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Why Does SAS Fly To Seattle?  
User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 9268 times:

SAS has, for a long time, operated service from Seattle to Copenhagen. I am curious as to what drives this route? Is there a large Scandinavian community in and around the Pacific Northwest or is there a business link that supports this route? It's just odd that SAS do not fly to LAX, which is a much larger place to command O&D traffic and is a relative hub for UA?

ContinentalEWR

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User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4847 posts, RR: 44
Reply 1, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 9222 times:

Very few European airlines apart from SAS fly to SEA...I think that the only other one is BA and SAS probably does well on this route as being the only other option and that too a Star Alliance option for pax of the FFP in Europe.

I would think that they are doing well on this route driven by good loads in J class as SEA has BOEING-MICROSOFT-STARBUCKS and a few other big shot MNCs located there.

The route I think is now flown by an A 343 !!!


User currently offlineContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13
Reply 2, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 9205 times:

Yes, BA is the only other European airline that flies nonstop to Europe, but doesn't KLM/Northwest have on-again, off-again service to Amsterdam from Seattle?



User currently offlineStevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 9202 times:

Yes...the Ballard neighborhood just north of the Space Needle is a HUGE Scandinavian community, and there are many others throughout the region.
I suspect the route also benefits from feed from Portland as well.

As far as business contacts go, I don't know all the businesses, but there is an IKEA very close to Sea-Tac, and they surely use the route as well.

I believe that SAS started the route with a DC-10-30, and have also used a 767-300ER, and now it's an A340. Flight 937/938.


User currently offlineCOAB767 From Guam, joined Nov 2003, 1377 posts, RR: 9
Reply 4, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 9123 times:

The NW/KL flight is not off-again/on-again service. That is a daily flight operated by NW with a DC10 for their flight to AMS.


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User currently offlineAC345 From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 197 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 9055 times:

SAS also gets traffic from YVR for this flight. They offer great deals for quite a few destinations in Europe.

User currently offlineFlybynight From Norway, joined Jul 2003, 1031 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 12 hours ago) and read 9050 times:

SK has been flying to SEA for along time. It dates back to the DC-8 days.
Washington State, with the possible exception of Minnesota has the largest percentage of Scandinavian-Americans in North America. I am one of them!
The question is, will SK fly to Minneapolis one day.
Seattle is also a vacation spot because of the natural beauty of the area.


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User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33272 posts, RR: 71
Reply 7, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 9013 times:

It has little to do with the fact that Seattle does have a sizeable Scandanavian community. They have been there for a long time, and have a very nice niche in the market. They have been able to make a good name for themselves, and I'm sure most of the traffic is connecting in CPH. They are well known in the Seattle area, which is lacking in non-stops to Europe for a market its size.

Also, everybody always seems to forget that Aeroflot also flies to Seattle from Moscow. For a city that lacks non-stops to Frankfurt and Paris, I've always found it interesting they have non-stops to Copehagen and Moscow.



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User currently offlineIflyatldl From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1936 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 8978 times:

SK (SAS) used to serve LAX as well, but I belive the route was dropped sometime in the 80's.  Big grin SK endured a loss in Jan '69, a DC-8 out of LAX, going down in the Pacific after take off. I remember that as a kid living in LA. They however, have served SEA for a long time.  Smile


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User currently offlinePaddy From Taiwan, joined Jul 2003, 390 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 6 days 11 hours ago) and read 8930 times:

A large ethnic community is only a small factor in these long haul flights. Its not the Olsen family down the street who makes the SEA-CPH run profitable, its the business travelers. I know a lot of business people in Seattle who swear by SAS. Its kind of a loyalty thing because SK has been around for years and their quality is consistently good.

User currently offlineAirnondo From Moldova, joined May 2000, 241 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8743 times:

I've always thought a main reason why SEA has Copenhagen & Moscow non-stops, but no CDG or FRA, is a big part due to geography--The route SEA to CPH (and in a lesser extent to SVO) from SEA provide for more direct connections to most of Europe than say CDG. Here's Snowflake's route map to show what I'm speaking of...


on a side note, I always have wondered which of the Europe n/stops Mr. Gates flies most often? My money's on the SAS, with the niche image they've got going. BA is too much like his own company, a mega-sized main-stream player.

-Nondo


User currently offlineKEno From Malaysia, joined Feb 2004, 1842 posts, RR: 27
Reply 11, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 8678 times:

Almost transpolar...



User currently offlineSolnabo From Sweden, joined Jan 2008, 858 posts, RR: 2
Reply 12, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 8584 times:

If SK really wanna fly scandi´s they go for Minneapolis/S:t Paul in MN(?)-ARN/CPH or OSL. There´s alot in Delaware too....
Just some info for U guyz  Big thumbs up
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User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 13, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8429 times:

as SEA has BOEING-MICROSOFT-STARBUCKS

Boeing's corporate base is Chicago, not Seattle. That's what fills the J seats, not factory workers  Big grin


User currently offlineMaverickM11 From United States of America, joined Apr 2000, 17822 posts, RR: 46
Reply 14, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 8387 times:

"Boeing's corporate base is Chicago, not Seattle. That's what fills the J seats, not factory workers "

Depends what union you belong to Wink/being sarcastic.



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User currently offlineUA744KSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8255 times:

I as well think that a lot of the reason why Aeroflot and SAS serve Seattle is due to geography. Seattle is actually the closest destination to SVO and CPH on the west coast. It should also be pointed out that the Aeroflot flight continues to SFO. I am wondering, however, why SAS doesn't do this as well, especially since SFO is a huge UA hub.

User currently offlineChriskam From Norway, joined Jun 2000, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 20 hours ago) and read 8227 times:

there is a lot of business-traffic between SEA and Scandinavia, and as its been mentioned, a sizable Scandinavia community there. The reason SAS does not fly to LAX is that its too far. SAS' new A340s can do it range-wise, but to operate a daily non-stop SAS'd need two aircraft, as there'd be no time to do CPH-LAX-CPH in less than 24 hours. CPH-SFO was planned for start-up in May 2002, but then along came Osama...

User currently offlinePaddy From Taiwan, joined Jul 2003, 390 posts, RR: 0
Reply 17, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8087 times:

Boeing's corporate base is Chicago, not Seattle. That's what fills the J seats, not factory workers

I would hardly say that the only Boeing employees left in Seattle are factory workers. Aren't the BCA executives still in Seattle or Everett? Not to mention managers, engineers and the like...


User currently offlineAerosol From Germany, joined Oct 2000, 560 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8071 times:

I think no other Star Alliance flight directly from Europe. Flew it 2 years ago, nice nother lights!

User currently offlineNavigator From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 1226 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 19 hours ago) and read 8029 times:

There is a large ex. scandinavian population in Seattle. SAS has also served the route to Seattle very well. With excellent service SAS has since long been the preferred airline in the Seattle area for journeys to Europe.

I can agree that Minneapolis St Paul would have been an excellent SAS destination in U.S.A. considering its large ex swedish population. But SAS never went on that route except on charters.

/ Stefan



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User currently offline752is From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7982 times:

As far as I know SAS will never servie MSP, not because there is no market there but because NW has such a strong hold of MSP. I remember when FI started MSP they did very well and NW saw that since they were the handling agent for FI after a while NW started a direct MSP-OSL on a DC-10 because they saw alot of pax to OSL and to drive FI out of MSP but it didn't work. The reason this works for FI they hub in KEF and have flights from there to Europe. When you take 50 pax to OSL 50 to ARN 30 to KEF and 50 to CPH you fill a 757. But you can't have a direct MSP-OSL with 50 pax one way and expect to make money. If anybody else could tell me who else flies to Europe from MSP besides NW and KLM please let me know.
Thanks in advance


User currently offlineVC745D From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 214 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 7940 times:

SAS began to fly CPH-LAX in Nov 1954 with DC6Bs, with tech stops in either Greenland or Winnipeg or perhaps both. Don't know when the route was dropped.

Nonstop CPH-SEA began in Oct 1960 with DC8s but SEA svc may have started earlier with DC6B or DC7Cs.

[Edited 2004-03-12 21:54:22]

User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 22, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7731 times:

Dont forget that Poulsbo, WA is a Norweigen town too.


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User currently offlineNavigator From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 1226 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7696 times:

LAX services were the first SAS services to the US west coast. They started with DC-7:s I think and continued with DC-8-33:s via Winnipeg and later nonstop with DC-8-60:s. However Seattle was later I think and started with DC-8:s in 1967. Seattle was also a stop on some of the frequencies to LAX.




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User currently offlineCopenhagenboy From Denmark, joined Sep 2001, 599 posts, RR: 1
Reply 24, posted (10 years 9 months 1 week 5 days 6 hours ago) and read 7677 times:

http://www.scandinavian.net/EC/Appl/Home/FrontDoor/0,3479,LNG%253Dda%2526SO%253DAFB53BE6BF464692_9665BAFBC6EE34AD%2526MKT%253DDK,00.html

or go to www.sas.dk, choose About SAS, then SAS History and then SAS Milestones, you can see it all

milestones 1952 and 1954

[Edited 2004-03-13 09:39:34]

25 707437 : I took the SEA-CPH for the first time way back in the 70s on the DC-10-30! "as well think that a lot of the reason why Aeroflot and SAS serve Seattle
26 AirframeAS : "Boeing's corporate base is Chicago, not Seattle. That's what fills the J seats, not factory workers" Wrong! Obviously you have never been to KSEA on
27 Post contains links Tavve : Further reading: http://www.airliners.net/discussions/general_aviation/read.main/330330/
28 Starlionblue : Seattle= Microsoft+a ton of other IT companies, many associated with MS. Scandinavia= Region in which IT companies like to test new concepts, have dev
29 Flybynight : SK's flying to SEA does have anything to do with Microsoft nor Starbucks. SK was flying to SEA many, many years before either company was started. It
30 Prebennorholm : SEA is simply the US west coast destination which is closest to Scandinavia. And CPH-SEA-CPH can be done within 24 hours. For the SK SEA route, SEA is
31 KaiGywer : . If anybody else could tell me who else flies to Europe from MSP besides NW and KLM please let me know. Nobody but FI, NW and KL. Unfortunately, as I
32 LN-MOW : '' Only a minor fraction has Seattle as their final destination.'' A minor fraction of 60-70 percent ... or more. SEA is not the gateway you describe.
33 Post contains images Solnabo : SAS US-routs are SEA/Chicago/JFK??? Have I missed anyone? Nolonger LAX? A333X flies this routs, right, and not A343X (Far East & Asia)? *puzzled* Mich
34 Post contains images QIguy24 : Solnabo SAS havent been flying to JFK and LAX since the eigthies. In the US, SAS are flying to: EWR, ORD, SEA and IAD.
35 VC10BOAC : I was informed by a colleague during a business meeting this morning that Jet Blue will be doing modifications to some gates at JFK to accommodate the
36 BCAInfoSys : Uh VC10BOAC, I seriously hope that you're joking. Either that or your colleague is COMPLETELY full of shit. Thanks for the laugh though!
37 KaiGywer : Solnabo, transatlantic routes are a mix of 330s and 340s.
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