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NWA/UAL/Delta/AA International Services Out Of LAX  
User currently offlineTrijetfan1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1128 posts, RR: 7
Posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 5036 times:
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What are the international services out of LAX and SFO from UAL DL AA and NWA?


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User currently offlineAs739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6098 posts, RR: 23
Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4994 times:

SFO-NW: NRT
SFO-UA: (let see if I can get them all) Mexico City,London,Paris,Frankurt,Tokyo,Osaka,Seoul,Shanghai,Beijing (coming soon),Sydney,and Hong Kong...I may have missed 1 or 2

ASSFO



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User currently offlineTrijetfan1 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 1128 posts, RR: 7
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4967 times:
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Why does NWA offer NRT service out of SFO?


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User currently offlineSW733 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 6304 posts, RR: 9
Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4939 times:

I guess because they figure it makes money. I'm not sure what the load factor is on it, but considering they do it with a DC-10, I assume they get enough to fill it but not enough to bump it up to a 747. I guess whatever route makes business, right?!?!  Smile

User currently offlineAs739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6098 posts, RR: 23
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4939 times:

NWA has served Narita for as long as I can remember. Why not? They are a major to Asia and San Francisco has an huge Japanese population only behind the LA area. NWA does NRT and KIX from LA and SEA on the west coast.
To add what I have above for UAL..Through codeshare they also serve from SFO Munich (LH) daily, Frankfurt (LH) daily, Seoul (OZ) 4 weekly, Seoul (SQ) daily, Hong Kong (SQ) daily, Auckland (NZ as of June 30) 3 weekly. They had much more Mexico with the Mexican coseshare till they bailed on STAR.

ASSFO



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User currently offlineAs739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6098 posts, RR: 23
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4865 times:

Now my stab at LAX service...
DAL: NIL
AMR: London, Los Cabos, they just annouced Honduras
NWA: Tokyo,Osaka
UAL: Sydney,Tokyo,London,Mexico City,Guatamala City
I'm sure I am missing some..

ASSFO



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User currently offlineEddieDude From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 7561 posts, RR: 43
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4832 times:

DL flies to MEX from LAX. And I am not sure, but probably to GdL too.

I would also think that UA, DL and AA have other flights to Mexican beach cities from LAX.



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User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 4806 times:

DL was flies out of LAX to NRT, KIX and after about with KE codeshare was suspended with DL to SEL before and did not come back with their Delta flight.

User currently onlineSESGDL From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3466 posts, RR: 10
Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4776 times:

DL serves MEX and DL), Mexico">GDL from LAX internationally.

Jeremy


User currently offlineUALAX From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4733 times:

AA-Los Cabos, San Salvador (announced), London, Tokyo (starting next month) and Toronto

UA: London, Tokyo, Sydney, Mexico City, Guatemala City, San Salvador

DL: Guadalajara, Mexico City

NW: Tokyo (I think they cancelled Osaka, but not sure)


User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4684 times:

NWA has served Narita for as long as I can remember. Why not? They are a major to Asia and San Francisco has an huge Japanese population only behind the LA area. NWA does NRT and KIX from LA and SEA on the west coast.

Show of hands: who here thinks that the SFO-NRT nonstop is profitable because Japanese-American families are flying home to visit relatives on the holidays?

OK, another show of hands, who here thinks that the SFO-NRT nonstop is profitable because it carries business travelers?



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User currently offlineAaway From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1521 posts, RR: 14
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4680 times:

As739x,
Sorry my NorCal friend, NW dropped LAX-KIX in early 2001.

[Edited 2004-03-09 01:22:43]


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User currently offlineJetjack74 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 7405 posts, RR: 50
Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4653 times:
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NW, LAX-NRT only. KIX was cancelled in '01. It's not international, but LAX-HNL will be returning shortly.


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User currently offlineAs739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6098 posts, RR: 23
Reply 13, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4636 times:

Aaway.....should have looked that one up. Sorry I'm lacking sleep and busy at work. I should have know those DL flights.
Ssides......I'm awake enough to know that NW does have a lot of local traffic that are families. I know a few friends of mine alone that do it. I'm just answering the question. No need to start a debate on why they fly it. Fact is they fly it and there is wide variety of ppl on those flights.
UALAX.....thanx, I should have know San Salvador, by friend use to work that flight all the time so she could see family.
ASSFO



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User currently offlineAaway From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1521 posts, RR: 14
Reply 14, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 4621 times:

Trijetfan1,
A lot folks seem to neglect the strength of NW at the other end - Tokyo Narita. NW probably captures a good amount of feed via Narita for SFO-TYO-SFO service.
Feed notwithstanding, SFO-TYO is an absolutely great point-to-point route, as others have pointed out.



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User currently offlineUALAX From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 15, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4568 times:

ASSFO-No problem

One important carrier missing from this list is Alaska (who serve Canada and Mexico from LAX) Off the top of my head:

Vancouver
Calgary
Guadalajara
Puerto Vallarta
Mazatlan
Los Cabos
Cancun
Ixtapa?

I'm sure I'm missing a bunch

Even though it's not international, AA also serves San Juan

It's pretty interesting, a couple of years ago, UA had a strong lead over other carriers in the number of international destinations served from LAX. With their cutbacks, and AA's expansion its become pretty even.


User currently offlineAs739x From United States of America, joined Apr 2003, 6098 posts, RR: 23
Reply 16, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4527 times:

Yes, UALAX we do fly Ixtapa. You named them all from LAX. Look for the possibility og Oaxca,MX:San Jose,CR: and Belixe City,BZ. All rumors I have heard in the last 6 month. Also I had heard QX filed for Monterey,MX but that was over 1 year ago. Keep ya posted.
ASSFO



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User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 17, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 4497 times:

UA does not fly LAX-CDG. They used to, but dropped it.

ContinentalEWR


User currently offlineUALAX From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4459 times:

ASSFO: Belize City, Oaxaca and Costa Rica sounds awesome. I think Alaska could definitely make a go of those routes, especially with the the feed provided by the AA codeshare. I can imagine it will get awfully crowded in T-3! Thanks!


UALAX


User currently offlineAaway From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1521 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4403 times:

UA had a pretty impressive roster of int'l destinations from LAX at one point:
TYO
KIX
SYD
AA), New Zealand">AKL
MEX
UA / MGGT), Guatemala">GUA
SAL
LHR
CDG
...better stop this. This looks too much like the work of LHR001  Smile/happy/getting dizzy
NW had a nice bevy of int'l to/from LAX in the mid 90s.

As739x,
Congrats to you guys for having the most int'l routes by a domestic carrier at LAX!!! Interesting route rumors for AS LAX - Central America. Looks like the international hotspot for 2004. AA was scheduled to commence LAX - SJO this spring, but was shelved. No rumors, but I suspect AA will cast a futher glance in that direction from LAX before the years out.



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User currently offlineUALAX From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 145 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 4349 times:

AAway-don't forget Melbourne, Vancouver and Hong Kong (I think I got LHR001 beat haha)


UALAX


User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 21, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4239 times:

NW had a nice bevy of int'l to/from LAX in the mid 90s.

I believe they served Tokyo, Osaka and Seoul in the mid-90s... Seoul was dropped in the 1997-1998 timeframe (maybe a little earlier) and Osaka in late 2001 (service was announced to terminate in late October, but didn't not re-inaugurate after 9-11). Sydney was served up to 3x a week in the early 1990s...

Were there any other destinations? I recall TPE being planned at one time...

DL was flies out of LAX to NRT, KIX and after about with KE codeshare was suspended with DL to SEL before and did not come back with their Delta flight.

Scotty, can you please clarify your statement?  Smile DL served NRT and NGO from LAX, but dropped the flights shortly after 9-11... the airline has never served KIX (they scrapped PDX-KIX before the first flight ever departed).



User currently offlineFlyingDoctorWu From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4176 times:

Not SFO or LAX but AA used to fly SJC-TPE and SJC-CDG. I really never knew why, i just know that one time I was at TPE getting ready to board a NW flight to KIX when I noticed that AA had San Jose up on the board- and that really confused me... to this day it still does. I don't know much about that service but apparently it wasn't too popular and was canceled pretty quickly.

Chris


User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4149 times:

FlyingDoctorWu,

AA had a decent-sized hub (inherited from RenoAir) at SJC in the late 1990s...


User currently offlineAaway From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1521 posts, RR: 14
Reply 24, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4126 times:

IP,
Do you recall NW briefly had n/s LAX - MNL during the 1991 - 1993 (Sorry, don't recall exactly) timeframe?



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25 DeltaGuy : DL was flies out of LAX to NRT, KIX and after about with KE codeshare was suspended with DL to SEL before and did not come back with their Delta fligh
26 Post contains images IndustrialPate : Aaway, I’m compiling a listing of dropped NW transoceanic routes from the 1980s/1990s, so this information is greatly appreciated (I had most of the
27 Bobnwa : Northwest never served LAX-MNL non-stop, or any other US city non-stop to MNL.
28 Aaway : Bobnwa, I imagine you're an NWA employee. Of course you'd know more about NWA than I. But I do recall LAX - MNL n/s on NW. Now maybe my timeframe is i
29 Ord : Don't forget the six Mexican cities Delta used to fly to nonstop that they picked up from Western: 1. Mexico City (still flying) 2. Guadalajara (still
30 Warren747sp : NW Used to fly LAX-TPE 3 times a week but could not sustain it with heavy competition from CI, BR, SQ, MH. AA use to fly SJC-TPE but could not fill th
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