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Fedex 737's Are Going To Happen Soon.  
User currently offlineDc10guy From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 6
Posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6462 times:

I just read the memo. Fedex is taking bids to convert 25 firm 25 option 737/300's & 400's to freighters. They are still talking with Boeing about new 737-900 or 900x freighters. The 757's have been ruled out. ( I wish I could post the article but I might get in trouble) It also said the 727's will be replaced soon....


Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
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User currently offlineOPNLguy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6345 times:

Believe it or not, but that would be their second time with 737s. They actually had a small number of -200s (4, IIRC) back around 1980, but with used 727s so cheap and carrying a bigger load, the 737s didn't last long.

User currently offlineEA CO AS From United States of America, joined Nov 2001, 13765 posts, RR: 61
Reply 2, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 16 hours ago) and read 6331 times:
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If FedEx is successful on doing 733 and 734 freighter/combi conversions, I'm sure AS would love to speak with them - they're in need of replacements for their -200C combis.


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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 3, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6187 times:

No new combis will be certified by the FAA is my guess and the general consensus here.

N


User currently offlineThrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2691 posts, RR: 10
Reply 4, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6059 times:

The 733 and 734...why don't they get some MD-80s? That would certainly be better...they have more cargo capacity than the either of these two. Also, what about DC-9s? Personally, I think FedEx should purchase 757s, both the -200 and the -300.


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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 5, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 6015 times:

What are you talking about? MD-80s, then DC-9s, then 757-200s and -300s? Which is it man?  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

The MD-80 certainly doesn't even have close to the cargo capacity of a 734, and probably not much more than a 733.

The MD-80 has a constrained cabin cross-section that makes it a poor choice for a freighter, and its underpowered compared to the two Boeing airframes. I'm not even sure there is a current STC for an MD-80 freighter.

Obviously, DC-9s are out of the question. They uplift so little payload, and FedEx is retiring relatively new 727s so I doubt they'll get the much older than that DC-9.

The 757-200 can only carry a few more containers than the 734, and at a much higher ton mile cost, and a higher capex outlay.

There are no 757-300s available for purchase anywhere in the world.

N


User currently offlineCO737800 From Canada, joined Dec 2003, 545 posts, RR: 1
Reply 6, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5968 times:

Why would they not want to go with the 757-200. You would think they would go with the 757-200 cause their so many of them.

User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16370 posts, RR: 56
Reply 7, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5964 times:

They actually had a small number of -200s (4, IIRC) back around 1980,

Correct. 4 new builds from Boeing. Bought with the intent of commencing an LCC type pax operation from MDW which Fred Smith did not pursue. The 4 732C's were used on cargo flights for a short time until sold.

No new combis will be certified by the FAA is my guess and the general consensus here.

This could happen with more effective lobbying by Alaska Airlines and the WA Senators. Im confident it will happen in due course.

The 733 and 734...why don't they get some MD-80s?

The 733/734 can use the standard 721/722 container. The M80 cannot.

Personally, I think FedEx should purchase 757s, both the -200 and the -300.

Fedex and Boeing were talking about the 757 before the line was shut down but could not agree on prices. Also, I think the 752 is too close to the A310 and would still leave a big gap with the ATR72. The 733/734 is better positioned. One drawback though w the 733/734 is slower cruise speed.











Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineRockyracoon From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 984 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 15 hours ago) and read 5960 times:

Another draw back of fedex going with md 80s would be the noise restrictions that they would have to correct in the near future.


peace


User currently offlineDfwRevolution From United States of America, joined Jan 2010, 1001 posts, RR: 51
Reply 9, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5894 times:

With the 733/734 being mentioned, why is FedEx not considering new build 737-700C? These have the uprated thrust and stronger wing of the 738, have higher cruise and climb performance, and are more reliable. If FedEx is buying aircraft for long-term growth, these seem to make more sense than converted a 733 or 734.

And ASAIK Boeing hasn't ever mentioned a 737-900XC in public.


User currently offlineYyz717 From Canada, joined Sep 2001, 16370 posts, RR: 56
Reply 10, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5871 times:

With the 733/734 being mentioned, why is FedEx not considering new build 737-700C?

Simple economics. Passenger carriers use their 73G's up to 12 hours a day. The Fedex 721/722 fleet (and hence their replacement) are only used 3-5 hours/day on average. So, using older less reliable aircraft makes sense.





Panam, TWA, Ansett, Eastern.......AC next? Might be good for Canada.
User currently offlineDc10guy From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 6
Reply 11, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 14 hours ago) and read 5783 times:

According to the memo FEDEX is still talking to Boeing about new 737-900's. I would have bought the 757 if it was up to me. But a Southwest style 737 cargo operation would be pretty cool. BTW, Back in 1980 when FEDEX had 4 737's they sold them and their options for a bunch of money.


Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
User currently offlineRockyracoon From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 984 posts, RR: 0
Reply 12, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5623 times:

What's going to happen with all of the poor FE's?






User currently offlineCancidas From Poland, joined Jul 2003, 4112 posts, RR: 11
Reply 13, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5595 times:

they're in need of replacements for their -200C combis.

why do you say that? find me an aircraft of that size that is able to operate off of dirt and gravel strips. there is none, aside from maybe a 721. but see, a 721 has three engines for the 732's two.



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User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 14, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 13 hours ago) and read 5582 times:

If FedEx is successful on doing 733 and 734 freighter/combi conversions, I'm sure AS would love to speak with them - they're in need of replacements for their -200C combis.

AS will never convert a 734 into a freighter or even think about obtaining a 734 freighter version. That would be dream, but it aint gonna ever happen. When I was with AS MX department I heard that AS has considered doing it to replace the -200C's possibly with the -700. AS then decided not to do it because its an MX issue and too much of a risk because most of the -200C's are already gravel kitted. AS also said that the -200C's ARE going to remain in the fleet for many many years to come. They have no plans to phase out the -200C's anytime soon.



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User currently offlineTjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2507 posts, RR: 2
Reply 15, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5338 times:

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User currently offlineFutureCGNPilot From Germany, joined Feb 2004, 32 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 5296 times:

I think TNT already converted a few 733 into freighters, with another 10 or so on option. I think they are quiet happy with its performance.

User currently offlineTjwgrr From United States of America, joined Mar 2000, 2507 posts, RR: 2
Reply 17, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5074 times:

"I think TNT already converted a few 733 into freighters, with another 10 or so on option. I think they are quiet happy with its performance."

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User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 27
Reply 18, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day 1 hour ago) and read 5020 times:

Did/Will FedEx not consider any A32X a/c?

Also, as someone mentioned above, what about FedEx's FEs? Will they be trained as FOs for the newer a/c?

Good to see that some 733s and 734s will have an extended lease on life.



Ding! You are now free to keep supporting Frontier.
User currently offlineDeltaGuy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4948 times:

There are no 757-300s available for purchase anywhere in the world.
Uhhh, what about Boeing itself? I understand that negotiations for newbuilds didn't go over toooo well, but the 757 would have been a nice pick...abiet close to the A310's uses...

what about FedEx's FEs? Will they be trained as FOs for the newer a/c?
Yep, FedEx FE's aren't Professional FE's (i.e. only Flight Engineers)..they're pilots, hired onto the FE seat for their newhire...so they'll just go to whatever seat/ac that their senority can hold...don't worry, no furloughs  Smile

Can't wait to see it in Purple and White! Will these 733/734's be ones pulled outta Mojave, i.e. USAirways? Will be nice to see them cut the sky once again..

DeltaGuy  Smile


User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 859 posts, RR: 2
Reply 20, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4931 times:

I rest my case!!!


Michael//SE



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User currently offlineMeister808 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 973 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4902 times:

Very nice. Can't wait to see 'em smoking the mains at GFK.

-Meister



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User currently offlineGigneil From United States of America, joined Nov 2002, 16347 posts, RR: 85
Reply 22, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 1 day ago) and read 4867 times:

Did/Will FedEx not consider any A32X a/c?

Well, here's the thing. Other Neil explained it, but I'll add additional detail.

EADS was planning to complete an STC for the 320F/321F this year, pending demand.

The problem is that 320/321s are the current generation of aircraft, they compete with the 737-800/-900. There aren't many parked, and the ones that are parked find good homes right away.

FedEx would want these by the hundred, so to accomodate that requirement, they'd have to buy them factory fresh from Airbus (probably green, then have them modified at EADS).

This would be good in the way new 737-700 freighters would be. They'd be modern, extremely reliable, more fuel efficient.

This wouldn't have the same economics as buying older used planes that are in low demand, even less reliable ones. The task of the domestic freight hauler is very different than the task of the domestic passenger carrier.

I think the stillborn acceptance of the 320 in FedEx's fleet will be of necessity. FedEx wants to start replacing the 721/722 now, and can't really afford to do it with brand new freighters. Therefore if they do need to widely expand capacity in the future with new build freighters, after the introduction of the 733/734, they'll do it with the 73G, 738, or 739.

N


User currently offlineDc10guy From United States of America, joined Feb 2000, 2685 posts, RR: 6
Reply 23, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4586 times:

More 737 news, One of the reasons FEDEX is going to buy the 737-300/400 is because they can buy "a" airlines whole fleet. Skipping the mis-match fleet problems like we have with the 727's ie some ex Braniff's some ex-Air Canada etc. etc. So the question now is what airline is going to sell all their 737's ??? USairways would be the best guess. UA ? CO ? WN ? AS ?


Next time try the old "dirty Sanchez" She'll love it !!!
User currently offlineDIA From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 3273 posts, RR: 27
Reply 24, posted (10 years 9 months 3 weeks 19 hours ago) and read 4546 times:

USAirways is a good guess. I'd also add in SWA as a possibility.

*Thanks for the detailed answer Neil.



Ding! You are now free to keep supporting Frontier.
25 Rydawg82 : "AS also said that the -200C's ARE going to remain in the fleet for many many years to come. They have no plans to phase out the -200C's anytime soon.
26 L-188 : No new combis will be certified by the FAA is my guess and the general consensus here. This could happen with more effective lobbying by Alaska Airlin
27 Yyz717 : So the question now is what airline is going to sell all their 737's ??? USairways would be the best guess. UA ? CO ? WN ? AS ? US is the best option
28 SQ25J : I thought FDX would opt for 757, but it makes sense to bildup a fleet of 737-400/500's and then opt for larger+new -900's in the future. I am very sur
29 Korg747 : If possible...can some one provied us with what versions of the 727 does Fedex Operate now and what's their range? thanks alot.
30 Dc10guy : Korg747, It would most likely be easier to list the 727 versions FEDEX don't operate. Our Valsan converted 727-200's have the best MPG. But our ex-AC
31 FDXmech : Dc10guy, I heard rumors the 737-400's are from Malaysian Airlines.
32 AirframeAS : Just trust me, AS is not getting any 733, 734 or 73G combis. They are not interested at this time. The 737-200Cs are here to stay. Cant say that any b
33 Rydawg82 : I agree about the 733,734, 73G combis to a certain extent. The combis are here to stay??? Hmm...Can you explain then why 743, 744, and 746 will be par
34 As739x : AirframeAS is correct that we are keeping our 737-200V. We are though in fact retiring 2 of them this year. This was due to the change of service in D
35 Rydawg82 : Just heard 746 leaves us in two days (March 13). 743, 744 will go sometime soon. 745 would be nice to see gone, but I think we are stuck with her. J w
36 Gigneil : Uhhh, what about Boeing itself? I understand that negotiations for newbuilds didn't go over toooo well, but the 757 would have been a nice pick...abie
37 Sllevin : FedEx going to the 734 isn't surprising -- it's a good 727 replacement, and with the number of available airframes, new builds don't make as much sens
38 Post contains images Russophile : why do you say that? find me an aircraft of that size that is able to operate off of dirt and gravel strips. there is none, aside from maybe a 721. bu
39 L-188 : But the fact they aren't certified in the US is a killer. Which is too bad, I think I could make some money up here with a couple of AN-74 freighters.
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