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Frank Lorenzo, What Is He Up To?  
User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7518 times:

Hi everybody, Can you tell me what I am up to today? Am I dead yet, or am I just hiding. Somebody please tell me where I am currently, and what I am doing.

signed,
Frankie "dont know how to run an airline" Lorenzo


Seriously folks, what is this @$$hole up to these days?

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User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 1, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7404 times:

Well, After I single-handedly destroyed 4 or more airlines (with a little help from a few insiders)...

Finish the sentence.


User currently offlineClickhappy From United States of America, joined Sep 2001, 9635 posts, RR: 68
Reply 2, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7381 times:
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he's prob. sunning himself on some private island in the South Pacific earning 20% on the money he made on CO and Eastern.

User currently offlineStevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7364 times:

...I now live in a recently vacated cave in Afghanistan. I heard that a new airline is about to restart in Kabul, and I thought I might offer my help in running it and turning it into a clusterf--k organization like EA and CO was, but when I put in my application, the Afghans got really pissed off all of a sudden when they discovered my name, and ran me out of town. Guess news travels fast. So, I found this cave to hide out in, and have been crashing here for a while. There must be a lot of people pissed off at me, because I hear fighters flying overhead looking for my ass, and now even the Pakistanis are roaming around looking for me.

Life really sucks for me now...I wish I hadn't f---ked over all those employees back home now. Oh well, live and learn.


User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7350 times:

Stevenuhl777, CLASSIC!!!!! LOL!!!  Big thumbs up

Now, really, what is this @$$hole up to? If he is living anywhere near here, I am getting the urge to fly Continental to wherever he lives, and give him a good ass kicking. If it weren't for him, EA probably would have stayed in business (At least until 9/11)


User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6448 posts, RR: 20
Reply 5, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 12 hours ago) and read 7325 times:

Don't forget that f**khead Charlie Bryan also. If it hadn't been for him, Lorenzo wouldn't have even been in the picture. That was happening 15 years ago, this month. Bad memories.  Sad


I think he's on a beach w/ Icahn.  Big thumbs up

Can someone tell the sory of Lorenzo and Bob Six?



Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
User currently offlineAeroman62 From United States of America, joined Jan 2004, 158 posts, RR: 0
Reply 6, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7291 times:

I believe Frank is banned from ever owning a part of whole of any commercial aviation interest in the United States, however what exactly he's doing now is anyone's guess.

User currently offline727LOVER From United States of America, joined Oct 2001, 6448 posts, RR: 20
Reply 7, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7269 times:

Is he still on Continental's board of directors?  Confused


Listen Betty, don't start up with your 'White Zone' s*** again.
User currently offlineElkGrove From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 46 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7240 times:

Frank currently resides in Houston. Though he has kept a low profile these last several years, he has kept some links to the aviation industry. As of late last year he was the Chairman of Savoy Capital Advisors, an investment banking firm out of New York. Savoy specializes in providing financial assistance to mid sized companies.

[Edited 2004-03-15 03:47:59]

User currently offlineB747-437B From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7202 times:

Frank currently resides in Houston.

I thought he had a place up in the Baltimore area?


User currently offline717-200 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 601 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7192 times:

Just out of curiosity how can an individual be banned from ever owning a
part or whole of any commercial aviation interest in the US? Not that I
would ever want to see someone like him get back into this business!



72S 733 734 735 73G 738 742 752 763 E190 M82 M83
User currently offlineElkGrove From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 46 posts, RR: 3
Reply 11, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 11 hours ago) and read 7183 times:

B747-437B

Frank has more than one home. His current legal residence is outside Houston. I think he lists that as his permanant residence for tax purposes. Where he spends most of his time, i'm not quite sure.

-ElkGrove


User currently offlineSrbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 7074 times:

There never was an official "ban" on Frank Lorenzo, he basically got blackballed after the whole Eastern debacle. He was up in the DC area a few years after Eastern folded, trying to start Friendship Airlines out of IAD, but could never get DOT approval to start operations.

User currently offlineKlwright69 From Saudi Arabia, joined Jan 2000, 2046 posts, RR: 3
Reply 13, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 10 hours ago) and read 7054 times:

Frankie is not on CO's board of directors! OHMIGOD. If that were the case we'd all know it!

I actually met the man once.

Lorenzo and his family has lifetime pass benefits on CO.


User currently offlineMCIB757 From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 280 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7010 times:

So im a little young to know what happen, but it sounds terrible, can someone please just quickly summarize what he did?

Thanks

Tom



"God bless catastrophe..."
User currently offlineThrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2690 posts, RR: 10
Reply 15, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 9 hours ago) and read 7001 times:

Hi everybody, I'm looking for another airline to wipe out. Looks like American doesn't need me, and United and Delta don't need my help either. JetBlue looks interesting. I love it when the stock price has the glide angle of a brick. Does anyone have Southwest's address...I want to send them a resume.

Love and kisses,
Frankie the Destoyer Big grin



Fly one thing; Fly it well
User currently offlineDLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 6930 times:

...Yes, I seem to have found myself finally. It seems that some time ago I was pulled from a hole in the desert somewhere in Northern Iraq. There were so many cameras around and all of them were taking my picture. Then they gave me this medical exam in which I was shaven, then more pictures taken of me as my mouth was checked for suicide pills. Now I reside in a cage in Iraq.

Signed

Frank Lorenzo?

DLKAPA


User currently offlineAirframeAS From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 14150 posts, RR: 24
Reply 17, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 7 hours ago) and read 6918 times:

I believe Frank is banned from ever owning a part of whole of any commercial aviation interest in the United States.

I heard the same thing from many many many different people.



A Safe Flight Begins With Quality Maintenance On The Ground.
User currently offlineBR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 18, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6822 times:

If they were to ever make a movie, and they needed someone to play Saddam, I'm sure they would proposition him and Carl Icahn as OBL.

User currently offlineKaitak From Ireland, joined Aug 1999, 12480 posts, RR: 34
Reply 19, posted (10 years 6 months 3 weeks 2 hours ago) and read 6818 times:

If I were feeling mean, I'd say he was Passenger Services & Human Resources consultant for Ryanair.

Luckily, I'm not and besides which, FR doesn't need much help in that regard.


User currently offlineNIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 23 hours ago) and read 6725 times:

727LOVER is right, my father worked for Eastern. When the fuel prices started to skyrocket Borman knew there was no way EA could survive unless there were concessions by everyone. Pilots, FAs and machinists. Charlie Bryan was a mechanic who rose to Union President for the machinists. He was very arrogant and aloof and would in no way give in to anything. Which was a bad stance. Though I am not a fan of cutting salaries the employees had to do something or they would all be out of work. Bryan basically took a very standoff-ish position and Borman himself was irked at the fact he was being talked to the way he was by an ex-mechanic so he told Bryan either agree to the wage cuts or he would sell to Lorenzo, which we all know he did. The reason Lorenzo is viewed as the villain in the destruction of EA is his cuts were horrible. My dad was making $21 an hour, which in the early 80's was quite good. Some of the senior pilots were making upwards of $100,000 a year, Lorenzo's proposal to my dad and his co-workers was a wage cut to $10 an hour and then even less, he sat the pilots down and told them they would be cut to $30,000 a year. Not to mention cuts in break time and others. This was Lorenzo's MO. This is why you had the strike and then ultimately the airline going under since Byran was very anti-management and also the FAs and pilots honored the picket lines. Lorenzo should have played ball. He didn't and the rest is history.

User currently offlineMojo89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 123 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 22 hours ago) and read 6636 times:

MCIB757-
It would be difficult to summarize Frank Lorenzo's dealings in a brief paragraph. I'd suggest checking out "Hard Landing" by Thomas Petzinger. It's a pretty good read and will give you a thorough understanding with regard to Lorenzo, Charlie Bryan and all the other key players and events that many people in this forum are unfortunately all too well aware of.



When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -Dr. Hunter S. Thompson
User currently offlineContrails From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 1833 posts, RR: 0
Reply 22, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 21 hours ago) and read 6578 times:

There should be a website for people like Frank Lorenzo and Carl Icahn where people can find out where they are and what they are up to; not unlike sites for sex offenders.

Who else should be added?




Flying Colors Forever!
User currently offlineAerMickey From United States of America, joined Jan 2003, 85 posts, RR: 0
Reply 23, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6506 times:

Don't forget James Goodwin on that list.

Mick


User currently offlineLindy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 6 months 2 weeks 6 days 20 hours ago) and read 6476 times:

I believe that also in "Hard Landing" book they said that Frank lives in Houston suburbs and in mid 90's he was arrested for DUI. After that incident he dissapeared from the public.

Rafal  Smile


25 NIKV69 : For the sake of the entire airline industry let us hope nobody like Frank Lorenzo ever gets in a position of power of an airline.
26 Thrust : Most airlines who have had the misfortune of having Lorenzo take them over have either died from it or barely lived to see another day...CO made the m
27 SlamClick : A few years ago someone sent me an email with what purported to be a court ruling by a Baltimore judge. The gist of it was that Frank Lorenzo had been
28 MaverickM11 : If you're comparing Lorenzo to Saddam, then Dubinsky is Milosevic. C'mon Lorenzo didn't kill anyone. The comparison is absolutely insane. Both Lorenzo
29 EALSYS1 : Don't forget that f**khead Charlie Bryan also. If it hadn't been for him, Lorenzo wouldn't have even been in the picture. That was happening 15 years
30 NIKV69 : Charlie Bryan was partly to blame but he did fight for the rights of the employees. I mean Eastern was going great, but at the same time they were ser
31 EALSYS1 : NIKV69, As kids we viewed this issue from opposite sides of the aisle (so to speak). My dad was a System One employee, hence my handle here. I respect
32 MoPac : He lives in River Oaks which is in Houston, TX but has homes in Nantucket and Vail (or around Vail somewhere). Edited: Grew weary of posting his home
33 NIKV69 : Sam, No need to thank me, it was a tough time, we were lucky in that mother was an executive for TSS and my dad was lucky to get out of the airline in
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