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KLM - Returning To Atlanta - Is This True?  
User currently offlineGoomba From United States of America, joined Mar 2004, 309 posts, RR: 1
Posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 3662 times:

I read this morning in another thread that KLM is planning on returning to ATL from AMS using a 767-300ER. According to the thread, this is because of NWA's new alliance with the SkyTeam.

Can anyone confirm or deny this?

I hope this is the case. It will be nice to see that baby blue livery here again.

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User currently offlineCOAB767 From Guam, joined Nov 2003, 1377 posts, RR: 9
Reply 1, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 3634 times:

That information has to be false. I just checked klm.com and cood find no reports on KL starting AMS-ATL service. Whoever wrote that last post is pulling everybodies leg.


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User currently offlineCOAB767 From Guam, joined Nov 2003, 1377 posts, RR: 9
Reply 2, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 3634 times:

That information has to be false. I just checked klm.com and could find no reports on KL starting AMS-ATL service. Whoever wrote that last post is pulling everybodies leg.


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User currently offlineNickofatlanta From Australia, joined May 2000, 1488 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 3614 times:

According to the KLM/NW downloadable timetable:

ATL-AMS
KL622 B767 1725 0805+1 daily

AMS-ATL
KL621 B767 1030 1440 daily

Appears to start end of October.


User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 4, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 3593 times:

Nickofatlanta

I think that is a code-share with Delta (DL039/038) who operate 763 on the route. Also the flight times are exactly the same.  Smile/happy/getting dizzy



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User currently offlineNickofatlanta From Australia, joined May 2000, 1488 posts, RR: 0
Reply 5, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 3569 times:

Horus -
I thought the same thing, but whilst the flight times are similar, they are not identical.


User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 6, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 3554 times:

Nickofatlanta-
I think you're right, maybe DL is changing their winter schedule on the route



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User currently offlineBestWestern From Hong Kong, joined Sep 2000, 7149 posts, RR: 57
Reply 7, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 3548 times:


It is true!!!

http://biz.yahoo.com/djus/040315/0819000408_2.html


AMSTERDAM -(Dow Jones)- KLM Royal Dutch Airlines (NYSE:KLM - News) NV , in cooperation with Northwest Airlines, will start daily roundtrip service between Amsterdam and Atlanta, Georgia, in the southern United States, at the start of the 2004/05 winter schedule on Sunday, Oct. 31, 2004, the Dutch airline said Monday.

KLM will deploy Boeing 767-300ER equipment on this route.

KLM suspended service on the Atlanta route shortly after the attacks of September 11, 2001, responding to a sharp decline in traffic. Now that the economy is recovering slightly and traffic is gaining momentum, the route has become viable once more.

In addition, Atlanta is the main hub of future SkyTeam partner Delta Air Lines. It is expected that traffic will increase sharply on the hub-to-hub connection between Amsterdam and Atlanta.

Atlanta itself is a key business center and home to enterprises such as Coca Cola and CNN. The Netherlands is one of the leading foreign investors in the state of Georgia, with major holdings in the real estate sector, among other things.



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User currently offlineDakota From Netherlands, joined Feb 2000, 148 posts, RR: 0
Reply 8, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 7 hours ago) and read 3457 times:

Yes, it is true. KLM just confirmed this news personally when I called, though it still is not published at their Corporate website.

User currently offlineFoxecho From United States of America, joined Dec 2000, 747 posts, RR: 17
Reply 9, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 5 hours ago) and read 3307 times:

Just came out on yahoo Aviation news

http://biz.yahoo.com/n/y/y0002.html

Dow Jones Business News
KLM To Resume Amsterdam-Atlanta Service In Oct
Monday March 15, 8:19 am ET


Edited Press Release
AMSTERDAM -(Dow Jones)- KLM Royal Dutch Airlines (NYSE:KLM - News) NV , in cooperation with Northwest Airlines, will start daily roundtrip service between Amsterdam and Atlanta, Georgia, in the southern United States, at the start of the 2004/05 winter schedule on Sunday, Oct. 31, 2004, the Dutch airline said Monday.

KLM will deploy Boeing 767-300ER equipment on this route.

KLM suspended service on the Atlanta route shortly after the attacks of September 11, 2001, responding to a sharp decline in traffic. Now that the economy is recovering slightly and traffic is gaining momentum, the route has become viable once more.

In addition, Atlanta is the main hub of future SkyTeam partner Delta Air Lines. It is expected that traffic will increase sharply on the hub-to-hub connection between Amsterdam and Atlanta.

Atlanta itself is a key business center and home to enterprises such as Coca Cola and CNN. The Netherlands is one of the leading foreign investors in the state of Georgia, with major holdings in the real estate sector, among other things.





..uh, we'll need that to live......
User currently offlineKLMCedric From Belgium, joined Dec 2003, 812 posts, RR: 22
Reply 10, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 3266 times:

This is true indeed. But word goes amongst colleagues that this is in exchange
for giving up the MIA route to NW again !
I'd prefer MIA to stay rather instead of ATL


User currently onlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 32777 posts, RR: 72
Reply 11, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 3225 times:

This is true indeed. But word goes amongst colleagues that this is in exchange
for giving up the MIA route to NW again !
I'd prefer MIA to stay rather instead of ATL


There had been rumours for a long time that KL would handover the MIA route back to NW when NW got more A330s. Maybe it will become true...

Though the current winter 2004/2005 schedule for MIA-AMS on KLM is 3x 767/4x MD11 through the end of December, then it becomes a daily MD11.



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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 59
Reply 12, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 4 hours ago) and read 3163 times:


What are the schedules like with KL and NW between AMS and NW's US hubs? Frequency, Aircraft Type, etc would be appreciated (please indicate when there is a code-share). I know that the KL/NW partnership is one of the oldest alliances around, dating back to the early 90s.



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User currently offlineSCRAMJET From United States of America, joined Oct 2003, 99 posts, RR: 0
Reply 13, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 3075 times:

Will AMS-MEM still run? I thought KL switched the AMS-ATL to AMS-MEM as MEM is a NW hub.

User currently offline767Lover From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 14, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 2 hours ago) and read 2985 times:

I hope this is the case. It will be nice to see that baby blue livery here again.

I agree...ATL is becoming dull, dull, dull with all the DL livery and 2-holers.


User currently offlinePW100 From Netherlands, joined Jan 2002, 2485 posts, RR: 11
Reply 15, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 2932 times:

Horus, this summer:
AMS-DTW 4x daily NW 333
AMS-MSP 2x daily NW D10, 1x daily KL M11
AMS-MEM 1x daily NW D10


Did DL already announced their winter plans for ATL-AMS and JFK-AMS?

PW100



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User currently offlineNWA Man From United States of America, joined Jun 1999, 1828 posts, RR: 12
Reply 16, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 2908 times:

Scramjet- AMS-MEM will still run as it is operated by Northwest. Don't quote me, as I'm not 100% sure on this, but I believe NW got the MEM-AMS route by giving up the IAD-AMS route to KL.

Horus- All flights between the US and AMS on NW and KL are codeshares, so I'll just break it down into which airline operates which route. These breakdowns are for the new (effective 3/28) schedule.


NW operates

2x MSP-AMS
4x DTW-AMS
1x SEA-AMS
1x BOS-AMS
and 1x MEM-AMS

KL operates (1x unless noted)

LAX-AMS
SFO-AMS
MSP-AMS
IAH-AMS (9x weekly)
JFK-AMS (11x weekly)
EWR-AMS
IAD-AMS
ORD-AMS
MIA-AMS


As usual, this is subject to change. It'd be nice to see NW operating the MIA-AMS route again as MAH4546 suggests may happen, especially if the new A330s can make an appearance in South Florida.


N-Dub



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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 17, posted (10 years 6 months 1 week 1 hour ago) and read 2891 times:

KLM has wanted to return to the ATL-AMS route - the lack of service to ATL is a major gap in its transatlantic route system. The return to ATL makes sense since KLM and DL will soon both be part of the SkyTeam family and more seats will be needed to connect these two very important hubs......as soon as all of the details are worked out, I would expect that both the DL and KL service will be codeshares. I would also expect that once the expanded SkyTeam is up and running, that KL will quickly upgrade the 763 to a larger type to increase cargo capacity on the route.

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