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Why Do BA Only Codeshare On LHR-DUB Route?  
User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 22 hours ago) and read 4916 times:


As the heading says, why doesn't British Airways fly its own aircraft on the LHR-DUB route. Currently all flights are code-shared with Aer Lingus, who use A320s and A321s. Aer Lingus operate around 14 daily flight compared to BD who only have 6. So why is BA missing from the route?


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User currently offlineStar_world From Ireland, joined Jun 2001, 1234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 1, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4881 times:

This was one of the reasons behind the concept of oneworld - so that members in the alliance wouldn't have to dedicate resource to routes that one of the other partners would be better suited to. LHR-DUB is one of these, as DUB is EIs main hub. They have dominated this route for many years before oneworld even existed, so it made a lot of sense for them to continue operating it with the BA codeshare.

User currently offlineBa319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8578 posts, RR: 54
Reply 2, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4868 times:
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BA used to fly this route many years ago,you even found L-1011-500's on the route at times!

BA never made money on the route,hence it being dropped.



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User currently offlineCadmus From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2004, 186 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4823 times:

Once upon a time BA, or BEA as it then was, was not allowed to fly the route. The 1946 Anglo-Irish traffic agreement gave Aer Lingus exclusive UK-Eire traffic rights, (with BEA having 40% of Aer Lingus shares at this time). This agreement was revised in 1956 to permit competative services on Dublin-UK routes, and BEA's holding was reduced to 10%.


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User currently offlineEstablished02 From Belgium, joined Jan 2002, 536 posts, RR: 2
Reply 4, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4786 times:

> They have dominated this route for many years before oneworld even existed

How could a relatively small airline like EI come to dominate a route at the expense of a large airline like BEA/BA? DUB was EI's hub indeed, however at the same time LHR was BA's hub!

Are there perhaps other examples of routes where a "David" type airline could oust a "Goliath" type airline?

> BA never made money on the route

Why not? Did EI? What was EI's critical competitive advantage over BA here?

Roughly how much of the EI traffic between DUB and LHR is origin-destination traffic versus connecting traffic?

Thanks

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User currently offlineKl911 From Czech Republic, joined Jul 2003, 5260 posts, RR: 15
Reply 5, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 21 hours ago) and read 4779 times:

What I've heard is that FR has the biggest marketshare on the DUB-LHR/LGW/STN routes.

User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4743 times:

FR only fly the DUB-STN, not to LGW or LHR.


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User currently offlineA3204eva From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 1060 posts, RR: 5
Reply 7, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4732 times:

FR can't afford to fly to LHR because of the landings fees.


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User currently offlineFlyLondon From United Kingdom, joined Feb 2004, 377 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4716 times:

Ryanair do fly DUB-LGW plus they also fly DUB-LTN and DUB-STN

User currently offlineStar_world From Ireland, joined Jun 2001, 1234 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 20 hours ago) and read 4717 times:

Horus - FR do actually fly to LGW from DUB, as well as to LTN.

edit: few seconds too late there!  Smile

[Edited 2004-03-09 22:41:56]

User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 10, posted (10 years 8 months 3 weeks 4 days 19 hours ago) and read 4687 times:

Star_world

Yeah sorry, your right, I was thinking of another route at the time.

Thanks



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