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1972 Andes Soccer Team F-27 Crash Info Request  
User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 33
Posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 17476 times:

I'm wondering if anyone knows if there was a crash investigation report created from the October 13, 1972 crash of the Uruguayan Air Force F-27 in the Andes Mountains? It's the same crash that was the basis for the Piers Paul Read book "Alive: the Story of the Andes Survivors", and the somewhat recent movie "Alive".

I've got the book, I've seen the numerous web-sites (among them http://members.aol.com/PorkinsR6/alive.html) that detail the ordeals of the survivors. So that's not where I'm going with this.

I'm more interested in the investigation of the crash itself. The only thing I've found so far is http://aviation-safety.net/database/1972/721013-0.htm. If anybody has any good references for an NTSB-type report, please post them here.

Tom at MSY


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User currently offlineAPP From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2000, 546 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 17394 times:

Can't give you any info, but if it makes any difference, I'm sure it was a Rugby team rather than a Soccer team.
APP.


User currently offlineBoyshane From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 128 posts, RR: 0
Reply 2, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 17313 times:

Hey Tom,

I can give you a lot of info on the crash. I've read the book, seen the movie a thousand times, researched for school reports, visited sites.

Also have a lot of photos saved on my PC of the actually plane. Maybe if you had some more specific questions I could help you out.

-Shane


User currently offlineAccess-Air From United States of America, joined Sep 2000, 1939 posts, RR: 13
Reply 3, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 17 hours ago) and read 17270 times:

Hey Tom,

It was not an F-27.....it was a Fairchild Hiller FH-227D, c/n 572....I have a picture of the actual aircraft a few months before it made its fateful crossing of the Andes..... in the link below from my FH-227 website...
http://fh227.rwy34.com/bigpic.php?id=60
copy and paste that into your browser.
The Uruguayan Air Force actually bought three FH-227Ds and in the next photo, the plane in the middle is the one that crashed....
http://fh227.rwy34.com/bigpic.php?id=62

I hope this helps you....

Access-Air



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User currently offlinePdpsol From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1110 posts, RR: 5
Reply 4, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 17214 times:

guys,

Both Accessair and APP are correct; the aircraft was a FH-227 (american-made F-27) and the team was a RUGBY team, not a soccer team. The boys were students at the Christian Brothers school in Carrasco, Montevideo, Uruguay, a school started by Irish Jesuit priests after WWII. Rugby is VERY popular in Uruguay and in Argentina and both nations sent teams to last year's IRB World Cup in Australia.

The cause of the accident was pilot error. The pilot initiated his descent into SCL before he should have, caught some air pockets, and was unable to climb and avoid the jagged peaks of the Andes.

The survivors totalled 16 out of 42 original passengers/crew and spent October-December in the Andes; NO vegetation/animal life at those altitudes and, obviously the boys resorted to extreme measures (we all know what they were) to stay alive. The idea was that of the 18 year-old medical student, Roberto Canessa (played by Josh Hamilton in the film)- he realized there were no other options.

Two boys, Canessa and 'Nando' Parrado (played by Ethan Hawke in the film) made the arduous journey to climb down from the mountains and find civilization.

Quite a show of human spirit if there ever was one!


User currently offlineLVZXV From Gabon, joined Mar 2004, 2041 posts, RR: 37
Reply 5, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 17109 times:

Tom in NO:

A combination of ADF (Automatic Direction Finder) failure and pilot error were found to be the causes in the 1973 investigation. The co-pilot, DH Lagurara was flying the plane at the time, while the pilot, JC Ferradas, the most experienced in the FAU, was supervising. A simple miscalculation of headwinds (of 30 knots) and the build-up of cloud over the Andes prompted an early descent. As you may know, the plane hadn't even left Argentina, while Lagurara was convinced he'd cleared the Andes. Once below the cloud base, I think only some lightning thinking could have saved the plane. It was an avoidable crash but only in retrospect. The F27 family is quiet, but because those prop blades cannot bite the air above 23,000ft (less than an ATR for example). However, it's a testament to Rolls Royce that those Darts managed to lift most of the plane over that ridge. 16 survivors is better than zero. RIP to the 29 who died.
Anything else?



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User currently offlinePROSA From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 5633 posts, RR: 5
Reply 6, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 17083 times:

I believe it tasted like chicken  Smokin cool


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User currently offlinePdpsol From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1110 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 17057 times:

I should update my original post.

Well over 16 passengers survived the initial crash. However, several died on the mountain over the following weeks in avalanches, etc. Only 16 boys made it out of the mountains alive, the entire crew perished as did several family members accompanying the team.

PDPsol


User currently offlineTano From Argentina, joined Nov 1999, 59 posts, RR: 2
Reply 8, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 3 hours ago) and read 16993 times:

I just come from that place. It´s magnificent!
As LVZXV says, the PF miscalculated the position. He was due to fly at FL180 heading 286º after checking MLG (now VOR but maybe NDB at that time), airway UB684 to reach ANKON fix (roughly over the Plancho Pass), then Curico navaid (I don´t know if at that time it was a VOR or an NDB). Seems that encountered strong headwind, so after only 3 minutes after declaring ANKON he checked Curico. Then Santiago Approach cleared his turn north and descent to FL100. His turn was indeed over Planchon, so his descent was well into the mountains. As they entered clouds and unstable air, they tried to climb. I saw the rock over the top of the mountain where the engine hit. Indeed, the plane cleared the mountain, but that protruding rock took the wing (as seen in the Alive movie). The rest is as the movie shows. The wingless plane slided about 1000 Ft. on the snow covered mountainside to abruptly stop in the middle of a glacier.
With respect to all involved in this story.


User currently offlineAR385 From Mexico, joined Nov 2003, 6148 posts, RR: 31
Reply 9, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 16974 times:
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You may wish to talk to my uncle. He drove some of them, including the pilot, to the airport in Mendoza after their weather stop over. Let me know and I'll get you in touch.


MGGS
User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 33
Reply 10, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 16926 times:

Many thanks to all who have responded thus far! Please keep the info coming.

I greatly appreciate the flight information that was posted above. I was wondering if there was some sort of information on the crash which would have included charts or graphics that contained flight path, locations of NAVAID's involved, latitude/longitude coordinates of the crash site, etc, so that I can better visualize it. Boyshane, if you or any others have that info, I would appreciate it.

The will to survive is a powerful motivation, and the ability to survive for 70-odd days in those rough conditions is a testament not only to that will and to the human spirit, but also to the prior conditioning that they had had with regards to their rugby activities. An incredible saga to say the least.

Tom at MSY





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User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 16855 times:

Yes that was some story, you should buy the book. Great reading. After I finish "Terror at Tenerife" I may read it again.

User currently offlineTano From Argentina, joined Nov 1999, 59 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 16825 times:

Tom in NO,

I have lots of things on that matter, many pictures of the actual place taken on my recent visit, charts, and stuff. I need an email to sent it to you!
Regards,

tano


User currently offlineTom in NO From United States of America, joined Nov 1999, 7194 posts, RR: 33
Reply 13, posted (10 years 4 months 3 weeks 6 days ago) and read 16799 times:

Tano:

tomm@flymsy.com is my email here at work. Thanks much!!!

Tom at MSY



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