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User currently offlineCOEWRNJ From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1065 posts, RR: 19
Posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2503 times:

Before National Airlines went under they were supposed to start non stop LAS-PBI service. I don't know if the service ever started, but do you think it would have been profitable? It would have been PBI's first connection to the western part of the country.
Do you think HP would ever consider doing a LAS-PBI flight or even a PBI-PHX flight? It would make for very simple connections to the west coast. What does everyone else think?

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User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 16 hours ago) and read 2481 times:

it did not flying to PBI and becuase with National went out of business and did not fly into PBI either. I don't think will able fly from PBI to PHX or LAS with HP anytime soon and they will find out later into the future.

User currently offlinePBIflyguy From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 248 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2441 times:

PBI residents can't wait for some service out west....especially on an LCC. We have legacy service to DFW ( DL, AA) and to CO to IAH.... and that is it. AA dropped PBI-STL after the merger. With FLL one hour south and CO / KMCO), USA - Florida">MCO two hours north , PBI gets overlooked for convenient service to most points west. Only a few years ago we had no LCC service. We had ValueJet, but lost them with the AirTran restructure ( FL is now back recently). Carnival Flew briefly into ISP. We also had NK, but now they are seasonal only. PBI has seen a lot of great activity now that WN, B6 and FL are in the market. Its a great facility and very easy to get to. PBI is undergoing some major roadway expansions to accomodate anticipated traffic. Now if we could only get some options other than DL through ATL !

Service PBI area residents would LOVE to see....

PBI - DEN UA or F9
PBI - LAS HP ,WN or DL ( Song)
PBI - PHX HP or WN
PBI - MKE YX
PBI - MSP NW


User currently offlineJeffie813 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2413 times:
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there is no question that PBI could support the service and that it would be profitable. service to LAS, DEN, and LAX is in the works.

i'm going to paste in an email from the director of airport marketing for PBI that he sent to me regarding this very topic - of special interest are the numbers for traffic growth here in florida - here's the email:


Subject: PBI service
Date: Fri, 27 Feb 2004 09:42:34 -0500
From: "Dick Haller"
To: jeffie813@yahoo.com
CC: bargyle@pbia.org


Your point is well taken. As you may know National Airlines had
scheduled daily nonstop service from PBI to Las Vegas starting in November of
2002 and the advance bookings were very good. Unfortunately National
went out of business three weeks before the service was to start. Since
then we have been working with Song, Jetblue, America West and Spirit to
get one or more of them to give us that service. As for Denver,
Frontier had planned to start service from here this past November but instead
decided to postpone it and use the plane to shore up existing routes in
Denver against United. We are hoping to get it this fall. Delta this
past month started direct, onestop roundtrip service to San Diego which
gives us decent access to southern California. There is no doubt our
proximity to Ft. Lauderdale hurts us sometimes, as they are currently the
fastest growing airport in the country, according to Dept. of
Transportation figures, and airlines seem to feel they can drive traffic from
Palm Beach Co. to FLL, which to a degree they do. We spend a lot of time
with the airlines showing them the demographic changes taking place
here with a migration of population into PBI from the south and the growth
taking place in the three counties to our north, making PBI a distinct
market. This is why Southwest, Airtran and Jetblue came here and are
growing their schedules each year. We will get much of the service you
refer to in the near future as we continue to grow. The airlines are well
aware of PBI's progress as in 2003, for example, PBI led all major
Florida airports in traffic growth vs. 2002 at +9.6% vs. FLL at +5.29%,
Tampa at +0.19%, Orlando at +2.50% and Miami at -1.55%.

Dick Haller
Director Airport Marketing
Palm Beach International Airport
561-233-3000




User currently offlineCOEWRNJ From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1065 posts, RR: 19
Reply 4, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2390 times:

PBI is a great airport but they do need some exciting service as they are definitely lacking it. That being said they can't start service on what would be exciting to us airline nuts. I too, do feel that PBI could support some service of some sort out west. I think a flight to DEN or LAS would do very well. DEN I could see more as a winter seasonal to support the snow birds of CO heading to FL and the people of FL heading to CO to ski.

User currently offlineJeffie813 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 15 hours ago) and read 2368 times:
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Now if we could only get some options other than DL through ATL !

airtran has some pretty good options now through ATL out of PBI and their fares are consistently beating DL's. the problem is scheduling...but if you're flexible, then airtran isn't a bad option by any means.


User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2289 times:

>>>It would have been PBI's first connection to the western part of the country.

I worked at IAH back during National's heydey, and assuming that we're talking about whether PBI-LAS non-stops would have been profitable for National way back then, I think probably so, but I don't think you'd have seen more than frequency than 1 or 2 a day. If memory serves (and it's been 25 years or so) they did have some flights that came from Florida to both MSY and IAH, and connections to LAS non-stops could have been made at either place, so PBI already had a way to LAS without relying on a non-stop.

This reminds me that I've got scads of slides of NAL flights sitting in a box/closet somewhere, and that I need to get them scanned and uploaded...


User currently offlineCOEWRNJ From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 1065 posts, RR: 19
Reply 7, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 2279 times:

The National that I was talking about was the National that went out about two years ago.


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Off topic, but where was the other National based out of?


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33182 posts, RR: 71
Reply 8, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 9 hours ago) and read 2225 times:

Off topic, but where was the other National based out of?

Miami, Florida.



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User currently offlinePBIflyguy From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 248 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 2214 times:

thanks for both posts jeffie.........

glad you agree that PBI could handle a few more airlines.........just realized you were local, so you know what I'm talking about.

re: your comment about Airtran... I actually have used them to do east coast flights... but they don't go where I've needed to be out west.

I'm really hoping F9 and HP ( maybe even Ted) does come in soon.......maybe I'll start a pettition. Remember after EA folded, DL went crazy and raped everyone out of PBI? pissed a lot of people off. If memory serves there was even some newspaper coverage of the gouging. People still have problems with DL to this day. Not sure how closely you follow PBI, but WN did great here right off the start, just like FL did. I'm sure the airlines I mentioned would be welcomed and do well very quickly.

One other factor, with the new convention center up and running, PBI may be more popular to some new carriers.








User currently offlineJeffie813 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 2167 times:
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One other factor, with the new convention center up and running, PBI may be more popular to some new carriers.

you're absolutely right. the only problem is that the crowds that will add to airport traffic due to the convention center won't arrive until we have the convention center hotel. until then, the county has smaller trade shows booked, such as last weekend's art show, which primarily attracts a local crowd.

Not sure how closely you follow PBI, but WN did great here right off the start, just like FL did. I'm sure the airlines I mentioned would be welcomed and do well very quickly.

i've been following PBI's success/progress etc, for so long, i think that it's almost a disease. as you can see, i'm in contact with the marketing employees constantly. i'm at the point where it pisses me off when people that i know fly into FLL instead of PBI or fly out of FLL instead of PBI and thereby decrease support for the airport. it absolutely drives me crazy when people say that fares are cheaper out of FLL. FLL obviously offers more non-stop service, but fares there move around like anywhere else. in february, it was $170 cheaper for me to fly to INN from PBI as opposed to departing from FLL or MIA and that's just one example. with regard to WN's sucess here, the only flights that didn't perform well were their flights to MCO which isn't hard to understand. filling a 737 to a destination that you can drive to in the same amount of time that it takes to fly there is virtually impossible.

i don't know if you remember when it was first announced that national would begin service to LAS, but the public response and fanfare about the service matched the public reaction to the news that jetblue would be adding PBI to their list of destinations. ticket sales were excellent.


User currently offlinePBIflyguy From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 248 posts, RR: 1
Reply 11, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2117 times:

I sure do remember the National launch... I purchased about 10 tickets to fly my staff out for a convention... obviously we had to re-book.

A little off topic, but do you think we'll ever see B6 do PBI-IAD? FLL seems to be working well.



User currently offlineJeffie813 From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 239 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 8 months 2 weeks 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2105 times:
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i don't know if we'll see that out of B6. i think it would be a successful ropute though. i emailed them a few times and i got the standard "we are keeping our eye on all potential markets" response. US does well on PBI-DCA as does WN on PBI-BWI. i'm not sure how well airtran is doing on their PBI-DCA route, but i know that DL pulled their two daily flights to DCA and those were done on CRJ's. it seemed like they were performing well though, so i don't know what happened there.

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