StevenUhl777 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 3, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9352 times:
...I now live in a recently vacated cave in Afghanistan. I heard that a new airline is about to restart in Kabul, and I thought I might offer my help in running it and turning it into a clusterf--k organization like EA and CO was, but when I put in my application, the Afghans got really pissed off all of a sudden when they discovered my name, and ran me out of town. Guess news travels fast. So, I found this cave to hide out in, and have been crashing here for a while. There must be a lot of people pissed off at me, because I hear fighters flying overhead looking for my ass, and now even the Pakistanis are roaming around looking for me.
Life really sucks for me now...I wish I hadn't f---ked over all those employees back home now. Oh well, live and learn.
BR715-A1-30 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 4 hours ago) and read 9338 times:
Stevenuhl777, CLASSIC!!!!! LOL!!!
Now, really, what is this @$$hole up to? If he is living anywhere near here, I am getting the urge to fly Continental to wherever he lives, and give him a good ass kicking. If it weren't for him, EA probably would have stayed in business (At least until 9/11)
ElkGrove From United States of America, joined Jul 2003, 46 posts, RR: 3
Reply 8, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 9228 times:
Frank currently resides in Houston. Though he has kept a low profile these last several years, he has kept some links to the aviation industry. As of late last year he was the Chairman of Savoy Capital Advisors, an investment banking firm out of New York. Savoy specializes in providing financial assistance to mid sized companies.
717-200 From United States of America, joined Oct 2000, 601 posts, RR: 2
Reply 10, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 3 hours ago) and read 9180 times:
Just out of curiosity how can an individual be banned from ever owning a
part or whole of any commercial aviation interest in the US? Not that I
would ever want to see someone like him get back into this business!
Srbmod From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 12, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 9062 times:
There never was an official "ban" on Frank Lorenzo, he basically got blackballed after the whole Eastern debacle. He was up in the DC area a few years after Eastern folded, trying to start Friendship Airlines out of IAD, but could never get DOT approval to start operations.
Thrust From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 2691 posts, RR: 9
Reply 15, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 1 day 2 hours ago) and read 8989 times:
Hi everybody, I'm looking for another airline to wipe out. Looks like American doesn't need me, and United and Delta don't need my help either. JetBlue looks interesting. I love it when the stock price has the glide angle of a brick. Does anyone have Southwest's address...I want to send them a resume.
DLKAPA From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 16, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 23 hours ago) and read 8918 times:
...Yes, I seem to have found myself finally. It seems that some time ago I was pulled from a hole in the desert somewhere in Northern Iraq. There were so many cameras around and all of them were taking my picture. Then they gave me this medical exam in which I was shaven, then more pictures taken of me as my mouth was checked for suicide pills. Now I reside in a cage in Iraq.
NIKV69 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 20, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 8713 times:
727LOVER is right, my father worked for Eastern. When the fuel prices started to skyrocket Borman knew there was no way EA could survive unless there were concessions by everyone. Pilots, FAs and machinists. Charlie Bryan was a mechanic who rose to Union President for the machinists. He was very arrogant and aloof and would in no way give in to anything. Which was a bad stance. Though I am not a fan of cutting salaries the employees had to do something or they would all be out of work. Bryan basically took a very standoff-ish position and Borman himself was irked at the fact he was being talked to the way he was by an ex-mechanic so he told Bryan either agree to the wage cuts or he would sell to Lorenzo, which we all know he did. The reason Lorenzo is viewed as the villain in the destruction of EA is his cuts were horrible. My dad was making $21 an hour, which in the early 80's was quite good. Some of the senior pilots were making upwards of $100,000 a year, Lorenzo's proposal to my dad and his co-workers was a wage cut to $10 an hour and then even less, he sat the pilots down and told them they would be cut to $30,000 a year. Not to mention cuts in break time and others. This was Lorenzo's MO. This is why you had the strike and then ultimately the airline going under since Byran was very anti-management and also the FAs and pilots honored the picket lines. Lorenzo should have played ball. He didn't and the rest is history.
Mojo89 From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 123 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (12 years 1 month 3 weeks 15 hours ago) and read 8624 times:
It would be difficult to summarize Frank Lorenzo's dealings in a brief paragraph. I'd suggest checking out "Hard Landing" by Thomas Petzinger. It's a pretty good read and will give you a thorough understanding with regard to Lorenzo, Charlie Bryan and all the other key players and events that many people in this forum are unfortunately all too well aware of.
When the going gets weird, the weird turn pro. -Dr. Hunter S. Thompson