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What Airline Merger Was The Largest Ever?  
User currently offlineTrnsWrld From United States of America, joined May 1999, 891 posts, RR: 0
Posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 3019 times:

Basically what the topic says. What is the largest airline merger in world aviation history? Basically what two airlines had the most employees, network system, and fleet that merged together to one.

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User currently offlineSsides From United States of America, joined Feb 2001, 4059 posts, RR: 21
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2976 times:

I would have to say that AA-TWA would be up there.

Of course, once KLM-Air France goes through, that one should take the cake.



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User currently offlineHNLFlyboy From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 321 posts, RR: 2
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2930 times:

Are we forgetting UA and Pan Am? That was a big one for the Pacific routes.

User currently offlineJumboBumbo From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2905 times:

I don't recall, but was US-UA supposed to be a more extensive code share or an out-and-out merger. That would have been the biggest had it gone through.

Imagine what would have happened if it had...


User currently offlineFreshlove1 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2889 times:

Did UA take over all of PA? I thought DL got some of PA and the PA routes to England and other cities, I know that DL got the A310 from PA.

User currently offlineOznznut From United States of America, joined Dec 2003, 153 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2889 times:

Dont think Ua buying the Pacific rights/assets of PA counts a a merger. But I do feel one of the worst ever mergers was PA/National. PA paid a HUGE chunk of change to get National's routes. Had they just waited a few months, they could have flown anywhere they wanted after deregulation. Just MHO, but I think that merger is one of the basic causes of PA going into history
Dave


User currently offlineSunValley From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 2 hours ago) and read 2827 times:

I think it was either the Delta/Western or
the Northwest/Republic


User currently offlineMCIB757 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 280 posts, RR: 1
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2773 times:

I still think its AA-TWA.

Tom



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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2754 times:

I would have to say the big bang of PE, CO, NY the original Frontier and the assets of EA that Frank Lorenzo had sold off or ruined yet.

User currently offlineDeltaMIA From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 1672 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2728 times:

I think more of Pan Am went to DL then UA. Had DL purchased everything from Pan Am that would have been the largest instead some Pacific ops went to UA, Trans-Atlantic (excluding LHR) went to DL and eventually most of the Caribbean went to AA. DL did not purchase the Caribbean/South American routes due to the instability in the region however five years after that they wished they had.

I would say AA/TWA is the largest, but I am sure DL/Western is up there. What about the Canadian airlines? That is a good question. I think at the time of the merger TWA wasn't as big as Western, but AA was much larger than DL was in 1987.



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User currently offlineEMBQA From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 9364 posts, RR: 11
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2710 times:

Pan Am never merged with anyone. They where already out of business when UAL and DAL picked up their assets. As far as an active merger....I'll go with TWA-AA as said above, but I'm guessing Western and Delta was a close one.


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User currently offlineRussophile From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2706 times:

Other large mergers include:

BOAC and BEA to form British Airways

British Airways and British Caledonian -- of course British Airways name survived

QANTAS and Australian Airlines -- QANTAS the remaining airline

JAL and JAS -- Japan Airlines became the remaining airline.



User currently offlineIflyatldl From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1936 posts, RR: 3
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2705 times:

How about the BOAC merger with BEA and I want to say(please correct me if I'm wrong) and British Caledonian?  Smile


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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 25
Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2680 times:

AA/TWA merger is probably the biggest AFTER AA bought out QQ. (Reno Air)

UA bought out Pan Am?? I didnt know that.

[Edited 2004-03-09 03:38:44]


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User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2680 times:

UA/US would have been the largest.

American/TWA was quite large, as was US Air's take over of Piedmont and PSA, which occured one year apart.

Continental's acquisition of PE was also quite large, along with the formation of Texas Air Corp. out of CO/EA/PE/F9.

Texas Air was the world's largest airline holding company until EAL went under in 1991.


User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2668 times:

United purchased Pan Am's Heathrow routes and slots, as well as its route network to Latin America, which included flights from Miami and JFK.

Delta purchased Pan Am's North Atlantic routes.

ContinentalEWR


User currently offlineRussophile From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2646 times:

Other large mergers also include:

Air Canada and Canadian Airlines into Air Canada

And what about Indian Airlines and Vayudoot -- from memory Vayudoot had a staff of something like 25,000 for an airline with only a single aircraft left at the end of its life.


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 25
Reply 17, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2623 times:

Ahh that explains who go what in the Pan Am liquidation. BTW...isnt Pan Am still around but as an LCC with much smaller aircraft? Sort of like Pan Am II? I know that sounds really stupid to call it that.


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User currently offlineSpark From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 431 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days 1 hour ago) and read 2615 times:

I would be surprised if it wasn't the AA/TWA merger. That combined two of the biggest airlines in the world, however I really don't understand what they got out of it. Much like Reno Air acquisition, AA seems to have junked all the routes.

As far as what it did for the airline, I think NW/Republic merger was the most significant. It really made NWO (at the time) a major domestic US airline. I just wished Republic hadn't had bought Hughes Air Worst. I liked the Banana in the sky.


User currently offlineIsitsafenow From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 4984 posts, RR: 24
Reply 19, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days ago) and read 2568 times:

The largest domestic only merger was June 1961 when United bought Capital.
That made UA the largest airline in the USA by FAR over Eastern who was second in routes and equiptment at that time. There was loose talk of an AA-EA merger in 1963 and a Continental-National(the one that merged with Pan Am) about the same time. The C A B (civil aeronautics board) shot them both down because they claimed two prosperous companies cannot merge. Capital was hurting bad when UA came to their rescue. This is early 60's stuff, but quite factual.

safe (your self-acclaimed airline historian)I have grey hair. That means I can make that claim.......LOL.........



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User currently offlineSyncmaster From United States of America, joined Jul 2002, 2015 posts, RR: 11
Reply 20, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days ago) and read 2540 times:
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My guess would be AA/TW, but once KLM/AF goes through....that will probably be it.

AirframeAS, yes! PanAm is still operating like that, check them out at:

http://www.flypanam.com


User currently offlineRoseFlyer From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 9378 posts, RR: 52
Reply 21, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days ago) and read 2539 times:

Well monitarily the largest merger/takeover in Europe was the 913 million (US$) paid. The 11.6 billion $ deal between UA and US would have been the biggest.


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User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 22, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days ago) and read 2491 times:

ContinentalEWR,

You forgot New York Air,

Texas Air Corp. was created well before the merger.

Actually New York Air and Continental were "sister" airlines under the Texas Air umbrella (i am looking at a stock certificate I was awarded in "85).


User currently offlineIndustrialPate From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 6 days ago) and read 2448 times:

Corrections --


Texas Air Group purchased Continental and merged it into Texas Air International, but retained the Continental name. Later, Texas Air Group purchased People’s Express (which also owned Frontier) and merged Continental and New York Air (which was began as a wholly-owned subsidy) into People’s Express, but kept the Continental name. Texas Air Group also purchased Eastern, but was never able to merge it into Continental (or vice versa)… however, many of Eastern’s assets were “transferred” to Continental. Many of Frontier’s assets (specifically aircraft) wound up with United.

United and Delta purchased portions of Pan Am’s assets, the airline was never merged into any airline.

American purchased most of TWA’s assets, the airline was not officially merged into American.

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Asking ‘which merger was the largest’ is a broad question. I’m sure there’s a different answer for value (including that adjusted to today’s value). I’m sure it’d be one of the following:

-- National merging into Pan Am

-- Western merging into Delta

-- Republic merging into Northwest

-- Piedmont and PSA merging into US Air

-- Continental and Frontier merging into People’s Express, but retaining the Continental name (even though Texas Air Group purchased People’s Express/Frontier)


User currently offlineDtwclipper From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 1 month 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2422 times:

industrialpate,

Thank you for articulating all of that so much better than I could have.

DTWClipper


25 Aa757first : From USAirways.com 1989 Piedmont is integrated into USAir, the largest merger in airline history. The merger brings with it Piedmont's international r
26 Post contains images Syncmaster : Thanks for the correction IndustrialPate.
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