you really look hard, some of the drawers in the galley still have "Swiss International Airlines" on them.

GreatChecko



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User currently offlineAAJAXFlyer From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 4670 times:

Yes, ten of them did come from Eagle... and having ridden on many of them as Waterski, they haven't been taken care of since the handover... ripped seats, generally filthy, crooked tail paint, and you can still read "Eagle" on the fuselage under the white paint. Some new deliveries flew for TW Express (such as N801, 802, etc) but I'm unsure if they ended up in AA Connection colors.... seems just the ex-Eagle ships (from N815 on, I believe) are flying out of STL now.

I believe I also read that the ex-Swiss aircraft don't have thrust reversers.

[Edited 2004-03-07 04:06:06]

25 Post contains images TheGreatChecko : AAJAXFlyer, you are correct. The ex-Swiss a/c don't have thrust reversers. I was told that is the norm for many of the aircraft used in Europe. Can an
26 EMBQA : Checko- I would think so. TSA has only had these aircraft for about 7 months and when they got them, they still had pretty low hours. One cool thing t
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