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Thai Airways Considering JFK, MIA, SFO, And ORD  
User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33177 posts, RR: 71
Posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 6239 times:

This is The Business Times Singapore:

Thai Airways revises flight schedule

(BANGKOK) Thai Airways International has revised its flight schedule, adding three new destinations while reducing travel to others to reflect demand, a company spokesman said on Friday.

Thai Airways will launch flights to Bangalore, India, starting on March 29; Jihong, China, starting March 31; and Milan, Italy, on May 1, said the spokesman. Flights between Bangkok and Tokyo will increase from 18 to 21 per week starting on March 28.

The airline will reduce the number of weekly flights from Bangkok to Los Angeles from seven to four starting March 28. Flights between Bangkok and Paris will be cut from 10 to seven per week.

The carrier terminated its Switzerland flights between Zurich and Geneva as of Feb 1, but is still flying daily from Bangkok to Zurich.

Beginning May 1, the number of flights weekly between Bangkok and London will increase by one to 13, and an additional flight on the Bangkok-Munich route will bring the total to five each week.

Thai Airways plans to begin flights to Moscow in October 2004, and is considering starting flights to New York, Chicago, San Francisco or Miami, a statement said.

Kanok Abhiradee, the airline's president, said the new changes reflect demand for business and leisure travel.
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Service to New York, Chicago, and San Francsico, cool. Though Miami? I was shocked they are even considering it. For Miami's benefit, our Asian community is very small, but Thai's represent the second largest group, and the wealthiest group. Though still, very odd. I would assume Thai would hope to make money on Miami service mainly on the Europe-Miami leg they operate the flight on. I'm not going to hold by breath for this one, but Thai at Miami would be cool.



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User currently onlineLambertMan From United States of America, joined Aug 2003, 2081 posts, RR: 36
Reply 1, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 6135 times:

Considering there isn't NRT service at the moment, (direct 772 this summer though right?) it would surprise me as well. MIA is a strong market though, FinnAir is the latest testament and we'll see how strong it is if they do decide on MIA.

User currently offlineThe777Man From United States of America, joined Jul 1999, 6637 posts, RR: 55
Reply 2, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 6118 times:

I think they probably will start service to JFK or ORD first; NYC has a lot of traffic to Thailand including business travel and ORD is a big city too and of course a big hub for United Airlines, their US Star Alliance partner.

I'm also surprised that they mentioned MIA at all. We'll see what happens.

The777Man



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User currently offlineJeffrysky From Singapore, joined Feb 2004, 178 posts, RR: 0
Reply 3, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 6112 times:

Does any Asian airline operate its own equipment to Miami at the moment ?? I can't think of any ..

it's usually the north asian carriers , rather than south-east asian carriers , that offer the widest connections into the US. so for thai to operate a route into the States that is not offered by JAL , ANA or KAL , is quite a stunner.


User currently offlineConcordeBoy From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 4, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 6060 times:

Though I sincerely doubt it... perhaps TG could inaugurate the much-pined-for NRT-MIA  Big grin

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33177 posts, RR: 71
Reply 5, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 6045 times:

Does any Asian airline operate its own equipment to Miami at the moment ?? I can't think of any ..

Yup. El Al Israel Airlines operates to Miami twice a week. 777s on Tuesdays and 744s on Thursdays.

China Airlines operates cargo service between Miami and Taipei via Anchorage. I believe it is 3x a week.

There is definitley a market for a non-stop to Tokyo a few times a week (3-4). Miami is now the largest US metro without non-stops to Tokyo (and before people show me 2000 Census figures, I remind you that in 2003, the US Census divised new metropolitan area boundries, rules, etc. Miami is now #6). However, it still needs some feed. It is best left to LanChile/American Airlines. I would love to see Thai give it a shot, it has potential.

[Edited 2004-03-16 18:59:34]


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User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 6, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 6022 times:

Well, is that was added new service to MIA, JFK, ORD & SFO. I think that would be good for Thai Airways and will direct one-stop in Europe or Asia.

User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8562 posts, RR: 10
Reply 7, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 6014 times:

If they were to operate to MIA from some one of their cities in Europe like MAD, MUC, LHR, CPH, ARN, I can see that working pretty well.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33177 posts, RR: 71
Reply 8, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 4 days ago) and read 5982 times:

If they were to operate to MIA from some one of their cities in Europe like MAD, MUC, LHR, CPH, ARN, I can see that working pretty well.

I agree, any of them can work very well, and they can slap a partners codeshare on all of them. MAD, CPH, or ARN could work best. MAD is a big O&D market, and AA/IB controls it all. JK could also codeshare. Miami's only non-stops to Scandanvia are Finnair's HEL flights, which are very popular. ARN/CPH could work, and SK would gladly codeshare. MUC is already served by Lufthansa and, starting in May, LTU. LHR would present problems, as in air treaty issues and slots.



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User currently offlineScottysAir From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 9, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 23 hours ago) and read 5882 times:

I agree with MAH4546

User currently offlineVulindlela744 From United States of America, joined Jan 2000, 525 posts, RR: 0
Reply 10, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 21 hours ago) and read 5761 times:

This is very interesting news for us South Floridians. I for one would love to see a non stop to Asia from Mia. There would also be a market because alot of Brazilians fly to Tokyo. Brazil has a huge population of Japanese that live in Sao Paulo. They could fly to MIA with Varig (Star Alliance) and take Thai to NRT from MIA. It would cut time off from going to LAX and then connecting to NRT. Let's keep our fingers crossed.

User currently offlineThaiAggie From United States of America, joined Feb 2004, 230 posts, RR: 0
Reply 11, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 20 hours ago) and read 5713 times:

Wow. That's surprised me too. I could see JFK,ORD and SFO but MIA??? But again this is THAI we are talking so we'll have to wait and see what's gonna happen. Big grin

Remember about service to Oslo? What happened to that?...nothing. Anyway, I wish TG comes back to DFW but I doubt it.




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User currently offlineDutchjet From Netherlands, joined Oct 2000, 7864 posts, RR: 57
Reply 12, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 18 hours ago) and read 5600 times:

Thai opening a MIA-AA), Japan">NRT-BKK flight could be a very interesting move; as pointed out above, MIA is lacking a nonstop flight to Tokyo; the potential is there: MIA and south Florida is the home to many banks and businesses plus all of that tourist traffic, not to mention that travelling from South America to Japan via MIA could be developed.

Off topic: there were rumors that AA was looking very closely at introducing a MIA-Tokyo service with 777s - anyone have any news about this? I find it odd that AA is attempting JFK-AA), Japan">NRT and LAX-AA), Japan">NRT (so much competition on these routes) while ignoring MIA-AA), Japan">NRT which is wide open at the moment.....especially when considering AA's huge hug operation at AA.


User currently offlineDB777 From United States of America, joined Apr 2001, 885 posts, RR: 43
Reply 13, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5502 times:
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Why would anyone in Sao Paulo fly to MIA or LAX to get to Narita when Japan Airlines serves the NRT/GRU/NRT route direct at least twice a week and maybe more per week with B747-400's?

This is the old JAL DC8 route that used to stop at MIA twice a week for fuel and when they obtained B747-400's they eliminated the fuel stop at MIA.



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User currently offlineBehramjee From Canada, joined Aug 2003, 4824 posts, RR: 44
Reply 14, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5484 times:

Its very simple ORD is a HUGE UAL hub and so is SFO on a smaller scale.

JFK will be mainly because NYC area mkt is v imp for all airlines and MIA as a gateway to Latin America though I dont see any big time traffic on this MIA route for TG.

But yeah i would definitely bet on SFO and ORD...esp ORD as from ORD, UAL can take you virtually anywhere in North America nonstop.


User currently offlineMIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 15, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 14 hours ago) and read 5433 times:

woudln't it make more sense geographically at least to fly from Sao Paulo to LA, then on to Tokyo instead of Sao Paulo-Miami-Tokyo?

Yes as MAH4546 said the only Asian airline servicing Miami is China Airlines. This is only a cargo flight though, and the planes are actually leased by Atlas air (so it's not their own planes)

Regarding EL AL I don't think Israelis consider themselves Asian  Big grin That's the middle east and more European than Asian


User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33177 posts, RR: 71
Reply 16, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 3 days 13 hours ago) and read 5396 times:

Why would anyone in Sao Paulo fly to MIA or LAX to get to Narita when Japan Airlines serves the NRT/GRU/NRT route direct at least twice a week and maybe more per week with B747-400's?


JAL's NRT-GRU flights stop in LAX or JFK, depending on the day of the week.

though I dont see any big time traffic on this MIA route for TG.

I do. They'd fill the plane easily. Though it would be still be a risk. SFO, ORD, and JFK are safer bets.

woudln't it make more sense geographically at least to fly from Sao Paulo to LA, then on to Tokyo instead of Sao Paulo-Miami-Tokyo?


Nope. NRT-GRU via Miami is 11509nm. NRT-GRU via Los Angeles is 98nm longer at 11607.

Regarding EL AL I don't think Israelis consider themselves Asian That's the middle east and more European than Asian

Doesn't really matter what they consider themselves. Israel is in the Middle East. The Middle East is in Asia. Therefore, El Al is an Asian airline. Simple as that.






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User currently offlineMIAMIx707 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 17, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 9 hours ago) and read 5193 times:

Israel is in the middle of Europe and Asia. El Al is not considered an Asian airline, but Middle Eastern or if anything else, European (I know u know a lot) but maybe your geography is kinda off. And at least from a map, MIA is further east than LAX from NRT.

The typical israeli doesn't have Asian features, if I was from there and u told me that I'm Asian I would let you know you are a moron, simple as that.


User currently offlineVadheim From Norway, joined Jul 2000, 623 posts, RR: 0
Reply 18, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5159 times:

Thai was supposed to start operations from Bangkok to Oslo via Copenhagen 3 times a week effective from 04.01.04. They never started the service even though it was advertised in media here in Norway. However according to this article from Bangkok Times it seems like they still plan to start a service in the future using A340-600  Smile

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From Bangkok Times 12th. March 2004:

National carrier may replace 20 money-losing routes
Thai Airways International Plc (THAI) is overhauling its international flight schedule by suspending traditional money-losing flights including the Bangkok-Los Angeles route via Narita and introducing more promising destinations.

Some 20 loss-making routes could be cut as services to Moscow, Milan and Bangalore are due to start next month.

Suthep Suebsantiwong, the airline's executive vice-president for commercial affairs, said the national carrier had lost about 700 million baht a year on the Bangkok-Narita-Los Angeles route because of heavy competition and reduced travel by Thais since the events of Sept 11, 2001. The flights will be suspended at the end of this month.

However, the airline plans to increase its Bangkok-Osaka-Los Angeles flights from three to four a week.

Aircraft formerly on the Los Angeles route through Narita will be shifted to higher frequency Bangkok-Tokyo flights, one of its most profitable routes.

THAI also stopped flying to Zurich and Geneva earlier this month.

At the same time, it will terminate daytime flights to Paris next month and the aircraft capacity will be used to increase flights to London and Munich.

With the delivery of two Airbus 340-500 ultra-long haul aircraft in March or April next year, THAI will begin to offer new non-stop flights to New York, Chicago or San Francisco, said Chaiwat Chanapai, vice-president for sales and distribution.

The two new jets will be used to provide six flights a week to the second US destination and in October next year, a third A 340-500 will start offering three flights a week to the third US city.

Another A340-600 to be delivered in June or July next year is expected to serve secondary routes in Europe such as Amsterdam, Oslo or Vienna.

The airline is also looking at adding flights to South and Central America with non-stop services to Rio de Janeiro, Mexico City or Sao Paolo next year.

The route restructuring is expected to help improve profits for the national carrier by two billion baht this year.

For the current fiscal year ending on Sept 30, THAI expects to generate 150 billion baht in revenue with 20 billion baht in pre-tax profit, said Mr Suthep. Last year, it earned 18 billion baht in profit on revenue of 130 billion.

THAI shares closed yesterday on the Stock Exchange of Thailand at 59.50 baht, down 1.50 baht, in trade worth 153.3 million baht.


User currently offlineRoberta From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 19, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 7 hours ago) and read 5148 times:

Israel is in the middle of Europe and Asia.

what?

Isreal is in asia like seattle is in usa and vancouver is in canada.Turkey and Russia are the only two countries in both continents.
okay maybe in aviation isreal is often catigorized in the european market but its still in asia.
if you asked an isreali what continent he was from he would say asia.


User currently offlineUnited Airline From Hong Kong, joined Jan 2001, 9191 posts, RR: 15
Reply 20, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 6 hours ago) and read 5084 times:

Does TG have enough aircraft? What aircraft do they plan to use?

User currently offlineAirbazar From United States of America, joined Sep 2003, 8562 posts, RR: 10
Reply 21, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4987 times:

I know this is way off topic but regardless of what Israelis think of themselves, geographically Israel is an Asian country but politically they are European, or should I say, aligned with Europe. There is no such thing as a Middle East continent.

User currently offlineMAH4546 From Sweden, joined Jan 2001, 33177 posts, RR: 71
Reply 22, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 3 hours ago) and read 4961 times:

And at least from a map, MIA is further east than LAX from NRT.

Yes, it is. Though it is still shorter to fly GRU-NRT via MIA. It is nothing more than simple addition:

GRU-MIA=4072mi
MIA-NRT=7437mi
=11509mi

GRU-LAX=6156mi
LAX-NRT=5451mi
=11607mi

Israel is in the middle of Europe and Asia. El Al is not considered an Asian airline, but Middle Eastern or if anything else, European (I know u know a lot) but maybe your geography is kinda off.

The typical israeli doesn't have Asian features, if I was from there and u told me that I'm Asian I would let you know you are a moron, simple as that.


The only that looks like a moron right now is you. El Al is an Asian airline. Israel is in Asia. The fact that the typical Israeli does not have Asian features does not matter. It does not change the fact that Israel is in Asia. What you are saying is ridiculous, and makes you sound quite ignorant. Is Egypt, where most of the people are of Arabic descent, not in Africa? Is South Africa, which has a large white community, not in Africa?

You are the only one sounding like an idiot.



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User currently offlineHeisan67 From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 23, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4938 times:

Another A340-600 to be delivered in June or July next year is expected to serve secondary routes in Europe such as Amsterdam, Oslo or Vienna.

Yes Thai is considering Oslo as destination they would like to start service to in the near future.
And when SAS now is cutting the number of flights from CPH to BKK a Thai route from Oslo is even more likely to become reality.


User currently offlinePera From , joined Dec 1969, posts, RR:
Reply 24, posted (10 years 8 months 1 week 2 days 2 hours ago) and read 4920 times:

I have also heard they want to increase their ARN-BKK service from 4 to 5x weekly!

25 Vulindlela744 : Well said MAH4546!!!! Those are my sentiments exactly.
26 Lufthansa747 : How about BKK-HEL-OSL? Norway is not in the EU, so probably TG could get local traffic rights as well... 772 or A330 would probably be the right sized
27 Peteinmiami : MIA Is lacking of that non stop connection to Asia, and lately I see a lot of tourists with Asian features around Miami, and there is a lot of busines
28 Skyguy : TG has ALWAYS had rights to fly LHR to JFK and still do. This was as per a TG Station Manager in LHR who I knew a few years ago. They did not fly the
29 SingaporeFA : I think its most likely NYC.If SQ couldnt make it in ORD i wonder what are the odds Thai can.I actually wonder why SQ couldnt turn a profit on its ORD
30 Post contains links and images MAH4546 : Yes as MAH4546 said the only Asian airline servicing Miami is China Airlines. This is only a cargo flight though, and the planes are actually leased b
31 Ex_SQer : If SQ couldnt make it in ORD i wonder what are the odds Thai can.I actually wonder why SQ couldnt turn a profit on its ORD flights.Was it because of t
32 PA110 : They often appoint people from head office to manage sales abroad. From what I understand, the LAX appointees tend to be motivated by politics rather
33 THAIlover : JFK has always been dream for THAI. It has been in proposal years before but it never happened because they had problem with the slot.(that what I hea
34 Skyguy : ""JFK has always been dream for THAI. It has been in proposal years before but it never happened because they had problem with the slot.(that what I h
35 Post contains images Miamix707 : to MAH and all your other geeky friends Airbazar wrote: There is no such thing as a middle east continent There ya go, you payed attention in middle s
36 Wilco : Again, get a map buddy Israel is right next to Egypt; in fact they share a border and yes Egypt is in Africa not Asia. Some facts for your from someon
37 Zonks : Jihong, China? Huh? Has anyone ever heard of this place? I did a search on Google and didn't find this place and airlinecodes.co.uk doesn't have a rec
38 Post contains links MAH4546 : Again, get a map buddy Israel is right next to Egypt; in fact they share a border and yes Egypt is in Africa not Asia. So, let me get this straight, C
39 Miamix707 : Wilco -funny name by the way You are trying to make fun of someone that used to know all the world's countries and their respective capitals. Look I k
40 MAH4546 : It's funny. Instead of acknowledging the fact that you were incorrect, as proven to you in various posts, such as the one right above yours, you go ah
41 Miamix707 : Man I gotta find something better to do with my time now that i'm on spring break. Other than fighting off these nerd advances.. MAH4546 just give it
42 MIAMIx707 : Looking at some maps here and yes Israel is on the westernmost part of the Asian continent. For some reason I wasn't associating Israel with Asia. But
43 Vulindlela744 : Hey boys and girls.......let's get back on the subject. We all know Israel is in Asia. That is just the fact. Just because the Israeli people don't ha
44 Wilco : Miami707... glad you came around finally. Your mistake brings up a really good point thought: CONTINENTS are probably the crappiest way of defining a
45 PA110 : Attn Miamix707 & Wilco, The topic is TG opening up new routes to the USA. If you don't have anything to contribute to the topic, then take your Israel
46 Wilco : Sorry PA110 but this is a discussion board. Discussions have sidebars and wander sometimes. I don't have anything to contribute but I do have a questi
47 Post contains links and images KEno : I think we can all agree that we had enough Israel geography lessons for today   Jihong, China? Huh? Has anyone ever heard of this place? I did a sea
48 MIAMIx707 : PA110... your kinda late on the thread anyways... Wilco I agree continents are a poor way of defining a country's location. For example Mexico is cons
49 PA110 : Wilco, I think your question was answered in reply #18. TG appears to be placing orders for A340-500 and A340-600 series aircraft from what others hav
50 MIAMIx707 : I also have a question, I wonder if TG would use the Airbuses or the 777s for this type of routes. In the case of the 777 I would love to see the 777-
51 Wilco : I assume Jihong is actually Jinghong JHG (also Xixongpanna) I've been to this city and it has an enormous Thai population so it makes sense for Thai A
52 MAH4546 : Wilco I agree continents are a poor way of defining a country's location. For example Mexico is considered to be part of North America yet a big part
53 Gigneil : Get the continents discussion out of here. Now. I don't give a shit when I got here in the thread. This is a thread about TG and some US destinations,
54 ThaiAggie : The airline is also looking at adding flights to South and Central America with non-stop services to Rio de Janeiro, Mexico City or Sao Paolo next yea
55 FITPilot : Jinghong or Sipsongbanna is the center of the ethnic Dai people in China. Thais are descendents of this group. Their languages and traditions are simi
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