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Middle East Carriers In A Alliance?  
User currently offlineQIguy24 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Posted (10 years 1 month 5 days 23 hours ago) and read 2784 times:

I dont know if this topic has ben to debate before. I couldn't find it so I will stat this:

Do any of you guys/girls know if there is any middle east or south asian airline that have plans for joining an alliance?
If you see an airline like EK. they have an exellent product. Will an airline like them ever join a allaince? There must be someone who is interested to have them as members..

Regards

QIguy24

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User currently offlineKEno From Malaysia, joined Feb 2004, 1842 posts, RR: 28
Reply 1, posted (10 years 1 month 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2715 times:

MEA is joining SkyTeam very soon. There are many threads on this issue alone.

Emirates joining any alliance would be much more in the benefit of the alliance rather than EK themselves. EK plans to serve as many point-to-point longhaul services as possible. With their strategic position, they can fly almost anywhere in the world with A345 with people connecting in DXB. As much as alliances would love to have them, I doubt very much that EK would be interested.

Gulf Air i think will be made a Oneworld member one day, though I haven't heard anything about this matter. Even now, if you purchase Oneworld round-the-world ticket, you may travel on any Gulf Air routes. So that is a very clear signal for things to come.


User currently offlineQIguy24 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 2, posted (10 years 1 month 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2702 times:

Ooohhh. That's why no one has responded until now. I will suggest that this one will be deleted. I tried to search but couldn't find anything

Thanks
Thomas


User currently offlineKEno From Malaysia, joined Feb 2004, 1842 posts, RR: 28
Reply 3, posted (10 years 1 month 5 days 22 hours ago) and read 2690 times:

QIguy24,
What I meant was there are many threads about MEA joining SkyTeam. I'm sure I've read a thread about mideast carrier & alliances before but there's no harm in discussing this again if others are interested.


User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 1 month 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2680 times:

Most Middle East airlines belong to the AACO (Arab Airlines Cooperation Organisation ?), not quite an alliance, but a mechanism to organise joint purchasing of services such as ground handling and distribution - they have jointly negotiated ground handling contracts at LHR and other places, things like that.

User currently offlineStarGoldLHR From Heard and McDonald Islands, joined Feb 2004, 1529 posts, RR: 1
Reply 5, posted (10 years 1 month 5 days 21 hours ago) and read 2656 times:

Emirates FF program is quite on the fence...

One World:
British Airways
Japan Airlines

Star Alliance:
Singapore Airlines
South African Airways (it will be)
United Airlines

SkyTeam/ WorldPerks(ish)
Continental Airlines
Delta Air Lines




So far in 2008 45 flights and Gold already. JFK, IAD, LGA, SIN, HKG, NRT, AKL, PPT, LAX still to book ! Home Airport LCY
User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 60
Reply 6, posted (10 years 1 month 5 days 18 hours ago) and read 2616 times:

Most airlines in the Middle East have tried to avoid joing major alliances for the same reason others like Virgin Atlanic have. They prefer to keep their 'identity' and operate seperately without code-sharing (or at least keeping it to a minimal). Even though alliances offer benefits, some major carriers like JAL, SAA and other in the Middle East decide against them.


EGYPT: A 7,000 Year Old Civilisation
User currently offlineTs-ior From Tunisia, joined Oct 2001, 3410 posts, RR: 6
Reply 7, posted (10 years 1 month 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2555 times:


Tunisair code-shares with Air France and Royal Air Maroc.

Why not an Arab airlines alliance ?


User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 60
Reply 8, posted (10 years 1 month 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2543 times:

Ts-ior

I hope the AACO (Arab Airlines Cooperation Organisation) become an alliance



EGYPT: A 7,000 Year Old Civilisation
User currently offlineMaersk737 From Denmark, joined Feb 2004, 668 posts, RR: 1
Reply 9, posted (10 years 1 month 5 days 12 hours ago) and read 2524 times:

Horus:

What will the benefits (economic or in any other way) be for Egypt Air, if they join a Middle East Alliance ?

Cheers

Peter



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User currently offlineAirxLiban From Lebanon, joined Oct 2003, 4504 posts, RR: 54
Reply 10, posted (10 years 1 month 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2500 times:

mea to join skyteam.


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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 60
Reply 11, posted (10 years 1 month 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2498 times:

Maersk737

Well Egyptair were one of the founding members of AACO. Egyptair is geographically located in the 'heart' of the Arab World, with the Gulf to the east, North Africa to the west, Il-Sham to the north and Arab Africa to the south.

Egyptair already has a stong European and long-haul network, so CAI can be used as a feeder hub for these flights. They are planning to launch flight to Hong Kong and Houston in 2005. I think the latter will target businessmen traveling between the Texas and the oil-rich Gulf as one of its markets. In fact one of AACO's original plans was exactly this; to have local airlines time their flights into DXB and CAI to connect with long-haul EK and MS flights.



EGYPT: A 7,000 Year Old Civilisation
User currently offlineMaersk737 From Denmark, joined Feb 2004, 668 posts, RR: 1
Reply 12, posted (10 years 1 month 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2486 times:

I see your point Horus, But wouldn't it be better to join one of the existing Alliances?

I can see MEA is going for Skyteam!

Cheers

Peter




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User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 60
Reply 13, posted (10 years 1 month 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2471 times:

Maersk737

Currently MS is going through major restructuring, involving rationalising its route network (dropping some routes and increasing frequency on most of its other destinations), renewing its fleet (new A320s and A330s replacing older aircraft), overhauling its on-board services as well as deciding on whether to go for Embraer or Bombardier to order regional jets for its domestic flights (they leased 6 ATR-42/72s to use on their domestic routes and boosting frequency by 500% on some routes).

CAI, the airline's main hub has almost finished being modernised (Terminals 1 and 2 as well as the ATC system) and construction on a new terminal is expected to start in 2005. The airline's other 'hubs' are also being improved and expanded like Sharm El Sheikh, Luxor and Alexandria/Nozha.

After the changes have finished, MS will be able to offer a superior service compared to most local airlines. Maybe once this happens the airline might decide about joining one of the alliances.



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User currently offlineMaersk737 From Denmark, joined Feb 2004, 668 posts, RR: 1
Reply 14, posted (10 years 1 month 5 days 11 hours ago) and read 2454 times:

Thanks for the updates Horus.

As always you are well informed.


Cheers

Peter



I'm not proud to be a Viking, just thankfull
User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 60
Reply 15, posted (10 years 1 month 5 days 10 hours ago) and read 2428 times:

Maersk737

Absolutely no problem, and if you have any more questions just ask Big grin

Judging by your username, would you perhaps know if it true that DM will begin 2x weekly services to CAI with 737-700s?



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User currently offlineMaersk737 From Denmark, joined Feb 2004, 668 posts, RR: 1
Reply 16, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 14 hours ago) and read 2389 times:


Well they did serve Cairo from Copenhagen in 2000 - 2001, so why not ?

I have asked Maersk Air (e-mail), about these rumors you have heard, but I don't know if they will tell me anything Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Cheers

Peter



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User currently offlineSAS767 From Denmark, joined Dec 1999, 407 posts, RR: 1
Reply 17, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2338 times:

Horus,

Maersk Air intends to expand their network out of Copenhagen with 10 new routes beginning from the winter schedule 2004/2005.

Maersk Air have put name on these 10 destinations and they are as following (subject to change as they are still negotiating slots with some of the involved airports):

Berlin
Cairo
Dusseldorf
Frankfurt
Istanbul
Munich
Prague
Rome
Vienna
Zurich

Hope it helps!

Cheers
SAS767


User currently offlineHorus From Egypt, joined Feb 2004, 5230 posts, RR: 60
Reply 18, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2321 times:

SAS767

So CAI isn't just a rumour it might really happen. That's great Big grin

Do you know what sort of frequency they'll operate on the service or any other details (no matter how trivial Smile )


Maersk737

The flights between 00-01, were they scheduled or charter?



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User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 9 hours ago) and read 2307 times:

Do any of you guys/girls know if there is any middle east or south asian airline that have plans for joining an alliance?

Dear QIguy24, taking reference to the South Asian airlines:

AI might join Star Alliance some time in future. They have unilateral codesharing on some flights with LH, OS, SQ etc. (meaning, AI number on them) and are trying to expand to UA (which they had codesharing in the past) and AC. They had SK in the past, too... The recent MoU with LH is a kind of step in this direction...

Then I would suspect IC, but especially 9W (have cooperation with KL already and some others??) and S2 to commence Codesharing, too, with foreign airlines, because connectivity with Indian domestic markets is important for foreign players... this might enhance once they have more destinations apart from CMB abroad...

Reg AI, I think this should happen soon, maybe when the fleet purchase commences (or won't that be too soon?  Confused ). Although AI might not meet alliance status so far, they ARE an important partner due to the large Indian market...

Question: is there any other career "AI / IC performs flights for with" their respective flight no? I don't know anyone so far, only other way round...

other question: doesn't HY have unilateral codeshare with IC for Tashkent?


User currently offlineKEno From Malaysia, joined Feb 2004, 1842 posts, RR: 28
Reply 20, posted (10 years 1 month 4 days 4 hours ago) and read 2272 times:

Mrniji,
Pardon my ignorance as I've never flown with any Indian carriers nor have I been to India. I've heard many negative reviews about most major Indian airports (services & facilities), so why would an alliance want their passengers to change plane in a hub in India? Could sound like a bit of a culture shock if one is only familiar with the likes of Changi or Frankfurt.

Of course no other airline could match the network offered by any local carriers, but alliances could easily choose QR or GF or EK because these airlines have a huge presence in both India and Pakistan.

[Edited 2004-03-18 04:22:52]

User currently offlineMaersk737 From Denmark, joined Feb 2004, 668 posts, RR: 1
Reply 21, posted (10 years 1 month 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2241 times:

Horus:

The flights were scheduled.

Cheers

Peter



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User currently offlineMaersk737 From Denmark, joined Feb 2004, 668 posts, RR: 1
Reply 22, posted (10 years 1 month 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 2236 times:

Horus:

I've just got a mail from Maersk Air:

They are in contact with Egypt Air about scheduled flights from Copenhagen to Cairo, but nothing is decided yet.

You were right again Mr. Horus  Smile/happy/getting dizzy

Cheers

Peter



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User currently offlineJGPH1A From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 1 month 3 days 22 hours ago) and read 2226 times:

Horus - where is 'Il-Sham' ? I'm guessing the Balkans or Turkey/Caucasus, but I'd be interested to find out.

Thanks


User currently offlineMrniji From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 1 month 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 2192 times:

I've heard many negative reviews about most major Indian airports (services & facilities), so why would an alliance want their passengers to change plane in a hub in India?

KEno, in terms of airport facilities, I agree - I hate using DEL, but especially BOM 2A!!! [MAA and CCU for instance are quite neat, but small)... but Airlines are planning for the future. Every good economist will tell you that companies etc. need an effective long-term strategy to compete well. The Indian Airports are in a process of privatization and modernization and could become future gateways, keeping in mind India's position. Same is planned to happen with AI and IC in terms of privatization and modernization. In the future, they can be important players.

Then, other airlines have big presence in India, but first it is restricted by Indian civil aviation policy (they can naver use the full potential), and second, I am not sure how far the Indian Government would allow other airlines to codeshare with others on routes to India (some already do, like LH and UA).

But see the future development... India will become THE market for civil aviation, hence anticipating partnerships with AI, like Star Alliance is considering, will be an important decision...

Could I make the point clearer...? Anyone disagreeing?

Best...

[Edited 2004-03-18 17:54:29]

25 Haveric : I could see El Al figuring in well with Star. They have good connections from N. America to BKK and HKG, and there have be rumors of an alliance with
26 Yanksn4 : Dosn't El Al Israel Airlines already have a strong codeshare with American Airlines? Dosn't that make them more of a One Heathrow World member than a
27 Haveric : El Al actually has a codeshare with DL. I dont know how long that will remain, becuase DL's new partner CO connects to TLV (2x daily in summer). Howev
28 Horus : JGPH1A When we refer to Il-Sham/El-sham we mean Syria, Lebanon and Palestine. Maersk737 Thanks for keeping me updated, and I would appreciate it if yo
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