Oznznut From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (11 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 17 hours ago) and read 3366 times:
Dont think Ua buying the Pacific rights/assets of PA counts a a merger. But I do feel one of the worst ever mergers was PA/National. PA paid a HUGE chunk of change to get National's routes. Had they just waited a few months, they could have flown anywhere they wanted after deregulation. Just MHO, but I think that merger is one of the basic causes of PA going into history
DeltaMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1672 posts, RR: 16
Reply 9, posted (11 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3205 times:
I think more of Pan Am went to DL then UA. Had DL purchased everything from Pan Am that would have been the largest instead some Pacific ops went to UA, Trans-Atlantic (excluding LHR) went to DL and eventually most of the Caribbean went to AA. DL did not purchase the Caribbean/South American routes due to the instability in the region however five years after that they wished they had.
I would say AA/TWA is the largest, but I am sure DL/Western is up there. What about the Canadian airlines? That is a good question. I think at the time of the merger TWA wasn't as big as Western, but AA was much larger than DL was in 1987.
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EMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (11 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3187 times:
Pan Am never merged with anyone. They where already out of business when UAL and DAL picked up their assets. As far as an active merger....I'll go with TWA-AA as said above, but I'm guessing Western and Delta was a close one.
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AirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 23
Reply 17, posted (11 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3100 times:
Ahh that explains who go what in the Pan Am liquidation. BTW...isnt Pan Am still around but as an LCC with much smaller aircraft? Sort of like Pan Am II? I know that sounds really stupid to call it that.
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Spark From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (11 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3092 times:
I would be surprised if it wasn't the AA/TWA merger. That combined two of the biggest airlines in the world, however I really don't understand what they got out of it. Much like Reno Air acquisition, AA seems to have junked all the routes.
As far as what it did for the airline, I think NW/Republic merger was the most significant. It really made NWO (at the time) a major domestic US airline. I just wished Republic hadn't had bought Hughes Air Worst. I liked the Banana in the sky.
Isitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 22
Reply 19, posted (11 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 3045 times:
The largest domestic only merger was June 1961 when United bought Capital.
That made UA the largest airline in the USA by FAR over Eastern who was second in routes and equiptment at that time. There was loose talk of an AA-EA merger in 1963 and a Continental-National(the one that merged with Pan Am) about the same time. The C A B (civil aeronautics board) shot them both down because they claimed two prosperous companies cannot merge. Capital was hurting bad when UA came to their rescue. This is early 60's stuff, but quite factual.
safe (your self-acclaimed airline historian)I have grey hair. That means I can make that claim.......LOL.........
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IndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (11 years 4 months 4 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 2925 times:
Texas Air Group purchased Continental and merged it into Texas Air International, but retained the Continental name. Later, Texas Air Group purchased People’s Express (which also owned Frontier) and merged Continental and New York Air (which was began as a wholly-owned subsidy) into People’s Express, but kept the Continental name. Texas Air Group also purchased Eastern, but was never able to merge it into Continental (or vice versa)… however, many of Eastern’s assets were “transferred” to Continental. Many of Frontier’s assets (specifically aircraft) wound up with United.
United and Delta purchased portions of Pan Am’s assets, the airline was never merged into any airline.
American purchased most of TWA’s assets, the airline was not officially merged into American.
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Asking ‘which merger was the largest’ is a broad question. I’m sure there’s a different answer for value (including that adjusted to today’s value). I’m sure it’d be one of the following:
-- National merging into Pan Am
-- Western merging into Delta
-- Republic merging into Northwest
-- Piedmont and PSA merging into US Air
-- Continental and Frontier merging into People’s Express, but retaining the Continental name (even though Texas Air Group purchased People’s Express/Frontier)