Horus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 62 Reply 6, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 21 hours ago) and read 4982 times:
Weren't Aerolineas Argentinas going to launch flights to Beijing. There has been so much about why their first Asian destination was going to be Beijing rather than the 'traditional' destinations of Tokyo and Hong Kong. Some people said that was because the South American-Hong Kong/Tokyo markets were already saturated. Now out of nowhere Varig have decided to launch flights there, so how will this effect Aerolineas's Beijing plans?
EddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7170 posts, RR: 45 Reply 7, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 4856 times:
AR's flights to PEK from EZE are a reality. I don't know if AR is already doing the route or if it will start in a matter of weeks, but the flight is a certain thing.
About RG, a possible flight to PEK was mentioned here in a.net around the time that AR made its announcement. It was an expected move. Traffic between Brazil and China is expected to grow at a strong rate in the coming years (including a lot of business passengers), so RG wanted to take the advantage.
TBCITDG From Australia, joined Jan 2004, 921 posts, RR: 3 Reply 8, posted (9 years 2 months 2 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 4814 times:
Aerolineas will operate the flight to Beijing via MAD. This flight ws in "colaboration" with the Argentine President Kirchner, who wanted stronger ties between Argentina and China.
They are due to operate these flights sometime in the middle of this year.
Dutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 58 Reply 18, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4169 times:
I guess that FOR POLITICAL REASONS, the Brazilan government is encouraging RG to open up this route; a direct flight is required (no code-shares here) and the presence of a Brazilian aircraft in China is important as the flight itself......I have no idea if there is demand for the service, but I would guess that there will be enough freight traffic and premium class business traffic to help keep costs under control.
I think that it is an interesting move using MUNICH as a transit stop....I assume that with LH and RG being STAR partners, some type of code share can be worked out that will keep the SaoPaolo-Munich fully booked, and help attract extra pax load on the Munich-Beijing segment.
SailorOrion From Germany, joined Feb 2001, 2058 posts, RR: 6 Reply 20, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4117 times:
I don't know whether it is the longest flight, but definitely one of the longest, and with 9491nm is pretty far out of the range of even the 777-200LR. Interesting side-effect: a theoretical nonstop would be 9491nm as well, so this stopover in MUC is not really a detour.
But there is (or was?) RG's GRU-LAX-NRT flight at 10078nm (or 9984 direct), and
Aerolineas plan EZE-MAD-PEK as well standing at 10415nm (or 10413 direct).
An interesting question remains: Would the market be there for a plane with a truly "global range", that can connect these city pairs? With winds and anything there'd be need for around 11200-11500nm range, does that make sense?
In my opinion the next step of evolution after the A340-500/777-200LR would be something that can fly LHR-SYD nonstop (9200nm, still air distance somewhere near 10000nm), but a plane of more or less one market?
MIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 862 posts, RR: 1 Reply 23, posted (9 years 2 months 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 3998 times:
About the distance. This aircraft could do this flight. According to http://gc.kls2.com/ GRU-PEK is 10921 mi. While GRU-MUC-PEK is 10922 miles with GRU-MUC being 6112 and MUC-PEK being 4810 mi. They could fly it with a 772. What is so funny about this is that the most profitable airline in S.A. has no further plans for expansion (atleast announced or rumoured). I wish we could see more LanChile around the world.
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