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Varig Announce GRU-MUC-PEK  
User currently offlineFlymunich From Germany, joined Mar 2004, 171 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 6295 times:

Varig announce new Route GRU-MUC-PEK 4/7 with B777-200 from Aug 04.

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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 1, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6137 times:


I remember reading that they were going to route the flight via Madrid. The Spanish authorities were going to them 5th freedom rights on the route (non direct links between Madrid and Beijing).

Will Varig have 5th freedom rights between MUN-PEK? Lufthansa already operate 3x weekly A340 flights while China Eastern operates 2x weekly A340 flights.



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User currently offlineFlymunich From Germany, joined Mar 2004, 171 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 6110 times:

China Eastern suspend flights to Munich 6.1.04!!!

Varig has traffic rights between Germany and China.


User currently offlineDellatorre From Brazil, joined May 2000, 1088 posts, RR: 2
Reply 3, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 6024 times:

sources please??? I haven't heard anything about it! I dont think RG is going to CHINA! The new 777s are already assigned for JFK!

stop the gossip!!


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 6019 times:

The new 777s are already assigned for JFK!

The new 777s couldnt make this flight anyways  Big grin


User currently offlineLan707 From Germany, joined Nov 2003, 111 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5912 times:

What I heard itis not confirmed yet , at the moment they can take only up to 60 local Pax ex Muc which in my opinon it´s not sufficient to run it .

Let´s see


User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 13 hours ago) and read 5876 times:


Weren't Aerolineas Argentinas going to launch flights to Beijing. There has been so much about why their first Asian destination was going to be Beijing rather than the 'traditional' destinations of Tokyo and Hong Kong. Some people said that was because the South American-Hong Kong/Tokyo markets were already saturated. Now out of nowhere Varig have decided to launch flights there, so how will this effect Aerolineas's Beijing plans?



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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7569 posts, RR: 43
Reply 7, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 5750 times:

AR's flights to PEK from EZE are a reality. I don't know if AR is already doing the route or if it will start in a matter of weeks, but the flight is a certain thing.

About RG, a possible flight to PEK was mentioned here in a.net around the time that AR made its announcement. It was an expected move. Traffic between Brazil and China is expected to grow at a strong rate in the coming years (including a lot of business passengers), so RG wanted to take the advantage.

I hope RG will be successful.



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User currently offlineTBCITDG From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 921 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 5708 times:

Aerolineas will operate the flight to Beijing via MAD. This flight ws in "colaboration" with the Argentine President Kirchner, who wanted stronger ties between Argentina and China.
They are due to operate these flights sometime in the middle of this year.


User currently offlineRicardomexico From Mexico, joined Nov 2002, 109 posts, RR: 2
Reply 9, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 5 days 4 hours ago) and read 5628 times:

I just red in a Brazilian aviation magazine that Aerolineas Argentinas will start flying to China in June 2004 with a B747-400.


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User currently offlineFlymunich From Germany, joined Mar 2004, 171 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 5 months 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 5303 times:

Brazilian airline initiates flights to China
BRASILIA, March 20 (AFP) - Brazil's Varig airlines will begin flights to China in August, the airline said in a statement.

The airline plans to open an office in Beijing Monday to accommodate passengers who wish to travel on the 25-hour flights, which will be routed through Munich, Varig said Friday.


User currently offlineScf158 From Switzerland, joined Dec 2003, 413 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 5 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5162 times:

What does LH feel about the MUC-PEK route? Will they couldshare? Isnt this a little unlogical, or does LH not serve china from MUC?

User currently offlineFlymunich From Germany, joined Mar 2004, 171 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 5 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5150 times:

@ Scf158

LH 7/7 MUC-PVG-CAN with A343 (later daily A340-600)
LH 3/7 MUC-HKG with A343
LH 3/7 MUC-PEK with A343

All flight year around service from Summer-timetable 2004:



User currently offlineNethkt From Thailand, joined Apr 2001, 1079 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (10 years 5 months 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 5148 times:

I am happy Varing is coming again around BKK. It makes me easy to go and visit my boyfriend in Sao Paulo. I think there will not be many pax. ID travel rules again!!  Smile


Let's just blame it on yields.
User currently offlineRafabozzolla From Brazil, joined Apr 2000, 1225 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 5 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5097 times:

I think it's good news. But actually, wouldn't it be easier and less risky for RG to have flights to MUC that connected to LH's Asian services?

User currently offlineNeo From Brazil, joined Jan 2001, 672 posts, RR: 6
Reply 15, posted (10 years 5 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5066 times:

This is not official. We will have to wait for RG confirmation. Up untill now, nothing has been stated in the brazilian press!

Rgs.

Neo


User currently offlineSpike From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1170 posts, RR: 5
Reply 16, posted (10 years 5 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5069 times:

At 25 hours, does that make the Varig flight the longest direct service in the world? Is Brazil on China's approved destination status (ADS) list? New airlines serving China so far this year:

Aerolenas Argentinas
Air France (new service to Guangzhou)
Air India
Emirates
Kenya Airways
Lufhansa (new service to Guangzhou)
Singapore Airlines (new service to Shenzhen)
Varig

I'm sure there are some more... anyone else got any info?


User currently offlineSailorOrion From Germany, joined Feb 2001, 2058 posts, RR: 6
Reply 17, posted (10 years 5 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5066 times:

Well, RG is flying 4/7 and LH is flying 3/7, it seems they will add up to a daily MUC-PEK flight, and RG will (probably) codeshare with CA (and LH of course) on that route.

SailorOrion


User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 18, posted (10 years 5 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5063 times:

I guess that FOR POLITICAL REASONS, the Brazilan government is encouraging RG to open up this route; a direct flight is required (no code-shares here) and the presence of a Brazilian aircraft in China is important as the flight itself......I have no idea if there is demand for the service, but I would guess that there will be enough freight traffic and premium class business traffic to help keep costs under control.

I think that it is an interesting move using MUNICH as a transit stop....I assume that with LH and RG being STAR partners, some type of code share can be worked out that will keep the SaoPaolo-Munich fully booked, and help attract extra pax load on the Munich-Beijing segment.


User currently offlineSpike From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1170 posts, RR: 5
Reply 19, posted (10 years 5 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5038 times:

I'll certainly use Beijing - Europe with Varig on my next flight back. That sounds superb! Smart move RG.

User currently offlineSailorOrion From Germany, joined Feb 2001, 2058 posts, RR: 6
Reply 20, posted (10 years 5 months 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5011 times:

I don't know whether it is the longest flight, but definitely one of the longest, and with 9491nm is pretty far out of the range of even the 777-200LR. Interesting side-effect: a theoretical nonstop would be 9491nm as well, so this stopover in MUC is not really a detour.

But there is (or was?) RG's GRU-LAX-NRT flight at 10078nm (or 9984 direct), and
Aerolineas plan EZE-MAD-PEK as well standing at 10415nm (or 10413 direct).

An interesting question remains: Would the market be there for a plane with a truly "global range", that can connect these city pairs? With winds and anything there'd be need for around 11200-11500nm range, does that make sense?

In my opinion the next step of evolution after the A340-500/777-200LR would be something that can fly LHR-SYD nonstop (9200nm, still air distance somewhere near 10000nm), but a plane of more or less one market?

SailorOrion


User currently offlineSpike From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1170 posts, RR: 5
Reply 21, posted (10 years 5 months 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 4987 times:

I think LHR-SYD has long been the plane makers goal. It seems very elusive though, but didn't a trial A340 do it? SYD-NYC would be further I guess.

User currently onlineLJ From Netherlands, joined Nov 1999, 4418 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 5 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4920 times:

At 25 hours, does that make the Varig flight the longest direct service in the world?

No, that title is still going to NZ001 (which takes 26 hours eastbound and is 1000 miles longer).

LHR-LAX-AKL = 11950 miles
GRU-MUC-PEK = 10910 miles


User currently offlineMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 871 posts, RR: 1
Reply 23, posted (10 years 5 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4892 times:

About the distance. This aircraft could do this flight. According to http://gc.kls2.com/ GRU-PEK is 10921 mi. While GRU-MUC-PEK is 10922 miles with GRU-MUC being 6112 and MUC-PEK being 4810 mi. They could fly it with a 772. What is so funny about this is that the most profitable airline in S.A. has no further plans for expansion (atleast announced or rumoured). I wish we could see more LanChile around the world.


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User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 5 months 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4853 times:

China Eastern suspend flights to Munich 6.1.04!!!

Why? Too less demand on MUC-PEK??


25 AF022 : maybe lanchile is profitable because they are not obsessed with dots on a map. varig loves the idea of expansion to glamourous destinations, but there
26 Philaboy : What about JAL flight 048. It does NRT-JFK-GRU does it not. That route stands at 11489 miles. That is a long flight no doubt that does a Asia-South Am
27 Lan_Fanatic : I don't know much about the topic, so I ask...why do airlines have to launch flights to certain destinations as a way to strength the ties between som
28 SailorOrion : AF022: MUC-PVG is served by LH on a daily bases, from June with A340-600. RG could put the GRU-MUC sector as such that passengers have connection poss
29 EddieDude : I would tend to think that PVG is a more attractive destination than PEK for any airline considering flights to China too; however, I do not think tha
30 Jj : Lan Fanatic: While AR is privately owned, it must get along with the government if it wants to obtain international traffic rights. The relationship b
31 Flymunich : BEIJING (Dow Jones)--China and Brazil's deepening trade ties have prompted the South American country's national carrier to launch a flight link betwe
32 LatinAviation : Do you have a link for this article, Flymunich?
33 Post contains links LatinAviation : Here's a link to an interview about the new route: http://sg.biz.yahoo.com/040322/15/3iy24.html
34 Flymunich : Days and times new RG-Flights: ops 1.3.5.7 GIG 2100 GRU 2200-2300 MUC 1430-1600 PEK 0920 ops .23.5.7 PEK 1355 MUC 1900-2030 GRU 0500-0550 GIG 0650
35 Neo : Are the schedules already available for this new route??? I can't find it... How did you get the frequencies and times? Rgs Neo
36 Mozart : The MUC arrivals and departures are at two of MUC's peak departure times, so this will make connections easy.
37 SwissBrazil : any news on this? is it confirmed?
38 TBCITDG : Lan Fanatic One can never run a good business model (not only airlines) if you do not have the backing o the Govement. What would happen if LAN was 'a
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