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Egyptair:More Flights To Gulf, Far East And Africa  
User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 16 hours ago) and read 4841 times:

The national carrier EgyptAir will increase flights to the Gulf, the Far East and Africa as from March 31. Mohamed Monir, head of the commercial department of EgyptAir Holding Company, said that the extra direct flights to the three regions will generate an extra LE441 million in the company's revenues. The firm's new management system is based on scientific thinking for planning the flight networks, with a view to increasing profits, Monir said. Part of the new management scheme is the application of the most up-to-date techniques in training aircrew and ground staff, Monir added. "The new management strategy is to be implemented throughout this year," he said. Karim Baki, manager of EgyptAir's office in Bucharest said that the national carrier had launched weekly charter flights between Egypt and Romania.Plans are underway to organise similar charter flights to other East European countries, Baki said.



Also,

Austrian Airlines Group in collaboration with EgyptAir will operate daily flights to from Vienna to Cairo (except Sundays) in its summer timetable from March 28, while EgyptAir will provide services to Cairo four days per week. As a result, the partners will operate a total of 10 weekly codeshare flights between Cairo and Vienna. In addition, the codeshare accord offers EgyptAir connections via Vienna to Copenhagen, Stockholm and Oslo while guaranteeing Austrian seats on routes to Africa, Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates in return. Scheduled services also will be increased during the winter season between Vienna and Cairo in response to rising demand, Austrian said. "By cooperating with our route partner, EgyptAir, we can offer passengers a significantly improved product," said CCO Josef Burger


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User currently offlineTs-ior From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3468 posts, RR: 6
Reply 1, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4778 times:


Aaah Mohamed Monir is within Egyptair Holding Company now !!! He stopped singing ???  Laugh out loud

Egyptair is also adding a third weekly flight to Tunis,probably on Sunday as it used to do every summer season.Tunisair schedules its third weekly flight to Cairo on Wednesday,and so you can fly CAI-TUN-CAI daily except on Saturday. Why not Alexandria on Saturday ?


User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 2, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 14 hours ago) and read 4764 times:

Ts-ior

Haha, I was wandering if someone would notice that. Don't worry Mohammed Monir still sings and has nothing to do with this Egyptair official.  Laugh out loud

Egyptair (MS844) will operate on Tuesdays, Thursdays and Sundays with A320s and A321s.
Tunisair (TU813) will operate Mondays, Thursdays and Saturdays with A320s.

Tunisair and Egyptair will make these upgrades in the next few weeks.

Ts-ior-Do you know why there are 2 extra Tunisair flights over the next few weeks? TU7164 are on Mondays and Tuesdays with A320s and B736s in addition to their 2 normal flights. Are these charters, because they do not show in next months (April) schedule.?

Why would there be a flight to Alexandria on Saturday?







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User currently offlineTs-ior From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3468 posts, RR: 6
Reply 3, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4741 times:


TU7164s are charters,but i don't know the reason for these flights.They could be for teams supporters or for journalists and special guests of the Arab League Meeting in Tunis.

MS stopped their Friday flight ? I think it's the first time that they will operate to Tunis on Thursday,and so it's the first time TU flies to Cairo on Saturday.

I think Alex.deserves connections to North Africa,especially at Summer,no ?


User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 4, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 13 hours ago) and read 4722 times:


'I think Alex.deserves connections to North Africa,especially at Summer,no ?'

There are currently Egyptair and Libyan Arab Airline flights connecting Alexandria with Tripoli and Benghazi. I think if Egyptair launches a 4th weekly flight from CAI to TUN via ALX it would probably work. I don't think the market is that big though. I know there is a large Greek, Italian and French population in Alexandria, but are there many Tunisians living there?



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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 5, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 11 hours ago) and read 4684 times:

Here are some of these increases:

The following is a list of SOME of the changes to the airline’s schedule by April/May2004: -
1. Jeddah: Currently 3 daily flights, will go up to 5 daily flights
2. Doha: Currently 4 flights a week, will go up to daily flights
3. Kuwait: Currently daily A340, will go up to 12x weekly flights with B777
4. Dubai: Currently 5 flights a week, will go up to 2x daily flights
5. Riyadh: Currently 5 weekly flights, will go up to 13x weekly flights
6. Dammam:Currently 4x weekly with A320s and B735s, will go upto 8x weekly with A300-600R and A340s
6. Beirut: Currently 6 weekly flights, will go up to 10x weekly flights
7. Damascus: Currently 4 x weekly flights, will go up to daily flights
8. Amman: Currently daily flight, will go up to 9x weekly flights
9. Tripoli: Currently 3x weekly flights, will go up to daily flights
10. Johannesburg: Currently 2x weekly (via Harare), will go up to 3x weekly flights direct with A340
11. Tokyo: Currently 2x weekly flights (via Bangkok and Manila), will go up to 4x weekly flights direct with A340
12. Osaka: Currently 2x weekly flight with A340 upgraded to B777
13. Paris/Orly: Currently 6x weekly flights with A340, will go up to 9x weekly with B777s and A340s
14. Addis Ababa: Currently 1x weekly flight with B737, will go up to 3x weekly flights with A320s.
15. Khartoum: Currently 5x weekly flights with A320s, will go up to daily with A320s and A300-600R.
16. Nairobi: Currently 2x weekly flightswith A320s, will go up to 3x weekly flights A320s.



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User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4773 posts, RR: 43
Reply 6, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 5 hours ago) and read 4635 times:

So this means that on the DXB-CAI-DXB route, expect a dogfight with EK and MS both having more than daily flights on widebodies...though I bet MS would prove to be the cheaper option however EK has the superior inflight product and a big loyal following in the DXB market...however it shall be an interesting battle to watch.

Why does MS fly to Paris ORLY and not CDG??? Even RJ does this!!! Whats the reasoning behind it?


User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 7, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 4 hours ago) and read 4625 times:

Egyptair expects to improve profitability on the route. Currently 55% of passenger fly with MS on this route (EK has a 41% share and Singapore Airline a 4% share). Egyptair aims to attract more passengers due to its competitive airfares. They are about to upgrade their on-board services. But yes like you said their will be fierce competition on this route.

MS flies to Orly due to the better connections to domestic French flights and less congestion than CDG. In addition to their 9x weekly flights, they have a weekly LXR-Orly flight too.



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User currently offlineETStar From Canada, joined Jan 2004, 2103 posts, RR: 7
Reply 8, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4606 times:

Isn't that a big jump though for flights between CAI and DXB? Overall, is it not a huuuuuuuuge increase of services? Is MS reinventing itself with a lower cost structure etc that will allow it to compete more with other airlines?

[Edited 2004-03-14 04:35:11]

User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 9, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 2 days 1 hour ago) and read 4588 times:

Horus,

Beirut is currently daily, not 6x weekly. The Wednesday flight stops in Alexandria on the way.

As you said, in April it will be going to 10x weekly including the Alexandria Wednesday flight. Then in June, that Wednesday flight will become non-stop from Cairo rather than stopping in Alexandria and a flight on Friday from Alexandria will be added for a total of 11x weekly.

Amman will be going to 8x weekly. In addition to the daily evening A320 flight, a morning flight on Thursdays on a 737-500 is being added.

Damascus is going to 8x weekly also. In addition to the daily A320 from Cairo, an extra flight on Wednesday also on an A320 is being operated that will stop in Alexandria on the way.

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 10, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4515 times:

ETStar

MS is going through major restructuring, which will include disposing of older models for new Airbuses, cutting non-profitable routes and increasing frequency on profitable ones as well as introducing new destinations (Hong Kong and Houston soon). They are also deciding on whether to choose Embraer or Bombardier jets for use on their domestic flights. With the success of other airlines in the region, they had to do this to remain profitable and remain as important.

Other increases in Africa include:
Asmara: Currently 1x weekly flight, will become 2x weekly
Lagos: Currently 2x weekly flights, will become 4x weekly

Can't wait until they launch Hong Kong and Houston flights!  Smile/happy/getting dizzy




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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 11, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 9 hours ago) and read 4508 times:

Horus,

How many A320s is Egypt Air getting this year?

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4478 times:

BA

They've already received their last 5 A320-232s during the end of last year. The deliveries were as follows:

SU-GBZ (2070) dd 29/10/03
SU-GCA (2073) dd 31/10/03
SU-GCB (2079) dd 31/10/03
SU-GCC (2088) dd 03/11/03
SU-GCD (2094) dd 03/11/03

Do you mean how many A330-200s they will be recieving this year?



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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 13, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 7 hours ago) and read 4469 times:

No, I meant A320s.

I heard one of the reasons why they are doing all these frequency increases is because of additional A320s they will be recieving. Or maybe it's just because they are cutting 14 destinations?

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 14, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4465 times:

BA

I thought you were gone.

It is a mixture of both, cutting 12 (not 14) destinations and increasing aircraft utilisation. They were going to start code-sharing on some routes but decided against it in favour of serving the destinations in their own right. I am one of those people who is against code-sharing (in general) as airline's end up relying on other carriers. They currently only codeshare on the CAI-Vienna-CAI route with Austrian Airline.



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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 15, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4455 times:

Thanks Horus.

I think code-shares are good. Take CDG-BEY for example with the AF/ME code-share.

I think there should be limits, but I am not totally against it.

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 16, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4449 times:

I am not against code-sharing, it obviously has benefits ( like you said CDG-BEY), but I prefer it when each airline serves its market. When MS flew to Manila they code-shared with Philippine Airline. I would prefer to have PA fly to CAI with A330 even if it meant competition with MS. It would reduce airfare (due to competition) resulting in an increase to the possible target market, ultimately increasing passenger numbers


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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 17, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4440 times:

It would reduce airfare (due to competition) resulting in an increase to the possible target market, ultimately increasing passenger numbers

I'm afraid that doesn't always happen.

Each market has a limit. If that limited is exceeded, someone will start to suffer, possibly both and if that happens, you will have negative impacts in the long run.

That's actually the problem with an Open Skies policy I'm afraid...........

MEA is going to lose some traffic on the BEY-IST market because Yemenia is starting SAH-BEY-IST and they have traffic rights on BEY-IST.

In order for Yemenia to attract passengers, they will offer cheaper fares than MEA, so passengers will go to Yemenia and MEA will suffer. Perhaps MEA will reduce frequency back to 3x weekly like how it was last year....

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 18, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 1 day 6 hours ago) and read 4436 times:

I see your point. I know this is different but there is a connection. LCCs haven't taken passengers away from full service carriers as much as they have opened up a new market where people can fly from A to B for £20. Without LCCs these people wouldn't consider flying more frequently. This is why I see code-sharing as a problem as it creates a monopoly on the route limiting the number of potential passengers. But of course like you said certain markets will not expand further, even with cheaper tickets. It goes both ways a guess!


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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 19, posted (10 years 5 months 3 weeks 16 hours ago) and read 4381 times:

BA

About the Korean Air flights to CAI we were discussing. I have been looking for the article that states they will be increasing frequency to 3x weekly but all I can find is this 'older' article which shows KAL interested in increasing flights.

http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2003/657/tr4.htm

[Edited 2004-03-15 14:42:14]


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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 20, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 8 hours ago) and read 4308 times:

Horus,

Thought I'd let you know that MEA is increasing Cairo from daily to 10x weekly for the summer season.

In addition to the daily ME304 arriving in Cairo at 1:30PM, they are adding ME306 arriving at 9:30PM in Cairo. It will operate on Wednesday, Friday, and Sunday.

All flights on A321s.

For the moment, it is planned as a seasonal service operating from June 16 to September 29. However, when MEA joins Skyteam in November, you will definately see permanent frequency increases throughout the Middle East and I am sure Cairo will be no exception.

Just thought I'd let you know. Not trying to get off topic!

Nice article. It's good to see that Korean is increasing Cairo.

Hopefully Singapore will upgrade Cairo to non-stop soon.

Regards



"Generosity is giving more than you can, and pride is taking less than you need." - Khalil Gibran
User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 21, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 7 hours ago) and read 4288 times:

BA

That's really good news, but why don't MEA operate the Wed ME306 flight on Sat or Mon so they are not in direct competition with MS and so both collectively offer a 3x daily service between the cities.

I hope SQ flights become direct too, but on the condition they remain using the looooooong 773  Laugh out loud



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User currently offlineBA From United States of America, joined May 2000, 11153 posts, RR: 59
Reply 22, posted (10 years 5 months 2 weeks 6 days 6 hours ago) and read 4279 times:

I am not sure why they choose those days Horus. Perhaps that's all they can do with their planes.

They are increasing DXB to 11x weekly for the summer (daily A321, 4x weekly A330).

Regards



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