Horus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 62 Reply 1, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 2 days ago) and read 5243 times:
I remember reading that they were going to route the flight via Madrid. The Spanish authorities were going to them 5th freedom rights on the route (non direct links between Madrid and Beijing).
Will Varig have 5th freedom rights between MUN-PEK? Lufthansa already operate 3x weekly A340 flights while China Eastern operates 2x weekly A340 flights.
Horus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 62 Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4982 times:
Weren't Aerolineas Argentinas going to launch flights to Beijing. There has been so much about why their first Asian destination was going to be Beijing rather than the 'traditional' destinations of Tokyo and Hong Kong. Some people said that was because the South American-Hong Kong/Tokyo markets were already saturated. Now out of nowhere Varig have decided to launch flights there, so how will this effect Aerolineas's Beijing plans?
EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7170 posts, RR: 45 Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4856 times:
AR's flights to PEK from EZE are a reality. I don't know if AR is already doing the route or if it will start in a matter of weeks, but the flight is a certain thing.
About RG, a possible flight to PEK was mentioned here in a.net around the time that AR made its announcement. It was an expected move. Traffic between Brazil and China is expected to grow at a strong rate in the coming years (including a lot of business passengers), so RG wanted to take the advantage.
TBCITDG From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 921 posts, RR: 3 Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4814 times:
Aerolineas will operate the flight to Beijing via MAD. This flight ws in "colaboration" with the Argentine President Kirchner, who wanted stronger ties between Argentina and China.
They are due to operate these flights sometime in the middle of this year.
Flymunich From Germany, joined Mar 2004, 171 posts, RR: 0 Reply 10, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 4409 times:
Brazilian airline initiates flights to China
BRASILIA, March 20 (AFP) - Brazil's Varig airlines will begin flights to China in August, the airline said in a statement.
The airline plans to open an office in Beijing Monday to accommodate passengers who wish to travel on the 25-hour flights, which will be routed through Munich, Varig said Friday.
Nethkt From Thailand, joined Apr 2001, 985 posts, RR: 3 Reply 13, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4254 times:
I am happy Varing is coming again around BKK. It makes me easy to go and visit my boyfriend in Sao Paulo. I think there will not be many pax. ID travel rules again!!
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Spike From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1170 posts, RR: 6 Reply 16, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4175 times:
At 25 hours, does that make the Varig flight the longest direct service in the world? Is Brazil on China's approved destination status (ADS) list? New airlines serving China so far this year:
Aerolenas Argentinas
Air France (new service to Guangzhou)
Air India
Emirates
Kenya Airways
Lufhansa (new service to Guangzhou)
Singapore Airlines (new service to Shenzhen)
Varig
I'm sure there are some more... anyone else got any info?
SailorOrion From Germany, joined Feb 2001, 2058 posts, RR: 6 Reply 17, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4172 times:
Well, RG is flying 4/7 and LH is flying 3/7, it seems they will add up to a daily MUC-PEK flight, and RG will (probably) codeshare with CA (and LH of course) on that route.
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 58 Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4169 times:
I guess that FOR POLITICAL REASONS, the Brazilan government is encouraging RG to open up this route; a direct flight is required (no code-shares here) and the presence of a Brazilian aircraft in China is important as the flight itself......I have no idea if there is demand for the service, but I would guess that there will be enough freight traffic and premium class business traffic to help keep costs under control.
I think that it is an interesting move using MUNICH as a transit stop....I assume that with LH and RG being STAR partners, some type of code share can be worked out that will keep the SaoPaolo-Munich fully booked, and help attract extra pax load on the Munich-Beijing segment.
SailorOrion From Germany, joined Feb 2001, 2058 posts, RR: 6 Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4117 times:
I don't know whether it is the longest flight, but definitely one of the longest, and with 9491nm is pretty far out of the range of even the 777-200LR. Interesting side-effect: a theoretical nonstop would be 9491nm as well, so this stopover in MUC is not really a detour.
But there is (or was?) RG's GRU-LAX-NRT flight at 10078nm (or 9984 direct), and
Aerolineas plan EZE-MAD-PEK as well standing at 10415nm (or 10413 direct).
An interesting question remains: Would the market be there for a plane with a truly "global range", that can connect these city pairs? With winds and anything there'd be need for around 11200-11500nm range, does that make sense?
In my opinion the next step of evolution after the A340-500/777-200LR would be something that can fly LHR-SYD nonstop (9200nm, still air distance somewhere near 10000nm), but a plane of more or less one market?
MIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 862 posts, RR: 1 Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3998 times:
About the distance. This aircraft could do this flight. According to http://gc.kls2.com/ GRU-PEK is 10921 mi. While GRU-MUC-PEK is 10922 miles with GRU-MUC being 6112 and MUC-PEK being 4810 mi. They could fly it with a 772. What is so funny about this is that the most profitable airline in S.A. has no further plans for expansion (atleast announced or rumoured). I wish we could see more LanChile around the world.
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Mrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR: Reply 24, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3959 times:
China Eastern suspend flights to Munich 6.1.04!!!
Why? Too less demand on MUC-PEK??
25 AF022: maybe lanchile is profitable because they are not obsessed with dots on a map. varig loves the idea of expansion to glamourous destinations, but there
26 Philaboy: What about JAL flight 048. It does NRT-JFK-GRU does it not. That route stands at 11489 miles. That is a long flight no doubt that does a Asia-South Am
27 Lan_Fanatic: I don't know much about the topic, so I ask...why do airlines have to launch flights to certain destinations as a way to strength the ties between som
28 SailorOrion: AF022: MUC-PVG is served by LH on a daily bases, from June with A340-600. RG could put the GRU-MUC sector as such that passengers have connection poss
29 EddieDude: I would tend to think that PVG is a more attractive destination than PEK for any airline considering flights to China too; however, I do not think tha
30 Jj: Lan Fanatic: While AR is privately owned, it must get along with the government if it wants to obtain international traffic rights. The relationship b
31 Flymunich: BEIJING (Dow Jones)--China and Brazil's deepening trade ties have prompted the South American country's national carrier to launch a flight link betwe
32 LatinAviation: Do you have a link for this article, Flymunich?
33 LatinAviation: Here's a link to an interview about the new route: http://sg.biz.yahoo.com/040322/15/3iy24.html
34 Flymunich: Days and times new RG-Flights: ops 1.3.5.7 GIG 2100 GRU 2200-2300 MUC 1430-1600 PEK 0920 ops .23.5.7 PEK 1355 MUC 1900-2030 GRU 0500-0550 GIG 0650
35 Neo: Are the schedules already available for this new route??? I can't find it... How did you get the frequencies and times? Rgs Neo
36 Mozart: The MUC arrivals and departures are at two of MUC's peak departure times, so this will make connections easy.
37 SwissBrazil: any news on this? is it confirmed?
38 TBCITDG: Lan Fanatic One can never run a good business model (not only airlines) if you do not have the backing o the Govement. What would happen if LAN was 'a
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