ContinentalEWR From United States of America, joined May 2000, 3762 posts, RR: 13 Posted (10 years 11 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 9531 times:
SAS has, for a long time, operated service from Seattle to Copenhagen. I am curious as to what drives this route? Is there a large Scandinavian community in and around the Pacific Northwest or is there a business link that supports this route? It's just odd that SAS do not fly to LAX, which is a much larger place to command O&D traffic and is a relative hub for UA?
Behramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4920 posts, RR: 45
Reply 1, posted (10 years 11 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 9485 times:
Very few European airlines apart from SAS fly to SEA...I think that the only other one is BA and SAS probably does well on this route as being the only other option and that too a Star Alliance option for pax of the FFP in Europe.
I would think that they are doing well on this route driven by good loads in J class as SEA has BOEING-MICROSOFT-STARBUCKS and a few other big shot MNCs located there.
StevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 11 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 9465 times:
Yes...the Ballard neighborhood just north of the Space Needle is a HUGE Scandinavian community, and there are many others throughout the region.
I suspect the route also benefits from feed from Portland as well.
As far as business contacts go, I don't know all the businesses, but there is an IKEA very close to Sea-Tac, and they surely use the route as well.
I believe that SAS started the route with a DC-10-30, and have also used a 767-300ER, and now it's an A340. Flight 937/938.
Flybynight From Norway, joined Jul 2003, 1036 posts, RR: 2
Reply 6, posted (10 years 11 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 9313 times:
SK has been flying to SEA for along time. It dates back to the DC-8 days.
Washington State, with the possible exception of Minnesota has the largest percentage of Scandinavian-Americans in North America. I am one of them!
The question is, will SK fly to Minneapolis one day.
Seattle is also a vacation spot because of the natural beauty of the area.
MAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33445 posts, RR: 71
Reply 7, posted (10 years 11 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 9276 times:
It has little to do with the fact that Seattle does have a sizeable Scandanavian community. They have been there for a long time, and have a very nice niche in the market. They have been able to make a good name for themselves, and I'm sure most of the traffic is connecting in CPH. They are well known in the Seattle area, which is lacking in non-stops to Europe for a market its size.
Also, everybody always seems to forget that Aeroflot also flies to Seattle from Moscow. For a city that lacks non-stops to Frankfurt and Paris, I've always found it interesting they have non-stops to Copehagen and Moscow.
Iflyatldl From United States of America, joined Nov 2003, 1936 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (10 years 11 months 4 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 9241 times:
SK (SAS) used to serve LAX as well, but I belive the route was dropped sometime in the 80's. SK endured a loss in Jan '69, a DC-8 out of LAX, going down in the Pacific after take off. I remember that as a kid living in LA. They however, have served SEA for a long time.
Ah, Summer, Fenway Park, Boston Red Sox and Beer.....
Paddy From Taiwan, joined Jul 2003, 390 posts, RR: 0
Reply 9, posted (10 years 11 months 4 weeks 22 hours ago) and read 9193 times:
A large ethnic community is only a small factor in these long haul flights. Its not the Olsen family down the street who makes the SEA-CPH run profitable, its the business travelers. I know a lot of business people in Seattle who swear by SAS. Its kind of a loyalty thing because SK has been around for years and their quality is consistently good.
Airnondo From Moldova, joined May 2000, 241 posts, RR: 1
Reply 10, posted (10 years 11 months 4 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 9006 times:
I've always thought a main reason why SEA has Copenhagen & Moscow non-stops, but no CDG or FRA, is a big part due to geography--The route SEA to CPH (and in a lesser extent to SVO) from SEA provide for more direct connections to most of Europe than say CDG. Here's Snowflake's route map to show what I'm speaking of...
on a side note, I always have wondered which of the Europe n/stops Mr. Gates flies most often? My money's on the SAS, with the niche image they've got going. BA is too much like his own company, a mega-sized main-stream player.
UA744KSFO From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 11 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 8518 times:
I as well think that a lot of the reason why Aeroflot and SAS serve Seattle is due to geography. Seattle is actually the closest destination to SVO and CPH on the west coast. It should also be pointed out that the Aeroflot flight continues to SFO. I am wondering, however, why SAS doesn't do this as well, especially since SFO is a huge UA hub.
Chriskam From Norway, joined Jun 2000, 44 posts, RR: 0
Reply 16, posted (10 years 11 months 4 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 8490 times:
there is a lot of business-traffic between SEA and Scandinavia, and as its been mentioned, a sizable Scandinavia community there. The reason SAS does not fly to LAX is that its too far. SAS' new A340s can do it range-wise, but to operate a daily non-stop SAS'd need two aircraft, as there'd be no time to do CPH-LAX-CPH in less than 24 hours. CPH-SFO was planned for start-up in May 2002, but then along came Osama...
Navigator From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 1267 posts, RR: 14
Reply 19, posted (10 years 11 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 8292 times:
There is a large ex. scandinavian population in Seattle. SAS has also served the route to Seattle very well. With excellent service SAS has since long been the preferred airline in the Seattle area for journeys to Europe.
I can agree that Minneapolis St Paul would have been an excellent SAS destination in U.S.A. considering its large ex swedish population. But SAS never went on that route except on charters.
752is From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 88 posts, RR: 0
Reply 20, posted (10 years 11 months 4 weeks 6 hours ago) and read 8245 times:
As far as I know SAS will never servie MSP, not because there is no market there but because NW has such a strong hold of MSP. I remember when FI started MSP they did very well and NW saw that since they were the handling agent for FI after a while NW started a direct MSP-OSL on a DC-10 because they saw alot of pax to OSL and to drive FI out of MSP but it didn't work. The reason this works for FI they hub in KEF and have flights from there to Europe. When you take 50 pax to OSL 50 to ARN 30 to KEF and 50 to CPH you fill a 757. But you can't have a direct MSP-OSL with 50 pax one way and expect to make money. If anybody else could tell me who else flies to Europe from MSP besides NW and KLM please let me know.
Thanks in advance
Navigator From Sweden, joined Jul 2001, 1267 posts, RR: 14
Reply 23, posted (10 years 11 months 3 weeks 6 days 18 hours ago) and read 7959 times:
LAX services were the first SAS services to the US west coast. They started with DC-7:s I think and continued with DC-8-33:s via Winnipeg and later nonstop with DC-8-60:s. However Seattle was later I think and started with DC-8:s in 1967. Seattle was also a stop on some of the frequencies to LAX.