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Aer Lingus Looks At MIA, DFW, SFO, PHL, Asia/Aust.  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5375 times:

From the Irish Examiner...


Aer Lingus net profit soars to €69.2m

By Ian Guider
AER LINGUS saw its net profits nearly double last year as further cost cuts and a 6% rise in passenger traffic moved earnings higher.

The State-owned carrier said its net profit last year was up 96% to €69.2 million. At operating level, profits were up 30% to €83m, ahead of the €75m target for the year.

According to the airline's chief executive Willie Walsh the profit was achieved due to a sharp fall in its cost base, with €89m in costs stripped out during 2003 and €344m since the airline was restructured in the wake of the September 11 attacks.

"The financial performance last year was very strong and when you consider the environment for us, it is pleasing to have exceeded our target and get an operating margin of over 9%. We made very significant progress in financial terms but there is still more we have to do," Mr Walsh said.

Turnover for the year dropped by 7.3% to €888.3m, despite a 6.2% rise in the number of passengers flown to 6.6 million.

Mr Walsh said the decrease in turnover was the result of lower fares to European destinations, which dropped 10% last year.

The airline expects average fares to drop by 10% this year and a further 10% next year.

To offset the fall in fares it expects further costs to be taken out of the business and increased efficiencies from staff, rising internet sales and new aircraft to come on stream.

"We are going to see a fall in revenue again in 2004 and that means more costs have to come out," Mr Walsh said.

The airline's operating margin rose from 6.7% to 9.3%, its highest ever, and left it on course for a margin of 15% of sales by 2006.

Both European and transatlantic passenger numbers were up, with a 3.9% rise to European destinations, despite a 4.8% fall in passengers on its London routes.

Passenger numbers on the airline's continental European routes were ahead by 27%, while it flew 1.1 million transatlantic passengers, a 19% rise on 2002.

Mr Walsh added that it was looking to open new routes to the United States, and had Dallas, San Francisco, Miami and Philadelphia in its sights. The airline is also looking at the possibility of services to Australia and south-east Asia.

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On aerlingus.com, possibly to gauge demand to possible new service, Miami, Philadelphia, and San Francisco are on Aer Lingus' drop down list of destinations, even though they do not usually display destinations they do not fly to with their own aircraft.

I say Miami and San Francisco have the best shot. Can't speak for San Francisco, but the Miami-Ireland market is pretty big, and lot's of new oneWorld, one-stop connections are opened up.


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User currently offlineUSAFHummer From United States of America, joined May 2000, 10685 posts, RR: 53
Reply 1, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5341 times:

Strictly from my biased view PHL would be nice...we have this nice new international terminal but no new airlines have come calling...

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User currently offlineUsair330 From United States of America, joined Mar 2002, 824 posts, RR: 1
Reply 2, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5332 times:

Great!!! A new International airline coming into Philadelphia!!!! US Airways fly to Dublin and Shannon with a 767-200 so load factors must be real good if Aer Lingus is looking at the Philly-Ireland route!

User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12436 posts, RR: 37
Reply 3, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 5299 times:

Or, of course, it could be that EI doesn't see US having a long term future on that route . . . or elsewhere . . .

It's a positive development that EI has said openly that it's looking at an Asian route. The big fly in the ointment is the whole bilateral issue. Frankly, I'm always worried about the Irish authorities conducting bilaterals, because they don't usually get it right. They want to protect SNN for another few years, but it will means a relaxing of the 50/50 rule. Still, it will reduce Aer Lingus's competitiveness against other airlines, so I wonder how the EU will see this.

Positive moves ahead, anyway.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 4, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 5246 times:

While they are considering Philadelphia, I can't see them in Philly for a while, at least not while USAirways is still flying to Dublin and Shannon. SFO and MIA would probably come first. DFW later.

Though before anything, there needs to be a new US-Ireland bilateral, or you won't see Aer Lingus at any of the four.



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User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4772 posts, RR: 43
Reply 5, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 17 hours ago) and read 5208 times:

Please do remember that the other main reason for wanting to start MIA and DFW flights are that theyre both 2 HUGE AMERICAN AIRLINE's HUBS hence it would be very convienient for EI to fly there and then transfer traffic to AA.

Latin American traffic can pass through MIA whereas domestic USA and West Coast-MEXICO can go via DFW or even MIA if its on the East or Southern USA coast.

As for PHL...an A 332 is perfect and the same applies to SFO. Both cities should be 3-4 weekly.

As for the Asian expansion...choice of cities to look at should be DXB-KUL-BKK-BOM/DEL with the A 332s only due to its longer range flying ability compared to its big brother the A 333.


User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 16 hours ago) and read 5130 times:

Besides Dubai, what other possible destinations would they serve in the Middle East?


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User currently offlineRyanairA320 From Ireland, joined Dec 2003, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 7, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5117 times:


Do you think Aer Lingus will order new aircraft to start further Long-Haul routes. I'd love to see them operate the A340-500/600





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User currently offlineShamrock_747 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 8, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 15 hours ago) and read 5072 times:

I think the A330-200 has a good size and range for the possible new American routes. Aer Lingus may well lease a couple more for long-haul expansion when it takes place.

User currently offlineN276AASTT From US Virgin Islands, joined Jan 2004, 620 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 14 hours ago) and read 5017 times:

I'm always partial to DFW. With the new Terminal D opening up next year and the fortress hub AA has there, it is feaseable to see AerLingus give it a try. It would be great to see some color variety at DFW!


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User currently offlineAA767400 From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 2360 posts, RR: 26
Reply 10, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4912 times:

I am thinking that MIA is the way to go on this. Would be a huge money maker. I also think DFW would be great as well.

BKK would be the first choice for Asia, if not HKG. HKG Would have really good
feed there with CX. What about range? Can a 332 make the DUB-BKK or
DUB-HKG runs? Or will it have to be DUB-DXB-BKK, and add DXB to the list of
new services.



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User currently offlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2074 posts, RR: 36
Reply 11, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4897 times:

You've gotta think DFW is a lock. DFW offers such a broad scale of connections, I'm sure the route would be a success. I believe that was what EI was banking on when it said that it may consider starting St. Louis last spring. SFO and MIA are equally strong markets (in general) and both should work nicely with something like 4-7x per week. With US still in existence, PHL seems less likely, but they may be banking on them washing up when they make that statement.

User currently offlineHaveric From United States of America, joined Jan 2001, 1247 posts, RR: 4
Reply 12, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 4864 times:

If US does go under, PHL is a clear choice for EI. Last year, US averaged over a 90% load factor on both services to Ireland (US flies seperate, seasonal PHL-SNN and PHL-DUB on 762s).

While not attracting too many full fares, the average fare on this route from Philly wasn't low either...


User currently offlineBartond From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 789 posts, RR: 2
Reply 13, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4830 times:

I'd give anything to see Aer Lingus at Dallas and I'm very biased towards my airport, but you have to give MIA the leg up on this one. More connections to South America and quite a few flights to the mainland US, plus Miami and Florida are tourist destinations for Europeans. Can't believe that many Euros are itching to come to Texas for holiday.

Although I have a friend whose dad is Irish and he has a few Irish friends that live in Dallas, so maybe the route would work. Ha. All this Irish talk has gotten me pumped up for the St. Patty's Day parade/party on Greenville Ave. this weekend. Cheers!


User currently offlineRyanairA320 From Ireland, joined Dec 2003, 96 posts, RR: 0
Reply 14, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 4797 times:


Im not sure if St. Patrick was a Drag Queen but the last time I checked he was nicknamed St. Paddy not St. Patty. Big grin

I would like to travel to Dallas. No reason really but at times Aer Lingus can offer extremely low fares to the US. In December I got flights to BWI for 221.32 euro return from Dublin. The most expensive flight i got around the same time when I priced all of their 5 US destinations was Los Angeles at 284 euro. Those fares were incl all taxes and charges.

I think more Long haul aircraft would be great. I would assume more A332 would be obtained and perhaps some A340-500/600 for Asian/Aussie routes. How cool would they look in the EI livery. Infact I think the 777 would look really great in their fantastic colour scheme. But they are more likely to continue their all Airbus convesion.

RyanairA320





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User currently offlineGoomba From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 309 posts, RR: 1
Reply 15, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4746 times:

Why not ATL? Is it because Aer Lingus is not a SkyTeam member? DL flies to Dublin and Shannon daily...I'm fairly certain we could support another flight from Aer Lingus from ATL.

User currently offlineBartond From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 789 posts, RR: 2
Reply 16, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4737 times:

Thanks for the spelling correction - I was just going with the "t" in Patrick but I see your point.

I'm not sure what EI's plans are but I would assume that you're right, that they would maintain their Airbus concentration instead of paying for a 772 or something like that. Are there routes that EI could place an A345 on? DUB-HKG or something like that? I don't know much about Irish businesses and/or with whom they do alot of trading, aside from companies in the US in areas like NYC/BOS. What are some other markets that might work from DUB?


User currently offlineAirways6max From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 494 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 4701 times:

I would welcome seeing the shamrock just about anywhere. I flew Aer Lingus once not long ago and they had really good service. Flights to PHL might keep US Airways on their toes. Flights to MIA would make good sense; it's a OneWorld hub, there are plenty of business opportunities in Asia and there's a large Irish population in Australia. All of these would make sense if there's a market.

User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12436 posts, RR: 37
Reply 18, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4661 times:

Sure, Airbus looks like the most likely option, but on the other hand, the Americans have the most important card. Aer Lingus wants US expansion and is waiting for more US access before deciding on this. The US may well say, unofficially, "buy Boeings and you can have what you like".

Of course, the Irish govt still wants some US access for SNN, but is willing to liberalise the current 50/50 rule. Nonetheless, the EU Commission will still want to see what Ireland is doing and may veto a restrictive bilateral on competitiveness grounds. The US/Ireland bilateral is being negotiated "offline" so to speak, i.e. not related to the EU/US issues, which are likely to be delayed by the US election.


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32736 posts, RR: 72
Reply 19, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 9 hours ago) and read 4636 times:

Why not ATL? Is it because Aer Lingus is not a SkyTeam member? DL flies to Dublin and Shannon daily...I'm fairly certain we could support another flight from Aer Lingus from ATL.


Aer Lingus would get smashed at ATL. No way it will work.

Now, I know I live here, so I'm biased, but I'm giving Miami the leg up on being the first destinations:

-Very popular tourist destination for Irish
-Irish have one of Europe's largest disposable incomes and love to travel. Miami opens easy one-stop connections throughout Florida and the Caribbean.
-Would be able to offer strong O&D on both sides
-Would give Miamians a "lower fare" choice to Europe

Dallas would be an excellent choice too:
-oneWorld's biggest hub
-Easy one-stop connections throughout the United States. That right there can probably fill the plane
-Would give Dallas area residents a "lower fare" choice to Europe

San Francsisco should have little problems, but I can't see Philadelphia working with USAirways still there. Orlando is another destination that has potential, but they are better off letting passengers connect in Miami.



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User currently offlineGoomba From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 309 posts, RR: 1
Reply 20, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4560 times:

Aer Lingus would get smashed at ATL. No way it will work.

Maybe you are right, but it's tough to swallow just seeing DL, BA, AF, LH, Europe bound heavies in Atlanta. Heck, even Alitalia is a SkyTeam member and none of their aircraft even come to ATL.

I'd likd to see more international airlines in ATL overall. KLM is gone, Swiss is gone, Sabena is gone. It's always the same four tail livery's in the air here at Concourse E every afternoon.

What is cool though is the A340-600 that comes in from Johannesburg every morning from South African Airlines. I am lucky to see her here every day.


User currently offlineFlyingDoctorWu From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 307 posts, RR: 0
Reply 21, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 8 hours ago) and read 4501 times:

I think that PHL would be towards the bottom of that list- I mean they already serve BWI and JFK both within an hour and a half of PHL. Besides I think that US has such high loads on their flights from PHL because of their extensive international hub- it's the most lucrative international hub for them which also makes me think that they will fight fight fight WN there.

I do like Aer Lingus a lot- flew them from BWI once and thoroughly enjoyed it... I just think that they will (or should) seek another destination away from the northeast

Chris


User currently offlineBa319-131 From United Kingdom, joined Jan 2001, 8535 posts, RR: 54
Reply 22, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4439 times:
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To be honest, I see MIA at the top of the pile.

Great weather for the high season and excellent year round connections from MIA with AA.



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User currently offlineDstc47 From Ireland, joined Sep 1999, 1472 posts, RR: 3
Reply 23, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 7 hours ago) and read 4433 times:

Hold your horses boys.


Firstly, any new routes to the USA require a revision to the Irish / USA bilateral. That may take a very long time, especially as the Irish side are likely to press to retain as much as possible of the Shannon stopover insanity in any new agreement. Following the European Court of Justice decision, Ireland may also have to bring the EU Commission along.


Second, there is no doubt that EI are looking at serving Florida - could well be elsewhere than MIA, FLL or MCO perhaps. And also the Bay Area, where Oakland was rumoured to be the favourite rather than SFO.

Thirdly, EI need to think hard about extending services on long routes due to fleet planning and resource use reasons. It is very , very hard to compete from Ireland with services via LHR or AMS, when daily frequency is not on offer..


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 4404 times:

Alitalia is a SkyTeam member and none of their aircraft even come to ATL

Though AZ plans to eventually serve ATL sometime in the not-near future... they have no real need to, as ATI with DL serves their interests well.


25 As739x : Dctc47...Oakland over SFO or SJC, you are kidding right? Oakland has 1 In't gate. SFO and SJC have brand new Int'l terminals. I would say Oakland is t
26 Dstc47 : OAK was the last rumour here - price may be a factor. DUB is not even good enough to be a trashy airport, with abysmal facilities, especially for tran
27 FLYACYYZ : Why would EI be considering "secondary" US markets, before returning to primary Canadian markets -- YUL & YYZ. Haven't seen the Shamrock over the skie
28 As739x : Understandable that cost can be a factor. OAK is not a good choice for a Oneworld carrier to serve from another counrty. Its one small International g
29 Usairways85 : Why does Aer Lingus fly to BWI. My understanding was they had the right to fly to a Washington DC airport meaning BWI or IAD. I would think they would
30 Post contains links MAH4546 : Maybe you are right, but it's tough to swallow just seeing DL, BA, AF, LH, Europe bound heavies in Atlanta. Heck, even Alitalia is a SkyTeam member an
31 All4BWI : Usairways85: BWI offered nice incentives to EI when it first began service, pre-9/11. Three years of waived landing fees ain't too bad if ya ask me! E
32 Kaitak : Aer Lingus focus is more on the US than on Asia. The problem for EI is, does it want to have all its long haul eggs in the US basket. It might see mor
33 Motorhussy : It'd be great to see EI launch into a BKK-MEL or BKK-SYD route. Of course they could easily codeshare the Australia leg with QF. There's always KUL or
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